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Aug 8, 2017 10:26:39   #
phlash46 Loc: Westchester County, New York
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Another report has confirmed that climate change is occurring and that human activity is responsible. These studies go back to the 1970s, but very little has been done to deal with the problem - and it is a problem. Even the US military is concerned about the effects of climate change. Initially, critics of such reports claimed that climate change was nonsense. Now, many of them admit that it is real, but they deny that human activity is the cause. Their fear is that trying to stop global warming would cut into the income of billionaires in the oil industry.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/07/climate/climate-change-drastic-warming-trump.html
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Don't bother Jerry. Arguing with dingbats is a waste of time.

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Aug 8, 2017 11:44:27   #
pixbyjnjphotos Loc: Apache Junction,AZ
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Another report has confirmed that climate change is occurring and that human activity is responsible. These studies go back to the 1970s, but very little has been done to deal with the problem - and it is a problem. Even the US military is concerned about the effects of climate change. Initially, critics of such reports claimed that climate change was nonsense. Now, many of them admit that it is real, but they deny that human activity is the cause. Their fear is that trying to stop global warming would cut into the income of billionaires in the oil industry.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/07/climate/climate-change-drastic-warming-trump.html
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FAKE News!!!!

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Aug 8, 2017 12:56:23   #
blue-ultra Loc: New Hampshire
 
advocate1982 wrote:
Here is a secret about official reports - they always say what the person paying for the report wants them to say. You always need to go back to the terms of reference that the report was created under. For a local example. We have a small river here in our semi-arid part of the plains. The government commissioned a report to determine just how much land in the area could be irrigated. assuming an unlimited supply of water. It was 100's of thousands of acres, and it had all the farmers wide eyed and tongue drolling over all that prospected land that is only good enough to raise cows on, becoming a rich paradise under irrigation, if we just built the dam. Here's the catch - that unlimited supply of water doesn't exist. In another report (god forbid you put facts together in a single report) you have the actual capacity of the dam. No where in that report does it mention how many acres can be irrigated. To get that number you have to go back to the first report - and then do the math with the actual amount of water that could be supplied by the damn.

The result - those 100's of thousands of acres actually come down to a little over 10,000 acres and that was with a total yearly draw down on the dam. That means that it would fill up to be a lake in the spring, but by the end of summer, it would be empty. Then you take out a map, and look at where that land is, and who owns it. Would you be surprised to learn - it was owned by the very politician pushing for the creation of the dam?

But there were more reports - one dealing with the potential for recreational use of the dam. We have boating, and fishing, and swimming, and all sorts of potential. Again the terms of reference for the report specifically said, to assume that the dam would be at full volume all of the time. Well that 100% draw down of the dam from irrigation would give you a body of water that varied by 90 vertical feet through the year. So those boat docks that are at the edge of the water when full, are nothing but mud flats by the middle of the summer.

It goes on and on. Each repot being accurate in relation to its terms of reference - but a total pile of shit when looked at in totality.

The point - climate change is nothing but a bunch of useless reports that don't deal with all of the facts in totality. Just follow the money to who is commission the reports and why. Yes, the climate changes - it has been changing for billions of years. We are still coming out of the last ice age, and if history repeats itself we will be going back into another ice age at some point in the future. Man has nothing to do with any of it, and there is nothing that man can do to change it. Pollution and climate change are not equal, and one does not cause the other.

Examples of inaccuracy's of the report are evident right in the first paragraph. Where it states that average temperatures have risen rapidly and drastically since 1980. That alarming statement - right at the start of the report - can be easily proven false by a Grade 5 science class. Where I live, I have a neighbour that has been recording the daily weather since 1908 when the grandfather first moved onto the homestead. That is over 100 years of records from one spot. And it doesnt' take much effort to see that the local weather follows a 30 year cycle, and that temperatures today have not increased rapidly and drastically since the 80's.

All you need to do is go back to when Gore made his onerous predictions of what the world would look like today - to realize just how full of shit his predictions were. But he continues making them because he makes 10's of millions of dollars from pushing the whole climate change story.

Much of the predictions are based on computer models where the model is flawed in some basic forms, and the predictions from the models have never been corretct. Which is what happens when you feed garbage into a computer - you get garbage out.

And again just picking from this story - they are quoating a political science professor - what the fuck does she actually know about weather. It is just more proof that the whole thing is politically motivated for a political conclusion. Not a scientific conclusion.
Here is a secret about official reports - they alw... (show quote)



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Aug 8, 2017 13:02:56   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
Nalu wrote:
I have no doubt climate changes. It has continually changed over geological and recent history. Why would expect it not to. But to attribute it all to human activity and think that anything the human race can do to alter the climate is so characteristic egocentric liberals. I get sick of it.


And the moon shot was faked.

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Aug 8, 2017 13:16:45   #
Wellhiem Loc: Sunny England.
 
rpavich wrote:
Bunk.

Bunk.

Bunk.

Yawn.


I don't think you can grow a new head in the sand.

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Aug 8, 2017 13:38:54   #
will47 Loc: Indianapolis, IN
 
advocate1982 wrote:
Here is a secret about official reports - they always say what the person paying for the report wants them to say. You always need to go back to the terms of reference that the report was created under. For a local example. We have a small river here in our semi-arid part of the plains. The government commissioned a report to determine just how much land in the area could be irrigated. assuming an unlimited supply of water. It was 100's of thousands of acres, and it had all the farmers wide eyed and tongue drolling over all that prospected land that is only good enough to raise cows on, becoming a rich paradise under irrigation, if we just built the dam. Here's the catch - that unlimited supply of water doesn't exist. In another report (god forbid you put facts together in a single report) you have the actual capacity of the dam. No where in that report does it mention how many acres can be irrigated. To get that number you have to go back to the first report - and then do the math with the actual amount of water that could be supplied by the damn.

The result - those 100's of thousands of acres actually come down to a little over 10,000 acres and that was with a total yearly draw down on the dam. That means that it would fill up to be a lake in the spring, but by the end of summer, it would be empty. Then you take out a map, and look at where that land is, and who owns it. Would you be surprised to learn - it was owned by the very politician pushing for the creation of the dam?

But there were more reports - one dealing with the potential for recreational use of the dam. We have boating, and fishing, and swimming, and all sorts of potential. Again the terms of reference for the report specifically said, to assume that the dam would be at full volume all of the time. Well that 100% draw down of the dam from irrigation would give you a body of water that varied by 90 vertical feet through the year. So those boat docks that are at the edge of the water when full, are nothing but mud flats by the middle of the summer.

It goes on and on. Each repot being accurate in relation to its terms of reference - but a total pile of shit when looked at in totality.

The point - climate change is nothing but a bunch of useless reports that don't deal with all of the facts in totality. Just follow the money to who is commission the reports and why. Yes, the climate changes - it has been changing for billions of years. We are still coming out of the last ice age, and if history repeats itself we will be going back into another ice age at some point in the future. Man has nothing to do with any of it, and there is nothing that man can do to change it. Pollution and climate change are not equal, and one does not cause the other.

Examples of inaccuracy's of the report are evident right in the first paragraph. Where it states that average temperatures have risen rapidly and drastically since 1980. That alarming statement - right at the start of the report - can be easily proven false by a Grade 5 science class. Where I live, I have a neighbour that has been recording the daily weather since 1908 when the grandfather first moved onto the homestead. That is over 100 years of records from one spot. And it doesnt' take much effort to see that the local weather follows a 30 year cycle, and that temperatures today have not increased rapidly and drastically since the 80's.

All you need to do is go back to when Gore made his onerous predictions of what the world would look like today - to realize just how full of shit his predictions were. But he continues making them because he makes 10's of millions of dollars from pushing the whole climate change story.

Much of the predictions are based on computer models where the model is flawed in some basic forms, and the predictions from the models have never been corretct. Which is what happens when you feed garbage into a computer - you get garbage out.

And again just picking from this story - they are quoating a political science professor - what the fuck does she actually know about weather. It is just more proof that the whole thing is politically motivated for a political conclusion. Not a scientific conclusion.
Here is a secret about official reports - they alw... (show quote)


Politicians are vile, slimy, corrupt, immoral creatures. Every one of them.

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Aug 9, 2017 07:34:55   #
richosob Loc: Lambertville, MI
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Another report has confirmed that climate change is occurring and that human activity is responsible. These studies go back to the 1970s, but very little has been done to deal with the problem - and it is a problem. Even the US military is concerned about the effects of climate change. Initially, critics of such reports claimed that climate change was nonsense. Now, many of them admit that it is real, but they deny that human activity is the cause. Their fear is that trying to stop global warming would cut into the income of billionaires in the oil industry.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/07/climate/climate-change-drastic-warming-trump.html
Another report has confirmed that climate change i... (show quote)


Pure bullcrap.

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Aug 9, 2017 07:51:27   #
Texcaster Loc: Queensland
 
Enjoy your fossil and whoop it up while you can snowflakes. Economics and technology always win. In thirty years people will wonder what the big change over panic was all about.

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Aug 9, 2017 08:04:39   #
FrumCA
 
Nalu wrote:
I have no doubt climate changes. It has continually changed over geological and recent history. Why would expect it not to. But to attribute it all to human activity and think that anything the human race can do to alter the climate is so characteristic egocentric liberals. I get sick of it.


Excellent. A very logical conclusion indeed.

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Aug 9, 2017 10:21:12   #
Ira
 
This link shows the how industrialization has effected the earth's atmosphere. The effect has been expedetial since the late 1800s. You can find this information for yourself at many resources. Research it.

https://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/climatescience/greenhousegases/industrialrevolution.html

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Aug 9, 2017 11:29:14   #
DavidJon Loc: Ada, Oklahoma
 
Nalu wrote:
I have no doubt climate changes. It has continually changed over geological and recent history. Why would expect it not to. But to attribute it all to human activity and think that anything the human race can do to alter the climate is so characteristic egocentric liberals. I get sick of it.

“Climate change” an appallingly stupid euphemism. The climate is always changing. The environmentalists are the real climate-change “deniers” because they basically want global temperatures to maintain absolute static relative to 1970—not coincidentally the point at which environmentalists first began paying any attention to the issue.

Earth's climate may be the single most complex thing we've ever studied. Tens of thousands, possibly millions, of variables, all interacting in countless ways including countless feedback loops. Utterly unknown upper-atmosphere processes. Equally unknown oceanographic effects. And the climate "scientists" want to pretend all that damn-near-infinite complexity doesn't exist and claim it's all about CO2.

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Aug 9, 2017 11:32:51   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
DavidJon wrote:
“Climate change” an appallingly stupid euphemism. The climate is always changing. The environmentalists are the real climate-change “deniers” because they basically want global temperatures to maintain absolute static relative to 1970—not coincidentally the point at which environmentalists first began paying any attention to the issue.

Earth's climate may be the single most complex thing we've ever studied. Tens of thousands, possibly millions, of variables, all interacting in countless ways including countless feedback loops. Utterly unknown upper-atmosphere processes. Equally unknown oceanographic effects. And the climate "scientists" want to pretend all that damn-near-infinite complexity doesn't exist and claim it's all about CO2.
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Does everything you can't comprehend "not exist" in your mind?

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Aug 9, 2017 20:14:13   #
Texcaster Loc: Queensland
 
This is only local weather and anecdotal, in one of South East Queensland's warmest winters on record. We should be having bitter cold "westerlies" now. 0c. is freezing, 28c is approximately 82f. Wednesday 16 August Summary Min 14 Max 30!

Bureau Home > Australia > Queensland > Forecasts > Brisbane Forecast

Brisbane Forecast

No warnings for Queensland

Forecast issued at 4:50 am EST on Thursday 10 August 2017.
Forecast for the rest of Thursday
SummaryMax 26Sunny.Possible rainfall: 0 mmChance of any rain: 0%
Brisbane area
Sunny. The chance of light frost in the west early this morning. Light winds becoming north to northeasterly 15 to 20 km/h in the evening then becoming light in the late evening.
Fire Danger - High
Sun protection recommended from 9:30 am to 2:30 pm, UV Index predicted to reach 6 [High]
7 day Town Forecasts
Precis Icon Location Min Max
Sunny. Brisbane – 26
Sunny. Brisbane Airport – 24
Sunny. Beaudesert – 26
Sunny. Chermside – 25
Light morning frost. Sunny. Gatton – 27
Light morning frost. Sunny. Ipswich – 27
Sunny. Logan Central – 25
Sunny. Manly – 23
Sunny. Mount Gravatt – 25
Sunny. Oxley – 26
Sunny. Redcliffe – 24
Friday 11 August
SummaryMin 10Max 29Sunny.Possible rainfall: 0 mmChance of any rain: 0%
Brisbane area
Sunny. Light winds becoming north to northeasterly 15 to 20 km/h in the late afternoon then becoming light in the evening.
Sun protection recommended from 9:30 am to 2:30 pm, UV Index predicted to reach 6 [High]
Saturday 12 August
SummaryMin 12Max 29Sunny.Possible rainfall: 0 mmChance of any rain: 0%
Brisbane area
Sunny. Light winds.
Sun protection recommended from 9:50 am to 2:10 pm, UV Index predicted to reach 5 [Moderate]
Sunday 13 August
SummaryMin 11Max 27Sunny.Possible rainfall: 0 mmChance of any rain: 0%
Brisbane area
Sunny. Light winds.
Sun protection recommended from 9:30 am to 2:30 pm, UV Index predicted to reach 6 [High]
Monday 14 August
SummaryMin 11Max 27Sunny.Possible rainfall: 0 mmChance of any rain: 5%
Brisbane area
Sunny. Light winds becoming northeast to southeasterly 15 to 20 km/h during the day.
Tuesday 15 August
SummaryMin 13Max 29Sunny.Possible rainfall: 0 mmChance of any rain: 5%
Brisbane area
Sunny. Light winds becoming north to northeasterly 15 to 20 km/h during the day.
Wednesday 16 August
SummaryMin 14Max 30Sunny.Possible rainfall: 0 mmChance of any rain: 5%
Brisbane area
Sunny. Light winds becoming north to northeasterly 15 to 20 km/h during the day.
The next routine forecast will be issued at 4:20 pm EST Thursday.
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Aug 10, 2017 02:10:07   #
drainbamage
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Another report has confirmed that climate change is occurring and that human activity is responsible. These studies go back to the 1970s, but very little has been done to deal with the problem - and it is a problem. Even the US military is concerned about the effects of climate change. Initially, critics of such reports claimed that climate change was nonsense. Now, many of them admit that it is real, but they deny that human activity is the cause. Their fear is that trying to stop global warming would cut into the income of billionaires in the oil industry.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/07/climate/climate-change-drastic-warming-trump.html
Another report has confirmed that climate change i... (show quote)


Who ever said that climate change does not happen? It's been happening since the beginning of the earth. Yesterday the climate changed. Tomorrow it will too.

It's called WEATHER. And it's only a problem if you think shoveling snow is a problem..or not having an umbrella, or getting a sunburn.

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Aug 10, 2017 02:15:22   #
pixbyjnjphotos Loc: Apache Junction,AZ
 
Here is another article on the CO2 relationship to global warming and climate change.

http://conservativetribune.com/global-warming-destroyed/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=PostBottomSharingButtons&utm_content=2017-07-26&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons

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