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Aug 4, 2017 17:22:11   #
Kissel vonKeister Loc: Georgia
 
CatMarley wrote:
That doctor was finally allowed to examine the child after 7 months of litigation. Had he been treated at the beginning, before his brain had been allowed to deteriorate, stem cell therapy may have saved him. The State DID kill him!
C. Marley, M.D.

So you make the case that it was the lawyers who bore the responsibility for the child's death and your conclusion is that the Crown killed him? I await the logical path behind that train of thought.

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Aug 4, 2017 17:26:10   #
CatMarley Loc: North Carolina
 
Kissel vonKeister wrote:
Thank you for your highly emotional clarity, Dr Ignore List. People sure like to argue on here, don't they?

I cited litigation that began in November of last year over having a second opinion from specialists in the USA. How is that fact "emotional"? I guess the Pope is also overly "emotional" since he too offered an alternative. I stated facts, YOU chose to argue with me, beginning, not with facts but with a sarcastic jibe ("emotional clarity"). When the State can order the death of a child against the wishes of parents after having prevented the parents from obtaining alternative treatment until that child is beyond help, the State has become a tyrant.

This PC legislation is also tyrannical in its intent and scope as described by the OP, and it signals a very dark direction in the UK!

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Aug 4, 2017 17:35:49   #
Kissel vonKeister Loc: Georgia
 
CatMarley wrote:
I cited litigation that began in November of last year over having a second opinion from specialists in the USA. How is that fact "emotional"? I guess the Pope is also overly "emotional" since he too offered an alternative. I stated facts, YOU chose to argue with me, beginning, not with facts but with a sarcastic jibe ("emotional clarity"). When the State can order the death of a child against the wishes of parents after having prevented the parents from obtaining alternative treatment until that child is beyond help, the State has become a tyrant.

This PC legislation is also tyrannical in its intent and scope as described by the OP, and it signals a very dark direction in the UK!
I cited litigation that began in November of last ... (show quote)


I didn't intend sarcasm, but I felt the phrase about the State killing a child was driven by emotion more than any other element. It was a knee-jerk sort of statement. Oh yeah, Pope Frankie is emotional too - sticks his nose in everywhere it doesn't belong. Do you think his efforts helped Trump get elected? So don't you think the lawyers made a mess of that situation - or at least contributed?

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Aug 4, 2017 17:37:28   #
CatMarley Loc: North Carolina
 
Kissel vonKeister wrote:
So you make the case that it was the lawyers who bore the responsibility for the child's death and your conclusion is that the Crown killed him? I await the logical path behind that train of thought.


Whatever coalition of people who decided to prevent the parents from obtaining the care they wanted for their child and holding him by force of law until he was beyond the possibility of treatment, and the legal and governmental agencies that enforced that decision, were responsible for his death. The genetic defect killed him, but while rescue was possible, the forced delay was equally responsible. If a child were drowning, and people restrained his parents who wanted to rescue him, until he was gone, yes, the water killed him, but so did those who held back the rescue.

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Aug 4, 2017 17:52:10   #
chasgroh Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
AlfredU wrote:
Hey, Bill, I know you don't like Canons, but you may want to at least spell the name correctly when you bash them. Gives you more credibility.


...that would be the "BAD" part...lol...

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Aug 4, 2017 17:58:13   #
chasgroh Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
Kissel vonKeister wrote:
I didn't intend sarcasm, but I felt the phrase about the State killing a child was driven by emotion more than any other element. It was a knee-jerk sort of statement. Oh yeah, Pope Frankie is emotional too - sticks his nose in everywhere it doesn't belong. Do you think his efforts helped Trump get elected? So don't you think the lawyers made a mess of that situation - or at least contributed?


...jeeze...it's the *PROCESS* folks, which obviously includes the State, to a degree because the "State" morphs as legislation/legal mumbo jumbo is altered. And sometimes the legal process takes time, eh? This is alot of surface-scratching if you ask me...

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Aug 4, 2017 18:05:57   #
blackest Loc: Ireland
 
CatMarley wrote:
I cited litigation that began in November of last year over having a second opinion from specialists in the USA. How is that fact "emotional"? I guess the Pope is also overly "emotional" since he too offered an alternative. I stated facts, YOU chose to argue with me, beginning, not with facts but with a sarcastic jibe ("emotional clarity"). When the State can order the death of a child against the wishes of parents after having prevented the parents from obtaining alternative treatment until that child is beyond help, the State has become a tyrant.

This PC legislation is also tyrannical in its intent and scope as described by the OP, and it signals a very dark direction in the UK!
I cited litigation that began in November of last ... (show quote)


It seems a bad choice for the state to prevent the parents from seeking treatment outside the UK. In Ireland a mother has been battling to get prescription Medicinal cannabis oil for her daughter who suffers from Dravat syndrome. The Irish government is unwilling to allow it to be prescribed and it is the only thing that has been effective in preventing Ava's Seizures. Currently Ava Twomey is in the Netherlands being prescribed the medicine she needs and is currently seizure free. Ironically for a British child in Northern Ireland the UK government consented and they are getting treated, the medicine is produced and supplied from Dublin.

This legislation is a different matter entirely, to take a typical stereotype Dr's are men and women are nurses. As a Dr cat, surely that is a stereotype you decided you didn't want to fit in to and, I'm sure it shouldn't be portrayed in advertising which is the thinking behind this legislation. There is no good reason a woman shouldn't aspire to be a Dr is there?

When selling products, advertisers tend to sell them as part of a lifestyle choice. unfortunately a lot of people will use these stereotypes as role models for how they should be living their life. Your gender should not be seen to be a limitation. Surely that make sense Dr Marley.

Should you feel unattractive if you are not size 0, does Testosterone render a man incapable of housework? Should women be the servants of their families? Stereotypes reinforce these role models and are particularly influential in advertising.

Maybe in the US all that matters is getting the sale, but in other countries there are different ways of life, different priorities.

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Aug 4, 2017 18:07:01   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
CatMarley wrote:
I cited litigation that began in November of last year over having a second opinion from specialists in the USA. How is that fact "emotional"? I guess the Pope is also overly "emotional" since he too offered an alternative. I stated facts, YOU chose to argue with me, beginning, not with facts but with a sarcastic jibe ("emotional clarity"). When the State can order the death of a child against the wishes of parents after having prevented the parents from obtaining alternative treatment until that child is beyond help, the State has become a tyrant.

This PC legislation is also tyrannical in its intent and scope as described by the OP, and it signals a very dark direction in the UK!
I cited litigation that began in November of last ... (show quote)



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Aug 4, 2017 18:10:50   #
dmeyer Loc: Marion, NC
 
LFingar wrote:
Wake me when someone gets around to banning ads on TV and pop-ups on the internet.



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Aug 4, 2017 18:19:37   #
whitewolfowner
 
CatMarley wrote:
I cited litigation that began in November of last year over having a second opinion from specialists in the USA. How is that fact "emotional"? I guess the Pope is also overly "emotional" since he too offered an alternative. I stated facts, YOU chose to argue with me, beginning, not with facts but with a sarcastic jibe ("emotional clarity"). When the State can order the death of a child against the wishes of parents after having prevented the parents from obtaining alternative treatment until that child is beyond help, the State has become a tyrant.

This PC legislation is also tyrannical in its intent and scope as described by the OP, and it signals a very dark direction in the UK!
I cited litigation that began in November of last ... (show quote)




You think the UK government is murderous, look at the biggest and largest murdering organizations of all time; the US government and the AMA as they kill every elderly American that runs out of funds either privately or in insurance limits that require medical care. And check out the list of illnesses that have expiration dates at certain ages under obozozcare!

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Aug 4, 2017 18:19:49   #
joelcandids
 
More idiot lunacy

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Aug 4, 2017 18:21:10   #
bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
 
R.G. wrote:
So it's potentially "damaging" to suggest that there are differences between men and women? I wonder what other aspects of reality they'll decide we need protecting from.

We can but hope there is still some sanity in the world!?

bwa

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Aug 4, 2017 18:21:21   #
whitewolfowner
 
CatMarley wrote:
Whatever coalition of people who decided to prevent the parents from obtaining the care they wanted for their child and holding him by force of law until he was beyond the possibility of treatment, and the legal and governmental agencies that enforced that decision, were responsible for his death. The genetic defect killed him, but while rescue was possible, the forced delay was equally responsible. If a child were drowning, and people restrained his parents who wanted to rescue him, until he was gone, yes, the water killed him, but so did those who held back the rescue.
Whatever coalition of people who decided to preven... (show quote)



You are 100% correct!

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Aug 4, 2017 18:23:01   #
whitewolfowner
 
chasgroh wrote:
...jeeze...it's the *PROCESS* folks, which obviously includes the State, to a degree because the "State" morphs as legislation/legal mumbo jumbo is altered. And sometimes the legal process takes time, eh? This is alot of surface-scratching if you ask me...



When the legal system holds up treatment to a living human being and it ends up killing them; it's MURDER! There is no other answer than this.

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Aug 4, 2017 18:27:06   #
whitewolfowner
 
blackest wrote:
It seems a bad choice for the state to prevent the parents from seeking treatment outside the UK. In Ireland a mother has been battling to get prescription Medicinal cannabis oil for her daughter who suffers from Dravat syndrome. The Irish government is unwilling to allow it to be prescribed and it is the only thing that has been effective in preventing Ava's Seizures. Currently Ava Twomey is in the Netherlands being prescribed the medicine she needs and is currently seizure free. Ironically for a British child in Northern Ireland the UK government consented and they are getting treated, the medicine is produced and supplied from Dublin.

This legislation is a different matter entirely, to take a typical stereotype Dr's are men and women are nurses. As a Dr cat, surely that is a stereotype you decided you didn't want to fit in to and, I'm sure it shouldn't be portrayed in advertising which is the thinking behind this legislation. There is no good reason a woman shouldn't aspire to be a Dr is there?

When selling products, advertisers tend to sell them as part of a lifestyle choice. unfortunately a lot of people will use these stereotypes as role models for how they should be living their life. Your gender should not be seen to be a limitation. Surely that make sense Dr Marley.

Should you feel unattractive if you are not size 0, does Testosterone render a man incapable of housework? Should women be the servants of their families? Stereotypes reinforce these role models and are particularly influential in advertising.

Maybe in the US all that matters is getting the sale, but in other countries there are different ways of life, different priorities.
It seems a bad choice for the state to prevent the... (show quote)



Holding back a needed medication to anyone, for any reason, is out right immoral and beyond being excused. It's tyranny for a government to hold it back because it is out right murder or inhumane torture. Down right putting it bluntly; it's the ultimate Satanic act.

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