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Jul 20, 2017 08:28:33   #
pithydoug Loc: Catskill Mountains, NY
 
tomad wrote:
Hello, I'm new here and have been reading for several days and can see that there is a wealth of valuable experience here to tap into. I've been an avid hobby photographer for about 50 years and moved to digital about 10 years ago. So far I've moved from the best point and shoot available to using the best bridge cameras available. I get very good results (for me) using Sony and Panasonic 1" sensor cameras at the best JPEG settings. However, I would like to go further as both cameras have the ability to shoot RAW. I have a large monitor main computer that runs Ubuntu and a good laptop that runs Windows 10. That's the setup. Now the issue. I have been totally frustrated trying to do anything with a RAW file. Even to open one seems to be difficult and then all I see is a monochrome version of my color photo. I've tried to work with both Gimp and RawTherapee on my Ubuntu machine and have been frustrated from the start.

I strive to get the very best out of every shot, no matter the equipment. So, my question is; Can someone point me to some very basic online help to begin to use RAW files in one of these editors (Ubuntu or RawTherapee) or another one that works on Ubuntu, or a free one that will work on my Windows laptop. I need to start with one that has an easy to understand user interface and/or a good beginner tutorial available.

I know from reading many of your posts here that I can get way better results (even from my bridge cameras) using RAW files but after several tries I have always given up and gone back to JPEG so please help me get past this barrier to better photography. Thanks!
Hello, I'm new here and have been reading for seve... (show quote)


Find a tool, such as LR/PS cc and then tune into youtube and watch hours of free videos. Without the homework you not likely develop a reasonable workflow of any tool.

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Jul 20, 2017 08:34:28   #
Paul Buckhiester Loc: Columbus, GA USA
 
tomad wrote:
Hello, I'm new here and have been reading for several days and can see that there is a wealth of valuable experience here to tap into. I've been an avid hobby photographer for about 50 years and moved to digital about 10 years ago. So far I've moved from the best point and shoot available to using the best bridge cameras available. I get very good results (for me) using Sony and Panasonic 1" sensor cameras at the best JPEG settings. However, I would like to go further as both cameras have the ability to shoot RAW. I have a large monitor main computer that runs Ubuntu and a good laptop that runs Windows 10. That's the setup. Now the issue. I have been totally frustrated trying to do anything with a RAW file. Even to open one seems to be difficult and then all I see is a monochrome version of my color photo. I've tried to work with both Gimp and RawTherapee on my Ubuntu machine and have been frustrated from the start.

I strive to get the very best out of every shot, no matter the equipment. So, my question is; Can someone point me to some very basic online help to begin to use RAW files in one of these editors (Ubuntu or RawTherapee) or another one that works on Ubuntu, or a free one that will work on my Windows laptop. I need to start with one that has an easy to understand user interface and/or a good beginner tutorial available.

I know from reading many of your posts here that I can get way better results (even from my bridge cameras) using RAW files but after several tries I have always given up and gone back to JPEG so please help me get past this barrier to better photography. Thanks!
Hello, I'm new here and have been reading for seve... (show quote)


Lynda.com

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Jul 20, 2017 08:45:26   #
pithydoug Loc: Catskill Mountains, NY
 
Paul Buckhiester wrote:
Lynda.com


That's one and so is Morganti and Kost. each of these all have videos soup to nuts!

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Jul 20, 2017 08:54:24   #
cthahn
 
Take a class from a professional and learn the correct way to use and understand RAW. Everyone will give a different answer or suggestion here.

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Jul 20, 2017 09:18:43   #
Coyote9269 Loc: USA
 
Brent Rowlett wrote:
Trying to reinvent the wheel with off brands of OS and software seems daunting to me and an expense of time when there is a superb set of software available for photographers..


Very true. Also with the ability to lease /rent Photoshop CC it makes it more cost effective.

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Jul 20, 2017 09:23:42   #
texashill Loc: Texas Hill Country
 
I was in the same situation about three months ago. I am a real estate agent and use a large sensor point and shoot, Cannon G1X II. I had been reading on this excellent site about how much improvement can be achieved by shooting in RAW. I downloaded some free trials but, as you say, the results were not right. I finally tried LightRoom. It works great for me. I particularly like the highlight and shadow sliders. There are many great free online tutorials. I now have much improved capability to handle a larger dynamic range.


tomad wrote:
Hello, I'm new here and have been reading for several days and can see that there is a wealth of valuable experience here to tap into. I've been an avid hobby photographer for about 50 years and moved to digital about 10 years ago. So far I've moved from the best point and shoot available to using the best bridge cameras available. I get very good results (for me) using Sony and Panasonic 1" sensor cameras at the best JPEG settings. However, I would like to go further as both cameras have the ability to shoot RAW. I have a large monitor main computer that runs Ubuntu and a good laptop that runs Windows 10. That's the setup. Now the issue. I have been totally frustrated trying to do anything with a RAW file. Even to open one seems to be difficult and then all I see is a monochrome version of my color photo. I've tried to work with both Gimp and RawTherapee on my Ubuntu machine and have been frustrated from the start.

I strive to get the very best out of every shot, no matter the equipment. So, my question is; Can someone point me to some very basic online help to begin to use RAW files in one of these editors (Ubuntu or RawTherapee) or another one that works on Ubuntu, or a free one that will work on my Windows laptop. I need to start with one that has an easy to understand user interface and/or a good beginner tutorial available.

I know from reading many of your posts here that I can get way better results (even from my bridge cameras) using RAW files but after several tries I have always given up and gone back to JPEG so please help me get past this barrier to better photography. Thanks!
Hello, I'm new here and have been reading for seve... (show quote)

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Jul 20, 2017 09:24:27   #
jwn Loc: SOUTHEAST GEORGIA USA
 
Canon supplies in the box DPP4 with its cameras, I would assume other mfgs supply similar programs for editing and conversion. Its free and designed to work with your camera and updates are free.

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Jul 20, 2017 09:24:44   #
blackest Loc: Ireland
 
jerryc41 wrote:
You can use Affinity ($50) to open and process raw files.
https://vimeo.com/131210545


Not on Ubuntu Linux you can't.

Lightroom and Photoshop doesn't run either.

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Jul 20, 2017 09:30:59   #
RickL Loc: Vail, Az
 
tomad wrote:
Hello, I'm new here and have been reading for several days and can see that there is a wealth of valuable experience here to tap into. I've been an avid hobby photographer for about 50 years and moved to digital about 10 years ago. So far I've moved from the best point and shoot available to using the best bridge cameras available. I get very good results (for me) using Sony and Panasonic 1" sensor cameras at the best JPEG settings. However, I would like to go further as both cameras have the ability to shoot RAW. I have a large monitor main computer that runs Ubuntu and a good laptop that runs Windows 10. That's the setup. Now the issue. I have been totally frustrated trying to do anything with a RAW file. Even to open one seems to be difficult and then all I see is a monochrome version of my color photo. I've tried to work with both Gimp and RawTherapee on my Ubuntu machine and have been frustrated from the start.

I strive to get the very best out of every shot, no matter the equipment. So, my question is; Can someone point me to some very basic online help to begin to use RAW files in one of these editors (Ubuntu or RawTherapee) or another one that works on Ubuntu, or a free one that will work on my Windows laptop. I need to start with one that has an easy to understand user interface and/or a good beginner tutorial available.



An excellent program to use is Affinity. I will cost you $50 one time. There is a learning curve but there iw plenty of video supports. When I moved from film to digital i started using it with my RAW files. Very pleased with the results.

I know from reading many of your posts here that I can get way better results (even from my bridge cameras) using RAW files but after several tries I have always given up and gone back to JPEG so please help me get past this barrier to better photography. Thanks!
Hello, I'm new here and have been reading for seve... (show quote)

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Jul 20, 2017 09:34:29   #
aflundi Loc: Albuquerque, NM
 
I also recommend Darktable. It does a reasonable job of doing enough default processing to give you a good starting point to work from, which you can easily back out of if you wish. I suggest you concentrate on the white balance, tone-curve, and equalizer modules.

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Jul 20, 2017 09:52:10   #
pithydoug Loc: Catskill Mountains, NY
 
blackest wrote:
Not on Ubuntu Linux you can't.

Lightroom and Photoshop doesn't run either.


Then set up a windows partition.

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Jul 20, 2017 09:54:04   #
bcplimpton Loc: Southern New Jersey
 
Apaflo wrote:
GIMP can use UFRAW as a front end to directly process single shots one at a time.

I use UFRAW extensively but do not recommend processing RAW files one at a time by sending each individually to GIMP. Do them as a batch! Go through and generate individual config files for each image, and process those all at once while you do something useful other than just wait.


RawTherapee (RT) can be set up to use GIMP as an external processor. It passes a 16 bit TIFF image to GIMP. RT also is capable of applying changes to many images at once and is non-destructive (uses a side file to hold changes). Step 1 apply the picture controls you want (in color tab) and then the Lens ICC in the Lens/Geometry settings. Once that is done, you should be very close to the JPEG and can improve from there with RT and/or GIMP.

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Jul 20, 2017 10:21:01   #
Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
 
bcplimpton wrote:
RawTherapee (RT) can be set up to use GIMP as an external processor. It passes a 16 bit TIFF image to GIMP. RT also is capable of applying changes to many images at once and is non-destructive (uses a side file to hold changes). Step 1 apply the picture controls you want (in color tab) and then the Lens ICC in the Lens/Geometry settings. Once that is done, you should be very close to the JPEG and can improve from there with RT and/or GIMP.

The significance is not being able to apply the same configuration to multiple files, but rather to easily generate a unique configuration for each image (and not having to wait as each is actually processed), and then doing all of those as a batch process while you do something else. A huge time saver for projects with hundreds of shots.

BTW, RawTherapee probably has the most sophisticated interpolation algorithm of any raw converter available, bar none!

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Jul 20, 2017 10:22:35   #
pappleg
 
Raw files cannot be gimped. I use Nikon and set if for Raw +Jpeg Fine so you get both with a single exposure. The Jpeg is viewable and shows essentially what you have in the Raw file. Although it is not very intuitive I highly recommend Lightroom/Photoshop. Scott Kelby publishes very good references for this software but it is very complex. Easiest learn is via U-tube videos for specific purposes. LR/PS is available on disc for one-time charge of $145 via Amazon or by subscription model direct from Adobe for $9.99/month which is constantly updated. Most photo operations are done in Lightroom with vast ways of modifying/adjusting your images but if you want to remove something (moles, wrinkles, power lines, etc.) you toggle into Photoshop, save your changes, and then go back to Lightroom. I have been at it for just under a year and have only scratched the surface. HDRs are amazingly easy in LR.

Hope that helps. Pat

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Jul 20, 2017 10:26:00   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
tomad wrote:
Hello, I'm new here and have been reading for several days and can see that there is a wealth of valuable experience here to tap into. I've been an avid hobby photographer for about 50 years and moved to digital about 10 years ago. So far I've moved from the best point and shoot available to using the best bridge cameras available. I get very good results (for me) using Sony and Panasonic 1" sensor cameras at the best JPEG settings. However, I would like to go further as both cameras have the ability to shoot RAW. I have a large monitor main computer that runs Ubuntu and a good laptop that runs Windows 10. That's the setup. Now the issue. I have been totally frustrated trying to do anything with a RAW file. Even to open one seems to be difficult and then all I see is a monochrome version of my color photo. I've tried to work with both Gimp and RawTherapee on my Ubuntu machine and have been frustrated from the start.

I strive to get the very best out of every shot, no matter the equipment. So, my question is; Can someone point me to some very basic online help to begin to use RAW files in one of these editors (Ubuntu or RawTherapee) or another one that works on Ubuntu, or a free one that will work on my Windows laptop. I need to start with one that has an easy to understand user interface and/or a good beginner tutorial available.

I know from reading many of your posts here that I can get way better results (even from my bridge cameras) using RAW files but after several tries I have always given up and gone back to JPEG so please help me get past this barrier to better photography. Thanks!
Hello, I'm new here and have been reading for seve... (show quote)


Does Ubuntu or any Linux OS support ICC color management? If not, you need to use Windows or MacOS.

Does Ubuntu or any Linux OS issue periodic updates to add camera raw profiles for digital cameras? If not, you need to use Windows or MacOS.

Digital cameras typically save STANDARD files as JPEGs. They save raw data in PROPRIETARY files. Interpretation of a raw file requires the camera manufacturer's raw profile for that specific model of camera, or at least the camera manufacturer's own software (that typically came with the camera). Lacking either of these will stymie you.

A raw image must be opened using your specific camera's raw profile. It is then converted to a "working color space", using your imaging software's defaults OR the camera EXIF data from the menu settings used at the camera. This "working color space" is a very wide gamut color space such as ProPhoto RGB, that can include/describe/contain every color captured by the camera. From the working color space, the image is converted to your monitor profile, which should be a CUSTOM profile that YOU MAKE, using a colorimeter or spectrophotometer and software (a kit from DataColor or X-RITE). Done correctly, this allows you to see and adjust the color image correctly, then save it as an image file (JPEG, TIFF, PNG, etc). As the image is saved to a file, it is converted from the working color space to sRGB or Adobe RGB (1998) — sRGB for the Internet (always!) and most photo labs, Adobe RGB ONLY for printers or labs that request it. It is very important to adjust images with reference to a calibrated and profiled monitor if you want good prints, or if you want others to see your images the way you saw them.

So... If your OS and software cannot support proper color management, and if you don't bother to calibrate AND PROFILE your monitor to standard, you are chasing your tail.

I would suggest you need at least:

8GB RAM
2.7 GHz Quad Core i5 processor
500 GB conventional hard drive
Graphics Adapter with 1.5 GB dedicated RAM
Monitor capable of 100% sRGB and 80 to 100% Adobe RGB color space and 1920x1080 pixels
Windows 10 or MacOS 10.12.x
DataColor Spyder5Pro+ calibrator or X-RITE Color Munki

As for software, spend $50 and get Affinity Photo for Windows or Mac. It is one of the very best values in imaging software today.

There's one more missing ingredient that is more important than any of the above, if you don't have it, and that is knowledge. Go online and scour YouTube for videos on ICC Color Management, Affinity Photo, and digital photography in general.

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