What will stop the Massive decline in Interchangable Lens Camera Sales?
Jul 10, 2017 00:42:14 #
The problem is the camera companies are ripping off their customers ! That is the issue in a nitashell.
Did you ever wonder why a good Dell laptop can be purchased for less than $1,000, and a DSLR costs many times that ?
The mechanics and cheap glass with a kit do not account for such a difference.
Rip off the market, and the market will bite you back. The simple truth is the product is overpriced and people see it and dont see the value.
Did you ever wonder why a good Dell laptop can be purchased for less than $1,000, and a DSLR costs many times that ?
The mechanics and cheap glass with a kit do not account for such a difference.
Rip off the market, and the market will bite you back. The simple truth is the product is overpriced and people see it and dont see the value.
Jul 10, 2017 01:01:09 #
Cameras are best made by the top three and lenses are best made by lens specialists. I personally own a Canon 5D MarkIII and three Tamrons and one Tokina. This not only covers 16mm-600mm, but as good as or better IQ than Canon's big glass at half the cost. The Tammies have 6 year warranty and Tokina has a 3 year. Why on earth is Canon losing ground in this range? Huhh, well I'll look into this and give you an update. Duuhhh.
Jul 10, 2017 01:18:50 #
My local college offers basic photography B/W courses. They shoot and develop their own film. The classes are always full. 👍
Jul 10, 2017 01:21:46 #
Doug52332 wrote:
Oh, I know! Cell phone cameras are best used for things that don't move. Pixel count is on the rise, but the size of the processor hasn't changed considerably.
You also won't see many faces taken from a distance with cell phone cameras. the faces tend to go blank, although the general shape is there. :)
You also won't see many faces taken from a distance with cell phone cameras. the faces tend to go blank, although the general shape is there. :)
Doug;
I love your description of faces. You should coin that and send it to the DSLR makers for advertising!
Jul 10, 2017 09:12:51 #
CHOLLY wrote:
While you personally may never want to buy a new c... (show quote)
I think one of the main advantages of cell phone pictures is the instant sharing. You take the picture and you can in an instant share it with your various social sites. That audience is not going to rip you a new one if the ISO or the histogram is not spot on. My children do not own cameras. It is not part of what they are about. At least for now. They take cell pictures of themselves, where they are and the grandchildren and send them our way. I don't have a problem with it.
Jul 10, 2017 09:46:27 #
tomad wrote:
My wife has a good quality point and shoot that I bought for her and an Apple phone. She only takes photos with the I-phone to post on Facebook. To her there is no other reason to take a photograph. She's in her mid 40's so it's not only young people who are deserting dedicated cameras.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/video/animals/internet-falls-in-loves-with-smartphone-loving-gorilla/vi-BBDVvWr
Jul 10, 2017 10:48:21 #
But there are cameras with that capability too. I have or had cameras that allow me to upload one image or a whole folder of images to the platform of my choice. It may take 1 or 2 steps, but it's still pretty quick and easy.
Is this a feature ALL DSLRs should have if manufacturers want to attract new and younger customers?
Is this a feature ALL DSLRs should have if manufacturers want to attract new and younger customers?
Jul 10, 2017 11:54:28 #
We may be looking at a bigger issue here. There is a growing society that cares more about immediate gratification than they do about quality. For example, I know a very successful business owner who used to buy $10,000-$15,000 stereo systems every three years or so. His speakers were the size of small cars. What is his speaker system now? Ear buds. He says he doesn't have time to sit and listen to music, so ear buds serve the purpose.
Nothing points this trend out better than the decline of American symphony orchestras. Starting a few years ago great symphony orchestras such as the Philadelphia Orchestra were forced into chapter 11 bankruptcy. Others have followed such as Minnesota, Denver, and Kansas City. What has taken their place? "America's got Talent," "American Idol," and other superficial forms of entertainment. High quality artistic achievement is becoming a lost cause.
How about American luxury cars? Cadillac and Lincoln are trying to reinvent themselves. Oldsmobile and Mercury are gone. Now we have perfectly functional but unexciting Corollas, Civics, Sentras, and Elantras. This is the world Nikon, Canon, Olympus, Panasonic and others live in. Should we be surprised that sales of cameras are down? Cell phones are becoming the Corollas, Civics, Sentras, and Elantras of the camera world, functional but unexciting. Ansel Adams might be forced into graphic design if he were alive today.
Nothing points this trend out better than the decline of American symphony orchestras. Starting a few years ago great symphony orchestras such as the Philadelphia Orchestra were forced into chapter 11 bankruptcy. Others have followed such as Minnesota, Denver, and Kansas City. What has taken their place? "America's got Talent," "American Idol," and other superficial forms of entertainment. High quality artistic achievement is becoming a lost cause.
How about American luxury cars? Cadillac and Lincoln are trying to reinvent themselves. Oldsmobile and Mercury are gone. Now we have perfectly functional but unexciting Corollas, Civics, Sentras, and Elantras. This is the world Nikon, Canon, Olympus, Panasonic and others live in. Should we be surprised that sales of cameras are down? Cell phones are becoming the Corollas, Civics, Sentras, and Elantras of the camera world, functional but unexciting. Ansel Adams might be forced into graphic design if he were alive today.
Jul 10, 2017 12:16:18 #
therwol
Loc: USA
CHOLLY wrote:
But there are cameras with that capability too. I have or had cameras that allow me to upload one image or a whole folder of images to the platform of my choice. It may take 1 or 2 steps, but it's still pretty quick and easy.
Is this a feature ALL DSLRs should have if manufacturers want to attract new and younger customers?
Is this a feature ALL DSLRs should have if manufacturers want to attract new and younger customers?
Phones let you share pictures without being connected to the internet. They go through the cell phone network. You can be out in the middle of a lake and instantly share a picture of a fish you just caught.
Jul 10, 2017 13:44:14 #
therwol wrote:
Phones let you share pictures without being connected to the internet. They go through the cell phone network. You can be out in the middle of a lake and instantly share a picture of a fish you just caught.
Chances are, if you are out there sharing your picture with your phone, then you have a cell phone. And if you have your cell phone than I can connect to it with my cameras and upload images captured with my camera and lenses with one or two button pushes.
Jul 10, 2017 13:57:28 #
CHOLLY wrote:
Chances are, if you are out there sharing your picture with your phone, then you have a cell phone. And if you have your cell phone than I can connect to it with my cameras and upload images captured with my camera and lenses with one or two button pushes.
No you can't. Not to MY phone - you don't have the permissions. To yours maybe, but most people just don't care about doing that. They're more than happy with the cell phone for capturing and sharing images over the internet. It's fast, convenient, simple, fits in their pocket or bag, and plenty good enough for the purpose. You really are stretching things to the point of desperation here.
Jul 10, 2017 14:06:21 #
therwol
Loc: USA
CHOLLY wrote:
Chances are, if you are out there sharing your picture with your phone, then you have a cell phone. And if you have your cell phone than I can connect to it with my cameras and upload images captured with my camera and lenses with one or two button pushes.
Of course the average person using a cell phone for pictures would ask, "Why would I need a camera? My phone can take pictures." I can see that someone using a camera might under some circumstances fine it useful to upload pictures through a cell phone, however I'm not so much into instant sharing. I like to sit down and organize what I share with other people first.
Jul 10, 2017 15:04:10 #
CHOLLY wrote:
Folks, sales of the tools we love to practice our craft and trade are dropping like a stone.
Why?
Many think Cell Phones with cameras are the problem... and to a certain extent this is true. But what professional photographer does a wedding with an iPhone? None... yet.
The problem with where the market is going is this; we as consumers are losing options and choices. The market is rapidly contracting, and if we aren't careful, many of us will be left out in the cold.
Why?
Many think Cell Phones with cameras are the problem... and to a certain extent this is true. But what professional photographer does a wedding with an iPhone? None... yet.
The problem with where the market is going is this; we as consumers are losing options and choices. The market is rapidly contracting, and if we aren't careful, many of us will be left out in the cold.
From my point of view, we as active hobby/professional photographers need to tell the camera manufacturers what we want in a camera.
Photography has never been more popular than now. The most used camer in the world is the iPhone. People are sharing photos like nuts these days.
I want
-Wifi and full internet access.
-Touch screen with full access to all camera controls and settings.
-Shutter speeds from an hour or two to above 1/8000 of a second.
-I want a simple user friendly interface.
-A sensor with the highest possible number of pixels, i.e. >50.
-GPS so I can see on a map where the picture is shot as well as providing an accurate title to it.
Just to mention a few ideas...
Jul 10, 2017 15:23:30 #
markjay wrote:
The problem is the camera companies are ripping off their customers ! That is the issue in a nitashell.
Did you ever wonder why a good Dell laptop can be purchased for less than $1,000, and a DSLR costs many times that ?
The mechanics and cheap glass with a kit do not account for such a difference.
Rip off the market, and the market will bite you back. The simple truth is the product is overpriced and people see it and dont see the value.
Did you ever wonder why a good Dell laptop can be purchased for less than $1,000, and a DSLR costs many times that ?
The mechanics and cheap glass with a kit do not account for such a difference.
Rip off the market, and the market will bite you back. The simple truth is the product is overpriced and people see it and dont see the value.
You are entitled to that opinion - I do not agree.
Nikon and Pentax are both struggling financially - they do not make a bundle on each camera sold. The mechanics have never been inexpensive, and mechanical items are getting more expensive. Sensors cost real money to produce. Design and assembly costs real money. All-in-all, getting a body to market costs serious money.
Jul 10, 2017 15:25:03 #
anotherview wrote:
I know others who use cell phone cameras exclusive... (show quote)
I guess it's another of the "There are two types of people in this world..." scenarios. Those who care about their craft will use what it takes to get the shot. Those who don't, won't.
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