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What will stop the Massive decline in Interchangable Lens Camera Sales?
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Jul 9, 2017 08:54:26   #
tomcat
 
ralphfr wrote:
I agree. It seems like the cell phone manufacturers have seen the light and are innovating with much simpler technology. Kind of the KISS principle. Tiny lenses + intelligent software = terrific images to a degree. The SLR folks are just trying to perpetuate their business model selling expensive to manufacture equipment and given their existing capital investment the incentive for change will be hard to swallow.

Personally, I couldn't take a decent photo with a cell phone if my life depended on it. Well maybe if I could afford one with the best possible IS. Wherever the technology leads to I hope someone will consider ergonomics for us old shaky people.
I agree. It seems like the cell phone manufacturer... (show quote)




Take a look at the attached image taken with my iPhone 6+. This is as good as any DSLR image could be. Note the dof and sharpness of the image. I did not have my D750 at the time.

So you CAN take a decent cell phone photo if you practice enough and understand how your phone camera works. When I took this, I touched the screen to zero in on the chicks so that the iPhone's camera lens would focus on the chicks only and also moved the slider to adjust the exposure for the shadows. People just don't believe that this was a cell phone image and I tell them that this was "not a cell phone--it was an ' iPhone' "



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Jul 9, 2017 08:56:58   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
tomcat wrote:
It primarily is cell phones that is causing the decline. Amateurs are not buying those intro point-and-shoot cameras and lenses now at the same rate as 4-5 years ago. I was at the science museum with my grandson last week and taking pictures of him interacting with some hands-on stuff. The museum staffer told me that "I don't see many of those anymore", referring to my D750/wide-angle lens. I told him "yeah, all I see today are cell phones" and he nodded. We both talked about the slow demise of quality DSLR images today and he relayed that many of the shots taken are selfies going to FB and moms with their cellphones. Following our conversation, I started being more observant and I did not see another DSLR camera anywhere in the museum. A few years ago, my wife and I were in New Orleans and we photographed one of the those mimes posing as a statue. I looked back over my shoulder and there was only 1 other 35mm camera being used. The other 8-10 tourists were using the flip versions of cell phones and this was around 2007!! So even then, the handwriting was on the wall.
It primarily is cell phones that is causing the de... (show quote)


People using cell phone cameras are probably the same people who would buy an "Instamatic". They most likely would not purchase a DSLR to begin with. They would appear to be not quite as "serious" about photography as those who purchase DSLRs. My guess is that if they did not have a camera in their phone, they would not be taking pictures as much.

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Jul 9, 2017 08:59:23   #
tturner Loc: Savannah Ga
 
Given the quality of work presented by many people on this forum, the might as well use a smart phone, my self included some times.

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Jul 9, 2017 09:06:45   #
suntouched Loc: Sierra Vista AZ
 
tomcat wrote:
Take a look at the attached image taken with my iPhone 6+. This is as good as any DSLR image could be. Note the dof and sharpness of the image. I did not have my D750 at the time.

So you CAN take a decent cell phone photo if you practice enough and understand how your phone camera works. When I took this, I touched the screen to zero in on the chicks so that the iPhone's camera lens would focus on the chicks only and also moved the slider to adjust the exposure for the shadows. People just don't believe that this was a cell phone image and I tell them that this was "not a cell phone--it was an ' iPhone' "
Take a look at the attached image taken with my iP... (show quote)

Any idea what kind of birds these are? Does the image hold its resolution when you enlarge it?

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Jul 9, 2017 09:06:58   #
puku8849
 
StaneeRae wrote:
Although he also used a Nikon, this photographer entered a wedding album in competition, that featured photos taken only with an iPhone.
http://www.jerryghionis.com/the-wedding-of-josh-and-amber-select-shots-taken-with-the-iphone/


Amen! https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#label/iPhone+Photography/15ce41bdc5fb3c12
One should also look at the results of the latest worldwide iPhone Photography competition. IPPA winners.

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Jul 9, 2017 09:15:58   #
redlegfrog
 
CHOLLY wrote:
Folks, sales of the tools we love to practice our craft and trade are dropping like a stone.

Why?

Many think Cell Phones with cameras are the problem... and to a certain extent this is true. But what professional photographer does a wedding with an iPhone? None... yet.

The problem with where the market is going is this; we as consumers are losing options and choices. The market is rapidly contracting, and if we aren't careful, many of us will be left out in the cold.


One part of the problem that might be overlooked is the kids don't do anything these days. They invest themselves in nothing.

It seems that they are maturing at a much later age than we did so perhaps there will come a time when they will discover worth while pursuits like photography.

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Jul 9, 2017 09:28:38   #
MtnMan Loc: ID
 
The other reason for a drop in lens sales is caused by the lens manufacturers. They are making better zoom range and cheaper zoom lenses. That replaces the demand for prime and shorter range zooms.

For example the new Nikon 10-20mm for $300 will kill sales of the much more expensive 10-24. The $1,400 200-500 killed sales of the More expensive 80-400.

Then there are the improved quality less expensive alternatives from Tamron and Sigma affecting all the camera makers sales.

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Jul 9, 2017 09:40:57   #
tomcat
 
suntouched wrote:
Any idea what kind of birds these are? Does the image hold its resolution when you enlarge it?



They are bluebirds. When I enlarge it to a 16x20, it does hold its resolution. I've never gone any larger than this.

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Jul 9, 2017 09:41:32   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
Longshadow wrote:
People using cell phone cameras are probably the same people who would buy an "Instamatic". They most likely would not purchase a DSLR to begin with. They would appear to be not quite as "serious" about photography as those who purchase DSLRs. My guess is that if they did not have a camera in their phone, they would not be taking pictures as much.


Social comment -

How will we ever overcome things like racism and bigotry if we even divide people into "US" and "Them" based on the camera "They" use.

That is all.

--

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Jul 9, 2017 09:46:11   #
SS319
 
I hear that a Mr. A. Adams decried the fact that fewer and fewer wood body 8 X 10 cameras are being produced since the war and hardly anyone seems to want to use glass anymore for a support media. He stated that he did not believe that the new 35mm (whatever that is) camera was capable of being used for the art of photography. And these so called photographers that were willing to put only a single day - or even less - into the obtaining of a negative of sufficient quality to produce a print of art quality - how do these people expect to feed themselves.

The art of Photography is not the exclusive realm of Canon and Nikon!
The art of Photography IS exclusively the realm of the Human Mind and we struggle with all our might to create on paper, or digital presentation media those images that we see with our mind. Photography comes from the desire of the human mind to share the beauty that God has given us with others of our species. It is our way of saying "Here! Look at me" and "Here, I Love you"

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Jul 9, 2017 09:52:24   #
cthahn
 
What are you talking about?

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Jul 9, 2017 09:56:22   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
CHOLLY wrote:
Folks, sales of the tools we love to practice our craft and trade are dropping like a stone.

Why?

Many think Cell Phones with cameras are the problem... and to a certain extent this is true. But what professional photographer does a wedding with an iPhone? None... yet.

The problem with where the market is going is this; we as consumers are losing options and choices. The market is rapidly contracting, and if we aren't careful, many of us will be left out in the cold.


The SLR has always been a niche market. Look at photos of people watching the big events over the years including space launches. Most have instamatics or other simpler non-ilc cameras. Canon changed that with the AE-1 and SLRs took off. Once Canon introduced a digital Rebel the DSLR took off. But there was no viable cell phone camera nor was there the social media as there is today. People in general want convenience and the current cell phone does it all. Quality never was the issue. The AE-1 was simplicity of use and the Rebel was this as well as a price point to get into digital. There are many other threads but the current consumer could care less about art photos. They want ease of use, instant communication of that photo and ease of taking it with you. The cell phone does it all as well as orders dinner, wakes them up and everything with one device so why carry a bulky separate camera of any kind when the cell does it good enough for what is desired?

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Jul 9, 2017 09:56:51   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Market saturation. How many cameras can be sold to how many people?
--Bob
CHOLLY wrote:
Folks, sales of the tools we love to practice our craft and trade are dropping like a stone.

Why?

Many think Cell Phones with cameras are the problem... and to a certain extent this is true. But what professional photographer does a wedding with an iPhone? None... yet.

The problem with where the market is going is this; we as consumers are losing options and choices. The market is rapidly contracting, and if we aren't careful, many of us will be left out in the cold.

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Jul 9, 2017 10:04:14   #
Festus Loc: North Dakota
 
CHOLLY wrote:
Folks, sales of the tools we love to practice our craft and trade are dropping like a stone.

Why?

Many think Cell Phones with cameras are the problem... and to a certain extent this is true. But what professional photographer does a wedding with an iPhone? None... yet.

The problem with where the market is going is this; we as consumers are losing options and choices. The market is rapidly contracting, and if we aren't careful, many of us will be left out in the cold.


Many comments about the size of todays cameras and how they are getting smaller. To me that is a small part of the posters issue. Currently, social media is dominating communications. People want immediate access and distribution of their photos. Until the big players (Canon, Nikon, Sony) realize this and incorporate a much easier way to distribute photos directly from the camera the decline will continue. Take a look at Nikon's latest attempt: SnapBridge; it's a joke!

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Jul 9, 2017 10:08:03   #
Festus Loc: North Dakota
 
rmalarz wrote:
Market saturation. How many cameras can be sold to how many people?
--Bob


Are you serious? You are saying there is zero population growth. There are enough people reaching the age of 14 to 20 just in the U.S. to keep any one camera company in business.

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