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Jun 30, 2017 16:03:14   #
markinvictoria Loc: Victoria TX
 
PHRubin wrote:
Let me add my humble opinion.

I would find switching lenses a nuisance. I was quite happy with a 18-135mm lens until I encountered the situation which, for me, occurs often, where I wanted an 18mm and over 200mm at the same event. I now use a Sigma 18-300mm "zoom" much of the time. However, the 18-135 should cover most of your needs. Be advised there are 3 different types of focusing systems. Both of the newer ones (STM, USM) are OK.

Also note, many "kit" lens packages offer the longer zoom (70-200) WITHOUT image stabilization.
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Now...wait a few weeks and there will be the Tammy 18-400. I'm not expecting too much...but it sure would nice if it performed well.

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Jun 30, 2017 17:09:51   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
amfoto1 wrote:
Regarding the 55-250mm lens... I looked up Canon EF 70-210mm f/3.5-4.5 and it appears to be a lens from 1990 with USM focus drive (good), but without Image Stabilization (bad). I have no idea it's image quality. But the EF-S 55-250mm f/4-5.6 IS STM has pretty good IQ and is considerably closer focusing (able to do .29X magnification, compared to .17X mag with your lens). The STM focus drive is smoother and quieter than USM, but might not be quite as fast. With telephoto lenses such as this I.S. can be very helpful, especially when using the lens on an APS-C crop camera such as the T7i. Yes, either lens will act as a 1.6X more powerful telephoto on T7i, than they would on your old film (i.e, "full frame") camera. Of course, the EF-S lens won't fit onto your old film camera. The T7i, on the other hand, can use both EF and EF-S lenses equally well.

I've been using Canon I.S. lenses for over fifteen years and am a big fan, especially with telephotos... So, yes, I'd recommend getting the kit that includes it, so long as the price is favorable ("kit" bundles usually are a good deal.... but you can check the difference the lens adds against buying it separately, to be sure).

Another lens that's sometimes bundled with Canon cameras is the EF 75-300mm "III" (non-USM, non-IS). I do not recommend it. It's Canon's least expensive telephoto zoom and also one of their worst. The 55-250mm is a much better lens in many ways. It's usually a little, but not a lot more expensive than the 75-300mm... but well worth it!

The camera will most likely come with an EF-S 18-55mm IS STM, too... which is a decent little lens that nicely complements the 55-250mm. Neither of those lenses includes a lens hood. I'd recommend buying the matching hood for both of them. Canon's OEM hoods probably cost around $25 apiece... But there often are also cheaper "clones", such as Vello ($12-$15 apiece) that likely do the job just as well.

You likely won't need that old Sigma 28-80mm... which is probably a good thing. Even if it worked well on your old camera, there often are compatibility issues with old third party lenses on newer cameras. Sigma has probably had more of those issues than any other manufacturer. I have an old 28-70mm Sigma that worked fine on Elan 7E, EOS-3 film cameras and 10D DSLR... but causes 30D and later model DSLRs to lock up with error codes. Thankfully, I bought it used and didn't pay very much... it's not fixable.

It sounds as if you've seen some bundles that include a whole lot more stuff. BE VERY CAREFUL. There are a lot of bait-and-switch shysters on the Internet! I recommend sticking with the reliable vendors... such as Adorama, B&H Photo, Amazon Direct, and a few others. The long-established stores are far less risky than many of the fly-by-night outfits on the Internet. Whoever you decide, ask here or check them out thoroughly in other ways, before giving them your credit card number!

The manufacturer assembled kits are great. And the reliable stores put together bunbles of reasonably good items, too. But the Internet shysters but a bunch of worthless junk in their kits... sometimes even swap out quality items that were originally provided by the manufacturer for cheaper junk.

Have fun shopping!
Regarding the 55-250mm lens... I looked up Canon E... (show quote)


Alan, you always have the most knowledgeable and comprehensive advice of anyone on this forum - just want to acknowledge it. Kudos!

Cheers,
Chris

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Jun 30, 2017 18:14:00   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
huh huh wrote:
I have been following UH for 1-2 years now. It has been a great resource and I have really learned a lot. (That being said, due to my limited knowledge I sometimes feel that I walked into the middle of a French movie and start looking at feet for the subtitles). I am familiar with photography having owned an EOS Elan IIe. Wanting to move into the 21st century, I'm looking at pulling the trigger on a T7i. I still have a Canon EF 70-210 3.5 to 4.5. I know that as it's a full frame lens it will equivalent to a 105-315 on the T7i. I know that it will work on my new camera but I'm still thinking of getting a kit that also has Canon's EF-S 55-250 IS STM. Does this make any sense or should I skip the 55-250? (I also have a Sigma 28-80 3.5 to 5.6 but when I attempt to manually focus, it sounds like someone trying to go from 2nd to 3rd without using the clutch.)

Second, many of the kits from A,B and C also contain other equipment, bag, filters, tripod, etc. Now I know that that these are probably not the best quality, but my thinking is I will need most of this stuff anyway and this is a painless way to get everything all at once. I figure once I get deeper in the weeds I can figure out my needs and replace what's needed. So my question is does it make sense to get one of these all in one kits? Your opinions would be appreciated.
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I am leery of these kits. As you say the products offered are generally not real usable and some are a complete waste of time to even try using.
Camera and lens kits are your best bet.

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Jun 30, 2017 18:39:20   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
I would skip the T7i and look at the 80D. I handled one the other day and it's a really nice body. It's loaded with bells and whistles. Got one new refurbished from Canon direct for $800
https://shop.usa.canon.com/shop/en/catalog/eos-80d-body-refurbished

Then look into buying a EF-s 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6 IS for $350 This is a great walk around lens
https://shop.usa.canon.com/shop/en/catalog/ef-s-18-200mm-f-35-56-is-refurbished-17976-1

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Jun 30, 2017 21:18:51   #
Mr Bob
 
There are many opinions regarding upgrading lenses. I generally suggest buying the best lens possible.
But- depending on your style and photographic engagement you and I may not need to spend $$$ on a lens.
Look at your photography interest level and evaluate how much of your life is devoted to this hobby.
I have several kit lens and each have the capability to take great family photos as well as document vacations.
I also have several L lens which I employ to capture perfection.
Many of the kit lens that I have are available used at great discounts by those who have outgrown them.
Best of luck

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Jul 1, 2017 13:30:39   #
JBGLADSTONE Loc: Oregon
 
Canon has 80D with 18-55mm f3.5-5.6 STM for $799.00 refurbished with 1 yr. Warranty.
This would be a great package over the T7i or even the 77D. Then you could go on line and buy a 70-250 used.

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Jul 1, 2017 13:38:22   #
sirlensalot Loc: Arizona
 
Best value will probably be the 2 lens kit. Costco, B&H, Cameta Camera are good starting places. I think for starting out in the digital world, and considering the price, you can do a lot worse.
The down-side to APS-C cameras (in my opinion) is lack of a wider option for lenses, but not necessarily a deal-breaker for starting out. Canons line of lenses is extraordinary and choices for the future are many.

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Jul 5, 2017 14:48:01   #
DJphoto Loc: SF Bay Area
 
jeep_daddy wrote:
I would skip the T7i and look at the 80D. I handled one the other day and it's a really nice body. It's loaded with bells and whistles. Got one new refurbished from Canon direct for $800
https://shop.usa.canon.com/shop/en/catalog/eos-80d-body-refurbished

Then look into buying a EF-s 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6 IS for $350 This is a great walk around lens
https://shop.usa.canon.com/shop/en/catalog/ef-s-18-200mm-f-35-56-is-refurbished-17976-1


I love my 80D; I got it as my first DSLR in December after two Canon bridge/superzoom cameras. I bought it in a kit from Amazon that was from Digital Goja with the EF-S 18-135 and a bunch of accessories for $1400. The kit came with some other stuff including a sling bag that I really like and a monopod that I also wanted. I can fit the camera, 70-300, 18-135 and 10-18 in a padded case, all 3 lenses with hoods, plus my external flash (Speedlite 270 EX II), 2 extra camera batteries, a dust blower and small bottle of lens cleaning solution and memory cards. It's a bit tight, but it's all there. Plus, there is a loop on the outside of the bag for the monopod or a tripod. The 18-135 is a great walking around lens. I have since added an EF-70-300 (112-480 FF equivalent) and just last week got the EF-S 10-18 and EF-50. I'm heading out in Central Oregon today for the first (other than test) shots with the 10-18. Would I do it all over again? In a heartbeat.

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Jul 5, 2017 15:27:29   #
picsbywayne Loc: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
 
Why to you say that APS-C cameras have a lack of a wider option for lenses? APS-C cameras from Canon can use the full range to interchangeable EOS lenses, both EF and EFs lenses. If anything it is Full Frame Canon camers that are limited, they cannot use EFs lenses. Although if you are choosing a full frame camera, limiting yourself to EF lenses is not much of a problem.

sirlensalot wrote:
Best value will probably be the 2 lens kit. Costco, B&H, Cameta Camera are good starting places. I think for starting out in the digital world, and considering the price, you can do a lot worse.
The down-side to APS-C cameras (in my opinion) is lack of a wider option for lenses, but not necessarily a deal-breaker for starting out. Canons line of lenses is extraordinary and choices for the future are many.

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