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Jun 11, 2017 10:42:27   #
pahtspix
 
I've been using BBF exclusively since Steve Perry came out with his first video on the subject..My capture ratio has improved exponentially! (THX Steve!!)

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Jun 11, 2017 10:47:49   #
joer Loc: Colorado/Illinois
 
rmalarz wrote:
I tried it, didn't like it. I simply take my exposure, press the shutter release 1/2 way to lock the focus and then all the way to take the photograph. I should suspect it comes down to each his own.
--Bob


That's my method as well.

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Jun 11, 2017 10:50:17   #
joer Loc: Colorado/Illinois
 
Jules Karney wrote:
Everybody is right about Steve's video and book. He explains bbf so it is easy to understand.


I like Steve's videos. He present information in a practical manner and is open to alternative views.

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Jun 11, 2017 10:51:36   #
Jules Karney Loc: Las Vegas, Nevada
 
Jaackil wrote:
That is a problem! Watching all the videos in the world will not help with that only practice will. Hang in there with a little practice it will become automatic. But you do need to practice. As far as changing the focus point. I use a single point and very rarely move it from shot to shot. If I am shooting sports for example I put it where I want my subject captured. For most sports it is usually one point down from the top and one or two points to the left and lock it in that usually keeps my subject off center using the rule of thirds. Then I use afc on nikon and keep that dot on what ever I want to capture and hold the focus button down and let the auto focus do the work. You can also try using a group of points but keep the number of points low like 5 or 9 never more. Definately watch Steve Perry's videos. He does a great job of explaining the how's and why's as well as the different techniques. I refer to them often, kind of like a batter going into a batting cage to work on their hitting. I promise you if you stick with it and practice you will never want to go back once you get it. And like learning to ride a bike once you "get it" it will be second nature. Good Luck!
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I agree with you. I use bbf only. I shoot sports and sometimes my finger comes off the button.
Question? Your are well verse with the D500. I am shooting from the first base line. Runner on first takes off for second I follow him and once in awhile the focus point goes off leaving him out of focus. Why would that be? The lens is 80-400 4.5 vr.
Thanks in advance for your suggestions and comments.

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Jun 11, 2017 10:52:29   #
John N Loc: HP14 3QF Stokenchurch, UK
 
I'm persevering with it. A definite plus to lock focus then squeeze the shutter, but I still occasionally wonder why the focus hasn't changed. Perhaps fortunate that I've not lost any shots yet as I get used to it.

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Jun 11, 2017 10:52:38   #
chasgroh Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
...the only time I *don't* use it is when I'm shooting candid one-handed; this act, in and of itself, is fraught with difficulty since I have to remember to put the camera back to BBF and not blow any shots later...heh. Seriously, though, I love the ability to punch the button and I'm focused on exactly the subject I want...of course, when shooting sports multi-sensor (C) it's pushed-down for long (it seems!) periods, but that's a subset of the overall technique and just something else to get used to...

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Jun 11, 2017 11:03:51   #
DJCard Loc: Northern Kentucky
 
WayneT wrote:
Steve Perry, a member here, has and excellent eBook that will explain this procedure to you very well plus a lot more. The name of the book is "The Nikon Autofocus System". You can find it at backcountrygallery.com


Excellent book. I highly recommend.

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Jun 11, 2017 11:19:13   #
DJCard Loc: Northern Kentucky
 
Nikon D750: I've learned to appreciate BBF and have not looked back! I'm set up so tap/release of back button is AF-S and holding back button is AF-C, which makes switching from stationary to moving subjects a breeze! Of course, tap/release AF-S on your target makes recomposing a breeze, as long as your maintain same distance from target. 1/2 push of shutter for metering. Try it!

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Jun 11, 2017 11:25:13   #
Jaackil Loc: Massachusetts
 
Jules Karney wrote:
I agree with you. I use bbf only. I shoot sports and sometimes my finger comes off the button.
Question? Your are well verse with the D500. I am shooting from the first base line. Runner on first takes off for second I follow him and once in awhile the focus point goes off leaving him out of focus. Why would that be? The lens is 80-400 4.5 vr.
Thanks in advance for your suggestions and comments.


Hi Jules I don't know if your question was directed at me or not. I am not familiar with the D500 I shoot with the D7100. I know the D500 has Nikon's newest focusing system and is more sophisticated than the D7100's which is pretty darn good. I am gonna guess that you might be using the 3D tracking or what I think they call matrix mode. I could be wrong on what it is called but it is where you lock the point on your subject and the camera tracks it and moves the focus points. I never use that because it gets easily confused. Especially in low contrast situations or where the color of your subject is not distinctly different enough from the surroundings. I use single point and lock on manually to my subject and pan with their movement keeping the focus button depressed. Steve Perry has an excellent video on this very thing and goes through all the different modes and how they work.
Maybe someone that knows the D500 could answer this better.

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Jun 11, 2017 11:31:03   #
Ricinus Loc: Leduc Alberta
 
Steve Perry wrote:
Thanks so much for the plug Wayne :)

I also have a video that has really helped a lot of people with BBAF:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzqQskGoURE



This is a great video, Thank you!!

Mike

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Jun 11, 2017 11:38:38   #
MrBossHK Loc: The West Valley of Phoenix metro area
 
juicesqueezer wrote:
I used BBF on every Nikon I have owned and now on the Canon 1DX. Steve Perry has a great youtube video on how and why you use this setup. Once you get use to it, you will never go back to conventional ways. Good luck and great shooting!


I strongly urge those wanting to learn the focusing system, especially Nikon, to not only view Steve Perry's videos, but to also purchase his book. He is a gifted and talented expert and his efforts should be supported by those of us who can learn much from him. I am very satisfied with the content of his book and happy with my purchase.

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Jun 11, 2017 11:49:10   #
Jules Karney Loc: Las Vegas, Nevada
 
Jaackil wrote:
Hi Jules I don't know if your question was directed at me or not. I am not familiar with the D500 I shoot with the D7100. I know the D500 has Nikon's newest focusing system and is more sophisticated than the D7100's which is pretty darn good. I am gonna guess that you might be using the 3D tracking or what I think they call matrix mode. I could be wrong on what it is called but it is where you lock the point on your subject and the camera tracks it and moves the focus points. I never use that because it gets easily confused. Especially in low contrast situations or where the color of your subject is not distinctly different enough from the surroundings. I use single point and lock on manually to my subject and pan with their movement keeping the focus button depressed. Steve Perry has an excellent video on this very thing and goes through all the different modes and how they work.
Maybe someone that knows the D500 could answer this better.
Hi Jules I don't know if your question was directe... (show quote)


Yes my question was directed at you. Thank you for getting back to me. I also shoot with a D7100 and really like the bbf on that camera. I am still having trouble with the 500. I would have the focus on single and it would jump off the subject. Sometimes not all the time. Here are two examples. The third shot jumped off a bit. Maybe I am letting my finger off the button to quick. Maybe??


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Jun 11, 2017 11:49:13   #
juicesqueezer Loc: Okeechobee, Florida
 
SusanFromVermont wrote:
I am not sure about whether there are cameras that require the BBF to be kept depressed while pressing the shutter button every time. But for me [Nikon user], the whole point of it is to get the focus, release the button to lock in that focus, then take as many photos as I want [usually from a tripod] without the focus changing! However, if I want to photograph a moving subject, following it with the camera, the BBF is kept depressed while shooting so that the focus will keep changing according to the subject's distance from the camera. [This also requires having settings in the camera selected for continuous AF.]
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Jun 11, 2017 11:55:03   #
juicesqueezer Loc: Okeechobee, Florida
 
Jules, I am assuming you are shooting in AF-C, correct? With my D4 shooting sports on moving targets, I used AF-C and held BBF in while shooting.
In the Canon, it is Ai-servo and I do the same thing!

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Jun 11, 2017 12:04:24   #
nikonbrain Loc: Crystal River Florida
 
I have been using bbf since Thom Hogan's book on the d300 and never looked back.I always hated using the same trigger to take the capture and focus. Always felt awkward to me.On most nikon you can choose focus lock or refocus in set up menu . Plus it allows for better grip on the camera.With two dials one front and and one back on a nikon , the front for f stop the back for shutter speed the thumb for focus index finger on release it leaves your middle for burst bracket. Still leaving the fn button for whatever you assign the last finger before your pinky....

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