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Jun 6, 2017 18:53:26   #
CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!
 
See for yourself. If you judge honestly based on the shooting conditions, lighting, subject tracking, the performance of the two cameras and the results, there was only a slight contest.

The winner will shock you.... or maybe not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX1sfy__7A4

Watch the whole video than tell us what you think...

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Jun 6, 2017 19:09:52   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
CHOLLY wrote:
See for yourself. If you judge honestly based on the shooting conditions, lighting, subject tracking, the performance of the two cameras and the results, there was only a slight contest.

The winner will shock you.... or maybe not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX1sfy__7A4

Watch the whole video than tell us what you think...


Interesting how the Sony wiped out the Nikon.
Interesting to see how the Sony stacks up with the Top sports camera in the world one of these days. Perhaps some one will.

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Jun 6, 2017 20:04:20   #
CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!
 
^^^It's coming... you can bet on that.

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Jun 6, 2017 20:19:17   #
mas24 Loc: Southern CA
 
CHOLLY wrote:
See for yourself. If you judge honestly based on the shooting conditions, lighting, subject tracking, the performance of the two cameras and the results, there was only a slight contest.

The winner will shock you.... or maybe not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX1sfy__7A4

Watch the whole video than tell us what you think...


I watched the video. I created a post on this same camera's ability to qualify as a professional sports photography camera. And you were a contributor. I'm hoping success on the A9. Today, there is no official full frame mirrorless camera in big time professional sports. Canon is the leader now with the 1DX Mark 2. One of the two men in the video was impressed with managing of the menu on the A9, the fast focus and the low light capabilities of it. One of the men said he wished the camera would be larger. First, Sony doesn't believe in huge cameras. One reason it wasn't made to house a XQD card or C-fast card. But, Sony recommends using a fast 128gb and 64gb SD cards in their dual slots. I recently saw a You Tube video addressing another possible problem. Overheating, in such a short period of shooting. At one time, the camera halted due to overheating, then it began shooting again after the camera cooled off. This could have been one lone camera, but if not, this will have to be corrected, possibly by a firmware update.

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Jun 6, 2017 21:44:59   #
CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!
 
The firmware update was pushed TODAY. Testing will reveal how well it solves the overheating warning problem.

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Jun 6, 2017 22:15:59   #
mas24 Loc: Southern CA
 
CHOLLY wrote:
The firmware update was pushed TODAY. Testing will reveal how well it solves the overheating warning problem.


Good news to hear. I hope it will solve the problem.

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Jun 6, 2017 22:33:57   #
mongoose777 Loc: Frisco Texas
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Interesting how the Sony wiped out the Nikon.
Interesting to see how the Sony stacks up with the Top sports camera in the world one of these days. Perhaps some one will.


How did sony wipe out the D5?
The sony is a very impressive camera.
I would still prefer to see the A9 in action for soccer, volleyball, Lacrosse & Football, bc these sporting events will truly test the cameras.
IMO, the tests of one person running towards you and two fighters sparring in the same place are hardly the ultimate of tests.
You still have to factor in the cost of buying new lens and Sony still does NOT make a 400 2.8 lens, which is highly recommended for soccer and football.
I know sony can use an A mounted adapter for other DSLR lens, but it will knock the sony a9 to only 10fps and the focus on both subject tracking (Lock-on AF)
and Eye-AF will be unavailable when using other mounted lenses.
Another huge concern for me would be only 500 shots per battery, unless it has drastically improved, when compared to the D5, which is from 3,500 to 4,500 per
battery usage.
Finally, I would like to see how the future turns out, but would never sell my D5 and the many high end long lens I currently own until the a9 proves otherwise.

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Jun 6, 2017 22:36:59   #
mongoose777 Loc: Frisco Texas
 
mas24 wrote:
I watched the video. I created a post on this same camera's ability to qualify as a professional sports photography camera. And you were a contributor. I'm hoping success on the A9. Today, there is no official full frame mirrorless camera in big time professional sports. Canon is the leader now with the 1DX Mark 2. One of the two men in the video was impressed with managing of the menu on the A9, the fast focus and the low light capabilities of it. One of the men said he wished the camera would be larger. First, Sony doesn't believe in huge cameras. One reason it wasn't made to house a XQD card or C-fast card. But, Sony recommends using a fast 128gb and 64gb SD cards in their dual slots. I recently saw a You Tube video addressing another possible problem. Overheating, in such a short period of shooting. At one time, the camera halted due to overheating, then it began shooting again after the camera cooled off. This could have been one lone camera, but if not, this will have to be corrected, possibly by a firmware update.
I watched the video. I created a post on this same... (show quote)


What makes the canon 1DX mk 2 the new leader? Because you say so?
Please, give me specifics and why you make these allegations.
Provide some legitimate links if you will.

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Jun 7, 2017 00:31:20   #
CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!
 
NO A9 user gets 500 shots on a battery. In fact MOST are reporting several THOUSAND and some even say they are getting between 7-8000 shots. ON A SINGLE CHARGE!

Look it up.

BTW, adapted lenses will give you 15fps or 10fps depending on the lens and adapter used. Yuri even said it in the video above. And if you can still use Eye AF with adapted lenses on the A7RII which I can PERSONALLY verify, then I'm sure you can do it with the MORE advanced A9.

https://www.dpreview.com/news/8141635416/metabones-unlock-native-sony-focus-modes-for-canon-mount-adapters

Got to the 10:00 mark of this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYZw0Un4JiA&t=15s

Reduced frame rate, but full tracking.

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Jun 7, 2017 01:21:23   #
mongoose777 Loc: Frisco Texas
 
CHOLLY wrote:
NO A9 user gets 500 shots on a battery. In fact MOST are reporting several THOUSAND and some even say they are getting between 7-8000 shots. ON A SINGLE CHARGE!

Look it up.

BTW, adapted lenses will give you 15fps or 10fps depending on the lens and adapter used. Yuri even said it in the video above. And if you can still use Eye AF with adapted lenses on the A7RII which I can PERSONALLY verify, then I'm sure you can do it with the MORE advanced A9.

https://www.dpreview.com/news/8141635416/metabones-unlock-native-sony-focus-modes-for-canon-mount-adapters

Got to the 10:00 mark of this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYZw0Un4JiA&t=15s

Reduced frame rate, but full tracking.
NO A9 user gets 500 shots on a battery. In fact MO... (show quote)


C'mon man, to go from 500 to 8000 shots per battery is totally ridiculous to have such a broad range.
Most legitimate reviews out there dont even claim close to those high numbers. So, is there a magic battery out
there that gets such high numbers while others are not so lucky? Which is it really?

D5 and 1DXII were also designed specifically for sports and wildlife while the current glass for both are the biggest assets, meanwhile sony just cannot compete in the super telephoto market. Not even third party companies like a sigma do not offer some of their best long lens in weather-sealed for sony.
Until sony produces a great 400 2.8 lens and many other excellent lens Nikon already has, then I would consider the possibilities of owning the a9.
Nikon still has the better higher rez screen and a much higher ISO rating.
I personally wouldn't mind entertaining the idea of getting the a9 and a medium lens for a 3rd body as I cover most of the major sporting events from college to the pros in the DFW area.

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Jun 7, 2017 04:03:54   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
mongoose777 wrote:
C'mon man, to go from 500 to 8000 shots per battery is totally ridiculous to have such a broad range.
Most legitimate reviews out there dont even claim close to those high numbers. So, is there a magic battery out
there that gets such high numbers while others are not so lucky? Which is it really?

D5 and 1DXII were also designed specifically for sports and wildlife while the current glass for both are the biggest assets, meanwhile sony just cannot compete in the super telephoto market. Not even third party companies like a sigma do not offer some of their best long lens in weather-sealed for sony.
Until sony produces a great 400 2.8 lens and many other excellent lens Nikon already has, then I would consider the possibilities of owning the a9.
Nikon still has the better higher rez screen and a much higher ISO rating.
I personally wouldn't mind entertaining the idea of getting the a9 and a medium lens for a 3rd body as I cover most of the major sporting events from college to the pros in the DFW area.
C'mon man, to go from 500 to 8000 shots per batter... (show quote)


I haven't seen 8000 shots per battery mentioned elsewhere, but the reason for way higher numbers are these burst modes. The new Olympus EM1 can shoot 60! Frame per second. In a short amount time, you can easily end up with 2 or even 3000 shots. Good luck with finding THE shot!

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Jun 7, 2017 04:51:42   #
mas24 Loc: Southern CA
 
mongoose777 wrote:
What makes the canon 1DX mk 2 the new leader? Because you say so?
Please, give me specifics and why you make these allegations.
Provide some legitimate links if you will.


The Canon 1DX Mark 2, released just last year, 2016, was the leading camera for the 2016 Olympics in Brazil. Then it was in use during the 2016 NFL Season. Before that, it was the 1DX as the leader. Both cameras used top grade Canon "L" lenses. The 24-70mm f2.8, the 70-200mm f2.8, and the 400mm f4, or f2.8. These are the preferred lenses of professional sports photographers. Especially pro football.

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Jun 7, 2017 05:48:02   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
mongoose777 wrote:
How did sony wipe out the D5?
The sony is a very impressive camera.
I would still prefer to see the A9 in action for soccer, volleyball, Lacrosse & Football, bc these sporting events will truly test the cameras.
IMO, the tests of one person running towards you and two fighters sparring in the same place are hardly the ultimate of tests.
You still have to factor in the cost of buying new lens and Sony still does NOT make a 400 2.8 lens, which is highly recommended for soccer and football.
I know sony can use an A mounted adapter for other DSLR lens, but it will knock the sony a9 to only 10fps and the focus on both subject tracking (Lock-on AF)
and Eye-AF will be unavailable when using other mounted lenses.
Another huge concern for me would be only 500 shots per battery, unless it has drastically improved, when compared to the D5, which is from 3,500 to 4,500 per
battery usage.
Finally, I would like to see how the future turns out, but would never sell my D5 and the many high end long lens I currently own until the a9 proves otherwise.
How did sony wipe out the D5? br The sony is a ver... (show quote)


Faster and only 1 failure to focus. D5 much slower rate and higher percentage rate of failure to focus. Important in sports.

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Jun 7, 2017 08:47:40   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
CHOLLY wrote:
See for yourself. If you judge honestly based on the shooting conditions, lighting, subject tracking, the performance of the two cameras and the results, there was only a slight contest.

The winner will shock you.... or maybe not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX1sfy__7A4

Watch the whole video than tell us what you think...


Another (faster) comparison. Fortunately, both cameras are out of my price range.

http://www.imaging-resource.com/cameras/nikon/d5/vs/sony/a9/

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Jun 7, 2017 08:56:23   #
StanRP Loc: Ontario Canada
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Interesting how the Sony wiped out the Nikon.
Interesting to see how the Sony stacks up with the Top sports camera in the world one of these days. Perhaps some one will.


Sony wiped out the Nikon? They are both good cameras. Each have an edge over the other in different conditions. As the title puts it, this comparison is with "Real World Sports". While the Sony appears in this review to have the advantage, I do not do "Sports". It would have been better to have the cameras on a tripod for the low level light test. As you can see, the D5 was alternately focusing on the face and the building behind it before taking the photo. With the Sony, it uses a lot of power and gets through batteries. etc. etc.

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