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Jun 3, 2017 22:09:15   #
Cwilson341 Loc: Central Florida
 
joer wrote:
Use a dedicated flash and set the camera to High Speed Sync and a very fast shutter speed.


That certainly did a great job!

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Jun 4, 2017 06:21:44   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
stevec32 wrote:
Probably a dumb question but a lot of pictures of flowers and birds are shot against a black background. My question is what's the best way to achieve that effect? Especially birds in their natural settings in trees.


I've accumulated a lot of links about that.

http://digital-photography-school.com/get-an-invisible-black-background-to-your-portraits-shooting-anywhere-video/
http://www.instructables.com/id/Photograph-a-Black-Background/
http://www.adorama.com/alc/0014344/article/Get-Absolute-Black-Background-for-Portraits
http://photo.stackexchange.com/questions/7762/what-do-i-need-to-get-photos-with-a-unifom-black-background-not-with-post
http://petapixel.com/2013/06/01/quick-and-easy-trick-for-adding-a-black-background-to-your-shots-anywhere/
http://www.apogeephoto.com/may2004/jaltengarten5_2004.shtml

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Jun 4, 2017 06:36:15   #
Linda Ewing Loc: Lincolnshire,UK
 
That is an amazing shot, could you explain what flash, compulsory, strobe means on the readout. I would love to do something like you have done.




Cwilson341 wrote:
I was actually answering the OP's question but you are correct that there are a lot of different ways to get the same end result. Different situations call for different solutions. For me, using a physical background when shooting in my garden or a studio type setting is the easiest. I'm not great with masks! The only pp I find necessary for the background is to apply a black control point to eliminate anying fading from true black that has occurred.

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Jun 4, 2017 06:45:58   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
stevec32 wrote:
Probably a dumb question but a lot of pictures of flowers and birds are shot against a black background. My question is what's the best way to achieve that effect? Especially birds in their natural settings in trees.


Isolation of the bird against a black or DARKENED background can be done before or after you shoot. Before is my favorite, I like to shoot Great Blue Heron's first thing in the morning when I have a strong sun coming in over my shoulder. I like to shoot these birds against a shadowed background as they bring in sticks to build their nests. Exposure is tricky, great blues require an underexposure because they reflect a lot of that sunlight in the morning and your meter will try to lighten the shot because it reads the shadowed background. So, I take an incident light reading (the light reaching the subject, not reflected by it) to make sure the background goes darker, I underexpose the incident light reading by 1 to 2 stops. And wow, my bird stands out against an almost black back ground. The other way to do it would be with layers in post production. But, for me, the challenge is to do it in the camera. My goal in photography is to minimize post production. I try hard anyway.

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Jun 4, 2017 06:54:01   #
rjb2002 Loc: Greenville, SC
 
Check this out:
https://youtu.be/nk9cTa3UthM

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Jun 4, 2017 07:28:44   #
d2b2 Loc: Catonsville, Maryland, USA
 
stevec32 wrote:
Probably a dumb question but a lot of pictures of flowers and birds are shot against a black background. My question is what's the best way to achieve that effect? Especially birds in their natural settings in trees.


There are many ways, as some writers have described. The first of these three was taken with flash; the forest behind her was somewhat distant and darkening, because it was in the shadows of dusk.

The second was illuminated with small photo lamps. The background was a black drape and the leaf was mounted on glass.

The third was simply Photoshopped to fill in a black background. I was trying to do the same thing as the hummingbird shot, but could not fully darken the background.

There are a number of ways to do this. Experiment, experiment, experiment!







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Jun 4, 2017 07:34:02   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
joer wrote:
Use a dedicated flash and set the camera to High Speed Sync and a very fast shutter speed.


Excellent!

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Jun 4, 2017 07:34:27   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
d2b2 wrote:
There are many ways, as some writers have described. The first of these three was taken with flash; the forest behind her was somewhat distant and darkening, because it was in the shadows of dusk.

The second was illuminated with small photo lamps. The background was a black drape and the leaf was mounted on glass.

The third was simply Photoshopped to fill in a black background. I was trying to do the same thing as the hummingbird shot, but could not fully darken the background.

There are a number of ways to do this. Experiment, experiment, experiment!
There are many ways, as some writers have describe... (show quote)



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Jun 4, 2017 07:53:02   #
Padre
 
davidrb wrote:
Steve, the effect of which you speak is achieved by using an aperture to create a very shallow depth of field that blurs background. Very fast lenses allow the user to select apertures in the range of f/1.2 or f/1.4 that give extremely shallow d-o-f. By doing so the background is basically out of focus and sometimes will appear completely black. (The system has prevented me from posting a photograph that would exemplify an elimination of the background). No lectures please, the system screwed up twice.
Steve, the effect of which you speak is achieved b... (show quote)

I believe the "system" is not cooperating because you are attaching Canon raw files rather than jpegs.
Padre

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Jun 4, 2017 08:28:17   #
berchman Loc: South Central PA
 
Gene51 wrote:
I've done it both ways, but to get pure black with a black velvet cloth that absorbs most of the light, you still have to do some post processing. With certain subjects creating and using a mask is far easier and faster, and there is no cleanup required on the background. What? Ten seconds to create a mask and another 5 seconds to create a fill layer with black is faster than fussing with a black background? As far as additional foliage, that just means you create a mask that includes the foliage. When you don't have close access to a flower, such as when you are shooting in a crowed place and you are by yourself, and you are not allowed to shoot with a tripod, the mask and swap background does a great job, and makes an image possible.

The Day Lily was shot at Longwood Gardens, a very popular destination and always crowded. I used a hand held speedlight with a large bounce card attached to it (9x12), and had the camera in the other hand. No tripod, no assistant, no black cloth.
I've done it both ways, but to get pure black with... (show quote)


Does On1 do a better/easier job of creating a mask than Topaz Remask? Was your bounce card homemade or bought?

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Jun 4, 2017 08:34:42   #
advocate1982
 
stevec32 wrote:
I get the small aperture but I don't get how the background be comes so black. I guess there is no trick but to keep doing what I've been doing. Thanks.
Its a lighting thing, not a camera thing. Just pick a position that gives you a dark background while the subject is well lit. Expose for the subject.

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Jun 4, 2017 08:46:36   #
tracs101 Loc: Huntington NY
 
Gene51 wrote:
They aren't really shot against a black background, especially birds.

Create a good mask of the subject. Create a new color fill layer and fill it with black. Move the layer with the subject to the top of the stack. If there is a good contrast and color difference between the subject and the background, the mask creation will go easier. You can do this in Photoshop, but I used On1 for this example. It took 10 secs using their Quick Mask brush to isolate the flower. In this case the mask was very clean and needed no additional edge work.
They aren't really shot against a black background... (show quote)


Stunning photo of the flower. Beautiful.

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Jun 4, 2017 08:56:56   #
RWCRNC Loc: Pennsylvania
 
I set my camera to manual. ISO to 200 ( lowest my camera goes to), f22, ss 250. Look at LCD. If the picture is black then all you have to do is add a flash. I have an L bracket to have the flash off camera. The flash illuminates the subject and the ambient light is black. My flash is also in manual, usually 1/4 power. Don't know how that would work for birds though since you are usually not close.
Hope that helps. There are You Tube videos too.

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Jun 4, 2017 08:59:16   #
RWCRNC Loc: Pennsylvania
 
https://youtu.be/FO9Zy8m3cxw check this out

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Jun 4, 2017 09:06:13   #
stevec32 Loc: Newburyport area
 
Thank you. Informative video.

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