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May 8, 2017 12:34:34   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
imagemeister wrote:
It is not just about stress at the camera/lens junction - although, that can be a concern especially with a loose fitting. Support of the front of the lens becomes significantly important with the extending long zooms and longer shutter speeds IMO. You can attach the support to the collar - and that helps stabilize the extending zoom part and allows rotation to vertical - or you can attach to the camera body and stabilize everything ! - in which case you cannot rotate within the collar and the whole assembly must rotate. My philosophy is, if you are going to the trouble to stabilize - stabilize everything - which may limit going vertical.....
It is not just about stress at the camera/lens jun... (show quote)


These lens supports also help protect the extending zoom portion of large zoom lenses from accidental jolts/knocks that might cause internal damages ....so there is a safety aspect also .....

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May 8, 2017 12:43:18   #
Ranjan Loc: Currently Cyber-Nation!
 
Some of the folks might find these interesting. The last one deals with the tripod mount which also raises weight-bearing concerns from time to time:

http://www.reddit.com/r/photography/comments/2fmrd7/how_strong_are_lens_mounts/?st=j2gcn419&sh=08ba2aab
http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/6-pentax-dslr-discussion/253570-when-lens-too-heavy-camera-mount.html
http://www.quora.com/How-heavy-a-lens-can-you-attach-to-your-camera-body-before-the-lens-mount-breaks
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/57019671
http://photo.stackexchange.com/questions/23634/how-strong-is-the-tripod-mount-on-the-bottom-of-a-dslr

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May 8, 2017 12:46:07   #
RRS Loc: Not sure
 
JaiGieEse wrote:
Well, obviously. I'm fully aware of that. But my Nikon D7000 is NOT light in weight. When I pick up my camera knapsack w/o the camera inside, the difference is VERY noticeable. Which gets us back to my original query. When mounting the camera/lens to a tripod via the lens' tripod mount, leaving the camera supported only by the lens mount, would the mount thereby be subjected to dangerous stress levels?

Back in my film days, I had a big ol' Vivitar 200mm lens, which had a tripod mount. I found a handle with a tripod screw on the end, which fitted nicely to the lens' tripod mount, giving me a very good means of extra support when hand-held.

Obviously, lens diameters differ from manufacturer to manufacturer. Which would seem to almost require each lens builder to design some sort of support plate for a tripod situation, or else third-party gear makers to design plates intended for use with specific lenses.

Fortunately, I use a Nikkor 18-200 zoom, which is relatively light in weight, an therefore, does not need a tripod mount on the lens. But one of these days, I just might buy one of those huge lenses one sees on the sidelines at sporting events, and therefore, the information I seek would indeed be useful.
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The simple answer is no. You sure wouldn't want to mount the camera to the tripod and then mount a lens with a collar because that would put a lot of stress on the point where the camera is mounted to the tripod. As has been said, with a long lens, first mount the lens and then mount the camera to the lens.

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May 8, 2017 12:49:07   #
RRS Loc: Not sure
 
OddJobber wrote:
Really? D7000 is half the weight of the D4 or D5 and the heavier bodies don't have mount failures from the extra weight.


And I was thinking how heavy the Canon 1DXII is.

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May 8, 2017 12:53:43   #
RRS Loc: Not sure
 
JaiGieEse wrote:
That's what I thinking. Could be more than lens manufacturers or third-party manufacturers might wish to get into.


Go and look up RRS and they sell just what you are looking for. It can be adjusted for almost any lens.

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May 8, 2017 13:20:41   #
ecurb1105
 
Metal lens mounts to metal framed bodies are not usually a problem. If you want a rig that supports the body as well as the​ lens, check with Kirk Enterprises or a professional. Cinema supply house

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May 8, 2017 13:39:07   #
chasgroh Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
JaiGieEse wrote:
'Kay, fine. You've made it clear that you feel the issue is of no value. In your case, that's 'nuff said. I remain interested in what others may think, particularly those who've actual experience with larger/heavier lenses (non-zoom, as zoom lenses tend to be lighter in weight by design.)

Oh, and there have been other threads here, centered on the availability of camera straps designed to attach the tripod mounts on the base of the camera. As you say, the manufacturer of these straps obviously feel that the weight of camera/lens can be adequately supported by such a strap design, BUT many who comment here have disagreed.

So, my original question remains, and I am hopeful for more responses.
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I shoot alot with a 200-400 f4 Nikon lens hooked to a D5 (or previous models)...heavy stuff. Monopod hooked to the lens mount, camera floating off the end of the lens. Long days sometimes, never a problem of over-stressing the equipment. I even have Tenba bag that accepts both lens and camera body so I'm packed and ready to fly *fast*...seems to me the equipment is engineered for heavy usage...

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May 8, 2017 13:48:49   #
speters Loc: Grangeville/Idaho
 
JaiGieEse wrote:
There's another thread that has to do with the tripod mount/collar often included on larger, heavier, or longer lenses. This reminded me of something that I've sometimes wondered about - such as, if one has a long lens, heavy lens, mounted to a tripod via the lens' tripod collar, and given that most higher-end DSLR's are NOT light in weight, would one be putting dangerous stress on the lens mount in such a scenario? And has anyone thought of making an extension plate/arm of some sort to allow the camera to mount on the tripod and still provide support for the lens?
There's another thread that has to do with the tri... (show quote)


All DSLR's are light weight, especially when compared to big lenses, there is a lot less stress on the lens mount from a little camera than a lens. One has to figure in length as well (a camera body is very short, but long lenses do exhibit quite a force of leverage as well, due to their length!

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May 8, 2017 13:58:15   #
jimq Loc: Cape Cod, MA
 
Google Benro LH1400, I think that's what your looking for.

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May 8, 2017 13:59:12   #
agillot
 
i solved that problem by making a brace using a metal bar from the hardware store , galvanized and has holes in there , used as a strap to hold things .goes from the body tread to the lens mount .so now the body and lens are one .

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May 8, 2017 14:02:07   #
lautenk2
 
JaiGieEse wrote:
Well, obviously. I'm fully aware of that. But my Nikon D7000 is NOT light in weight. ...


Take a look at the size of the metal lens mount, then take a look at the little 1/4"-20 threaded hole known as the tripod mount on your camera. The lens mount is much stronger. My point is, your camera IS LIGHT WEIGHT compared to the structure of the lens mount. People have been hanging heavier cameras than yours off the end of tripod mounted lenses for a long time. I'm assuming you're not mounting this tripod to an adventure-touring off-road motorcycle, or a rocket.

It could get worse. If you firmly attached a lens to your tripod mount, and then firmly attached the camera to the same tripod mount somehow, and assuming all this stuff is fairly rigid (which it better be, or it's not worth owning) any tiny misalignment in your rig would cause very large stresses in the lens mount (actually, large stresses throughout the entire assembly between the two mounting points) as you tighten up the last part of your assembly. I suppose you could design something adjustable, but that sounds like a lot of time & money spent fabricating and machining a complicated rig for no good reason.

I think you are worried about a non-issue, but I really like that you put independent thought into this structural loading issue. I love this stuff, that's why I commented. BTW, I'm an engineer, and I know how to do the pertinent calculations, but that's a lot of work, and I'm not gonna do it because I think the answer is obvious based on the above arguments.

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May 8, 2017 14:21:34   #
lautenk2
 
amfoto1 wrote:
Well, you've got to use some commons sense... macro extension tubes were loosening often enough that I removed each screw in turn and put some blue Locktite on it. That stopped the loosening. (I've had to do the same with some flash mounting screws. Don't use red Locktite on most things, because it's too strong holding for small screws, and requires heating to release. That can be done carefully with metal to metal parts... but would be risky with plastic parts.)


There is such a thing as purple Locktite, lower strength than blue but strong enough for small expensive things that might need to be disassembled someday, like optics and electronics. You won't see it on the shelf at Pep Boys, but amazon ...

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May 8, 2017 14:39:15   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
agillot wrote:
i solved that problem by making a brace using a metal bar from the hardware store , galvanized and has holes in there , used as a strap to hold things .goes from the body tread to the lens mount .so now the body and lens are one .


Yes, I have done this also - only with aluminum - ALSO, makes a NICE carrying handle !

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May 8, 2017 14:42:16   #
ecurb1105
 
Think of the old 300mm f2 Nikkor on a tripod using the lens tripod mount, add a Nikon F2 body with motor drive and 250 exposure back. Thousands of frames and the rig was solid as a rock. And now Nikon has widened the front body flange to make the mount even stronger.

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May 8, 2017 15:54:55   #
cambriaman Loc: Central CA Coast
 
A well designed camera will take into account that heavy lenses will be used and the mount is built accordingly. Lenses that the manufacturer deems as heavy for known body designs are provided with a tripod mounting ring and implies that the tripod should be on the lens with the camera body unsupported. I have mounted BOTH body and lens on separate tripods for really long focal lengths. I know that works. Obviously you won't be using that set-up for BIF or walk around candids!

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