Health Care for Gov't Emps (Page 2): Try being a vet. The past Administration and congress voted to cap the income of vets in 2003 at 36000 for married and 30000 for single unless you...

marine73 Loc: Modesto California

Try being a vet. The past Administration and congress voted to cap the income of vets in 2003 at 36000 for married and 30000 for single unless you were injured in combat or had some other service connected disability. Since I make more than that I am out of luck unless I get one of 18 cancers that have been listed for those that served at Camp Lejeune NC. I was told today to talk to my county Veterans Service Officer since there are changes coming again to the medical benefits for Vets. Will see what happens. I am tired of carry a photo of my DD214 around to get military discounts.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

marine73 wrote:

Try being a vet. The past Administration and cong... (show quote)

You served honorably. Did the right thing. And the government should take care of all our veterans.
This is so sad as to what happened to you regarding this matter as the government(Politicians) are more concerned with buying votes from a permanent welfare class and giving away the store to them including complete healthcare including vision and dental. Yet a veteran who honorably served and gave up a portion of his life in the defense of this nation is denied care. Yes there is a dollar limit which is wrong that you can earn. All veterans should be eligible because of service for VA medical benefits. The only exception is those benefits are immediately denied permanently if the veteran is convicted of any felony (Sort of like a dishonorable discharge for criminal activity denies you those same benefits.
Thank you for your service.

romanticf16 Loc: Commerce Twp, MI

Architect1776 wrote:

Health care is an individual responsibility and has nothing to do with congress or the government.
There is absolutely no right to government health care or government mandated heath care or government paid for health care.

Unless you are a member of congress, in which case you have lifetime coverage.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

romanticf16 wrote:

Unless you are a member of congress, in which case you have lifetime coverage.

They have no right to it either. It is totally wrong they get it or even a pension after being in congress. It was and is not intended to be a profession and is an evil distortion to make it so.

canarywood1 Loc: Sarasota,Florida

romanticf16 wrote:

Unless you are a member of congress, in which case you have lifetime coverage.

And you can bet your life you won't see them tampering with that.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

canarywood1 wrote:

And you can bet your life you won't see them tampering with that.

Animal Farm, some animals are more equal than others.

Paul J. Svetlik Loc: Colorado

Obamacare is apparently out and Trumpeteercare is in. Good for you if you are a billionaire or better. Why the World's most advanced health care plans are not applicable to the USA?

canarywood1 Loc: Sarasota,Florida

Paul J. Svetlik wrote:

Obamacare is apparently out and Trumpeteercare is in. Good for you if you are a billionaire or better. Why the World's most advanced health care plans are not applicable to the USA?

Don't bet on it.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

canarywood1 wrote:

Don't bet on it.

Why not get the government 100% out of the healthcare business seeing as it is none of the government's business anyway. Healthcare should be 100% a private affair. Let the government do important things like protect our borders from our enemies. The premise that the government should do anything is false therefore the argument is flawed from the start as it is not in the list of responsibilities enumerated for the government to do anyway.

artlover Loc: NM

When I worked full time we paid $50 per month, USPS paid $500 per month. I retired 24.8 yrs ago. I found out that retirees are treated
very well. The union had complained several months ago about PRE-PAYMENT for 5 yrs in advance. Now it works in their favor.

Look at what is happening to non-funded medical & pension plans?

Govt took away food & energy COLA for SSI & pensions, about 8 yrs ago.

artlover Loc: NM

Did you see any news about AMAZON & USPS package deal? Price cuts for their millions of packages. Under cutting UPS & FedEx.

USPS will make M$$$$$$ in revenue! The USPS is coming back from being wounded. In large cities more Sunday deliveries?

GeorgeH Loc: Jonesboro, GA

Architect1776 wrote:

Why not get the government 100% out of the healthcare business seeing as it is none of the government's business anyway. Healthcare should be 100% a private affair. Let the government do important things like protect our borders from our enemies. The premise that the government should do anything is false therefore the argument is flawed from the start as it is not in the list of responsibilities enumerated for the government to do anyway.

Arch, I've said in the Sewer/Attic that those who fulminate about the ACA should have a look at T R Reid's "The Healing of America." I doubt that many have. Here's a link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Healing_of_America While Reid doesn't discuss the French model, it is worth looking at. Here's a link: https://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/11/health-care-abroad-france/ Not so long ago I read an article in either the Washington Post or the New York Times by a man who'd suffered a major heart problem in France. He survived and wasn't impoverished. Imagine his fate in the US under the healthcare model prior to the ACA.

To expect healthcare to be a 100% per cent private concern is fallacious. A "free market" exchange implies that the consumer is informed/able to make rational choices in advance of the immediate need. I am not a medical doctor, nor are you. You or I can probably decide which car is a good choice for purchase, can either of us choose which Emergency Care is the proper venue after an auto accident? I couldn't after an auto crash just after Thanksgiving 2016. Thankfully I was covered under MediCare, that damnable government program! The roughly $11,000 tab for a chest Xray, a chest MRI, blood tests and such was covered, and I had "only" to deal with my car insurance. BTW, I was NOT at fault! However the young turd who t-boned me driving someone's car with expired insurance left me with a "deductible" of about $1000. Go figure!

Please realize that while supposedly the Constitution leaves many things to the States, we all benefit from areas not enumerated in that Sacred Document. For example, reasonably consistent weights and measures. Good that a gallon of fuel is the virtually the same anywhere in the US, as is a glass of water. We all drive on the same side of the road, and traffic laws are somewhat uniform.

Your avatar shows you with the cowl of an aircraft. I wonder whether you'd want to fly without some assurance that other pilots have serviced their planes by an FFA certified mechanic within the specified intervals?

Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska

GeorgeH wrote:

Arch, I've said in the Sewer/Attic that those who fulminate about the ACA should have a look at T R Reid's "The Healing of America." I doubt that many have. Here's a link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Healing_of_America While Reid doesn't discuss the French model, it is worth looking at. Here's a link: https://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/11/health-care-abroad-france/ Not so long ago I read an article in either the Washington Post or the New York Times by a man who'd suffered a major heart problem in France. He survived and wasn't impoverished. Imagine his fate in the US under the healthcare model prior to the ACA.

To expect healthcare to be a 100% per cent private concern is fallacious. A "free market" exchange implies that the consumer is informed/able to make rational choices in advance of the immediate need. I am not a medical doctor, nor are you. You or I can probably decide which car is a good choice for purchase, can either of us choose which Emergency Care is the proper venue after an auto accident? I couldn't after an auto crash just after Thanksgiving 2016. Thankfully I was covered under MediCare, that damnable government program! The roughly $11,000 tab for a chest Xray, a chest MRI, blood tests and such was covered, and I had "only" to deal with my car insurance. BTW, I was NOT at fault! However the young turd who t-boned me driving someone's car with expired insurance left me with a "deductible" of about $1000. Go figure!

Please realize that while supposedly the Constitution leaves many things to the States, we all benefit from areas not enumerated in that Sacred Document. For example, reasonably consistent weights and measures. Good that a gallon of fuel is the virtually the same anywhere in the US, as is a glass of water. We all drive on the same side of the road, and traffic laws are somewhat uniform.

Your avatar shows you with the cowl of an aircraft. I wonder whether you'd want to fly without some assurance that other pilots have serviced their planes by an FFA certified mechanic within the specified intervals?

Arch, I've said in the Sewer/Attic that those who ... (show quote)

Really good thinking George. Here's the difference: the person you replied to has an ideology and cares about nothing else. You are looking to solve problems and ideology is not part of it.

Your approach is clearly the correct way!

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

GeorgeH wrote:

Arch, I've said in the Sewer/Attic that those who fulminate about the ACA should have a look at T R Reid's "The Healing of America." I doubt that many have. Here's a link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Healing_of_America While Reid doesn't discuss the French model, it is worth looking at. Here's a link: https://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/11/health-care-abroad-france/ Not so long ago I read an article in either the Washington Post or the New York Times by a man who'd suffered a major heart problem in France. He survived and wasn't impoverished. Imagine his fate in the US under the healthcare model prior to the ACA.

To expect healthcare to be a 100% per cent private concern is fallacious. A "free market" exchange implies that the consumer is informed/able to make rational choices in advance of the immediate need. I am not a medical doctor, nor are you. You or I can probably decide which car is a good choice for purchase, can either of us choose which Emergency Care is the proper venue after an auto accident? I couldn't after an auto crash just after Thanksgiving 2016. Thankfully I was covered under MediCare, that damnable government program! The roughly $11,000 tab for a chest Xray, a chest MRI, blood tests and such was covered, and I had "only" to deal with my car insurance. BTW, I was NOT at fault! However the young turd who t-boned me driving someone's car with expired insurance left me with a "deductible" of about $1000. Go figure!

Please realize that while supposedly the Constitution leaves many things to the States, we all benefit from areas not enumerated in that Sacred Document. For example, reasonably consistent weights and measures. Good that a gallon of fuel is the virtually the same anywhere in the US, as is a glass of water. We all drive on the same side of the road, and traffic laws are somewhat uniform.

Your avatar shows you with the cowl of an aircraft. I wonder whether you'd want to fly without some assurance that other pilots have serviced their planes by an FFA certified mechanic within the specified intervals?

Arch, I've said in the Sewer/Attic that those who ... (show quote)

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

GeorgeH wrote:

Arch, I've said in the Sewer/Attic that those who fulminate about the ACA should have a look at T R Reid's "The Healing of America." I doubt that many have. Here's a link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Healing_of_America While Reid doesn't discuss the French model, it is worth looking at. Here's a link: https://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/11/health-care-abroad-france/ Not so long ago I read an article in either the Washington Post or the New York Times by a man who'd suffered a major heart problem in France. He survived and wasn't impoverished. Imagine his fate in the US under the healthcare model prior to the ACA.

To expect healthcare to be a 100% per cent private concern is fallacious. A "free market" exchange implies that the consumer is informed/able to make rational choices in advance of the immediate need. I am not a medical doctor, nor are you. You or I can probably decide which car is a good choice for purchase, can either of us choose which Emergency Care is the proper venue after an auto accident? I couldn't after an auto crash just after Thanksgiving 2016. Thankfully I was covered under MediCare, that damnable government program! The roughly $11,000 tab for a chest Xray, a chest MRI, blood tests and such was covered, and I had "only" to deal with my car insurance. BTW, I was NOT at fault! However the young turd who t-boned me driving someone's car with expired insurance left me with a "deductible" of about $1000. Go figure!

Please realize that while supposedly the Constitution leaves many things to the States, we all benefit from areas not enumerated in that Sacred Document. For example, reasonably consistent weights and measures. Good that a gallon of fuel is the virtually the same anywhere in the US, as is a glass of water. We all drive on the same side of the road, and traffic laws are somewhat uniform.

Your avatar shows you with the cowl of an aircraft. I wonder whether you'd want to fly without some assurance that other pilots have serviced their planes by an FFA certified mechanic within the specified intervals?

Arch, I've said in the Sewer/Attic that those who ... (show quote)

Flying is not a right and can be denied any time the government wishes just like driving.
If the consumer is too stupid to figure out their own healthcare that does not mean the government has a responsibility to step in and do it for them. The state government requires a certain level of competency in a doctor or Architect and that is all You as a consumer have the responsibility to choose who you want. Go cheapest and you wind up with what you pay for. If there is competition prices are affordable, basic economics.
If government intervenes then prices are artificially skewed and shortages occur etc. Sort of like N Korea or the old Soviet Union or like England where they decide if you live or die and the European court tells England who lives and dies.