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May 2, 2017 11:57:32   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
Several people have suggested top quality manual lenses in this thread. However, the OP was very clear that he was interested in "the best ever made autofocus 35mm prime".

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May 2, 2017 12:19:33   #
Mike Danahy
 
burkphoto wrote:
Hi, Mike. Google "35mm lens test reports" and you'll probably get what you need.

Sorry for the lecture. I am always writing for the noobs who read this as an archive, as much as I was commenting to you. I had no quick way to know your experience level.

I guess your question got me on the soap box because so many here are fixated on the gear, rather than the technique or the creative spark. It's easy for them to focus on aspects of their work that matter less than having a point and the knowledge of how to state it.

Hardware is a means to an end, not the end. To disagree with Marshall McLuhan, "The medium IS NOT the message." The MESSAGE is the message (or payload).
Great gear is nice to have, eases the way, enhances technical quality at the margins... so long as it doesn't get in the way.

Yet, as evidenced by the presence of lots of mediocre images made with high end equipment, many photographers buy high end gear, hoping it will substitute for high end knowledge and real experience.

All that said, I'd look at the Sigma ART lenses, Sony mount Zeiss lenses, and the high end Canon/Nikon offerings. If you want character, look at Leica glass.
Hi, Mike. Google "35mm lens test reports"... (show quote)


Thank you very much. I too have been bitten by questions posed by newbies to SLRs or DSLRs.

"Which is better...Canon or Nikon?" "But this must a better lens..it zooms a long way."

If somebody really pins we down and seems serious, I recommend a full frame body with a good 50. And I recommend that they take it with them everywhere and take images of everything.

I'll post some pics with "pop" and "less pop" in another thread sometime.

Again thanks...

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May 2, 2017 12:54:25   #
Robert Bailey Loc: Canada
 
Mikeroetex wrote concerning my comments on the ratings by www.dxomark.com :
"Doesn't the score also depend on the camera you pair it with?"

That is exactly true. I wrote dxomark an email about this one time and to my surprise they responded.
The number in the "main" list is the highest number that lens scored. The rating will vary a bit depending on the camera body the lens is tested on.
The original questioner, who is in pursuit of ultimate perfection, stated that he was willing to buy whatever body he had to to go with the lens.
If he carries out this premise with other lenses he could end up with a lot of lens/body combinations!

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May 2, 2017 13:17:24   #
FramerMCB Loc: Northern, ID (formerly Portland, OR area)
 
Mike Danahy wrote:
Thanks for the lecture. I started with a Russian twin lens reflex in 1967. Been "making images" a long time. Your statement that hardware is sort of irrelevant to the art of image making is total BS. The hardware is a means.

My point was to gather the experiences of other photographers who already tested and compared.

Mike...


The best 35mm hmm? Well...the new Canon 35mm f1.4L MkII is a stellar performer. Nearly perfect according to many reviewers and owners/users of the lens - just check out some of the buyer reviews at B&H. The Sigma 35mm 1.4Art is also a great lens (there are some reported autofocus issues/consistency problems, at least with the Canon EOS mount version). Zeiss and Leica both make 35mm manual focus lenses which are probably at or near the top at least from a build perspective and in optical performance. Then there's the newer Tamron 35mm f1.8 with VC (vibration compensation) that is highly rated. Zeiss makes a newer autofocusing 35mm f1.4 exclusively in the Sony mount that looks like a good performer too. And I haven't even begun to list 35's by Fujinon, Pentax/Sumicron, Olympus, etc... The Fujinon 35mm f/2 get's 5-star user reviews at B&H - 176 of them.

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May 2, 2017 13:22:33   #
SS319
 
Perhaps, if it is pop you are missing, you should look to a different film... In the days of film photography, you would use different films - both by company and by emulsions to achieve the look you were looking for. In today's digital world, you adjust the way the sensor modifies the light before it records it to memory. Perhaps bumping up the contrast in camera will give you the pop you are looking for, perhaps it is an adjustment of the RGB values.

Digital Cameras come from the factory setup with Kodak 100 film or Fugi 100 film, but that same camera has the ability to exceed KodaChrome 25 if that is where you need to be, or it can be set up to give results rivaling portra film for portraits.

Sigma is making the class glass of the Pacific region right now - it is the reason Canon tried to buy them and the reason Sigma declined Canon. And Sigma will allow you to buy two lenses for each Canon or Nikon you were looking to buy.

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May 2, 2017 13:22:52   #
FramerMCB Loc: Northern, ID (formerly Portland, OR area)
 
Here's an idea - either a Nikon D810 paired with the 1.4G you currently have. Or a Sony A7R II, Metabones (most recent version) adapter, and the Canon 35mm f/1.4L Mk II (or paired with Canon's 5D Mk IV or DX Mk II). Or I would check out a Fuji body (like the XT-1) paired with the Fujinon 35mm f/2...

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May 2, 2017 13:57:10   #
asiafish Loc: Bakersfield, CA
 
Gene51 wrote:
Having owned Leica and Contax, I can tell you not everything from their glassworks is exceptional. Though most lenses are very good, certainly as good as most others, and their very best are pretty special. That being said, the OP has not indicated the type of shooting she does.


I own the current model of Leica's best 35mm lens, the 35mm f/1.4 Summilux ASPH FLE, and also own the current Canon 35mm f/1.4 L mk II. The Canon and Leica are both essentially flare-free and perfect at any aperture and any distance, but the Canon is more resistant to color fringing and while not marketed as such, is pretty much apochromatic. Both are exceptional, but (and it pains me to say it) the Canon is the slightly better lens.

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May 2, 2017 13:59:34   #
asiafish Loc: Bakersfield, CA
 
Robert Bailey wrote:
https://www.dxomark.com/lenses/launched-between-1987-and-2017/focal-from-35-to-35/launch_price-from-0-to-13000-usd/lens_zoom-prime#hideAdvancedOptions=false&viewMode=list&yDataType=global

This is the list of 35 mm lenses that dxomark has tested.
Someone recommended a Nikon lens- the top ranked one only gets a score of "36" compared to the Sony Carl Zeiss with a score of "44".


DXO only measures resolution, and only with whatever particular sensor it was paired with at time of testing. DXO also doesn't measure bokeh or rendering, just cold, hard numbers which are far from what make a lens great.

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May 2, 2017 14:10:23   #
Mike Danahy
 
Robert Bailey wrote:
Mikeroetex wrote concerning my comments on the ratings by www.dxomark.com :
"Doesn't the score also depend on the camera you pair it with?"

That is exactly true. I wrote dxomark an email about this one time and to my surprise they responded.
The number in the "main" list is the highest number that lens scored. The rating will vary a bit depending on the camera body the lens is tested on.
The original questioner, who is in pursuit of ultimate perfection, stated that he was willing to buy whatever body he had to to go with the lens.
If he carries out this premise with other lenses he could end up with a lot of lens/body combinations!
Mikeroetex wrote concerning my comments on the rat... (show quote)


LOL.. "Lens/body combinations"

I'm busted. Been trialing varies mirrorless cameras as my "travel camera"... last one was the Fijifilm x100 which I used on a cruise down the Danube. The images were great...but i just couldn't get used to it. My D750 with my trusty ole 24-70 was still my bread and better. (My D4 stayed home on this trip.)

Going traveling to Eastern Europe this Fall and want to go light. (I'm typically carrying a 500 in my hand when I board a plane.) I'm amazed at the number images that I take with 24-70 that I zoom to 35. If I have a 35 that has the sharpness and contrast of my nikkor 50 AF-S G 1.8 for people shots, and still wide enough for interior shots of cathedals, I'll have what I want for this trip. (Not expecting to do any birding.)

I have been reading about the Hassey X1D. Not sure I would totally benifit from that kit. Going to look at buying a Canon with the highly regarded 35. Going to look a Fuji again. I wish Zeiss would do an auto focus.

So back to your point... I may indeed buy a body to fit that superb 35 prime that I discover suites my picture taking habits.

Thanks for your post.

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May 2, 2017 14:41:09   #
danorman2
 
The 50mm f2.0 Leica Summicron would be in the running.

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May 2, 2017 14:55:11   #
Mike Danahy
 
RobbieAB wrote:
I know this is slightly mis-interpreting the question but...

The Schneider-Kreuznach 35mm LS f/3.5 "Blue Ring" lens for Phase One and Mamiya 645 cameras I have seen reviewed as "potentially legendary glass". Might be a bit expensive with the body and back needed to drive one though.

https://www.phaseone.com/en/Products/Camera-Systems/Lenses/Schneider-Kreuznach-35mm-LS.aspx


Thanks... I have looking "over the fence" at the medium format world. (120 film is where I started.) The Mamiya is highly regarded as are the S-K lenses.

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May 2, 2017 15:51:31   #
RichardSM Loc: Back in Texas
 
Mike Danahy wrote:
Thanks for all your comments including the deep philosophy. (Yes really)

I probably misstated my original complaint of missing some pop. I'm getting very very very good images from the 35 1.4, but to my critical eye they still don't quite measure up to what I get from my 85 or 50 or my 300. (I could be off here folks.) I like what you all like: good color; sharp; non distracting bokeh.

This will probably come as sacrilige, but I never shoot a face wide open. I find it weird to have nose hair in focus but the back of head blurry.

Thanks again.

If any of you want to see what kind of silly pics I take:

FACEBOOK: Mike Danahy

INSTAGRAM: tough_as_a cream_puff
Thanks for all your comments including the deep ph... (show quote)


If you get closer to your subject matter with your 35mm lens it may appear to pop for you. You did state that the other three lenses do better at pop you are looking for. Fill the frame in your photo.

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May 2, 2017 17:43:53   #
whitewolfowner
 
One of the sharpest lenses made is the Sigma 70mm f2.8 macro lens that they made several years ago. Link provided below for Amazon. Also, a very sharp prime lens is the Nikon 85mm f1.8 AF lens introduced in 1988 and upgraded to the "D" chip in 1994. It is as sharp as the 85mm f1.4 lens but at a much cheaper price. And one of the sharpest of all time is the older 105mm f2.5 lens Nikon put out in 1959-60. If you seek this lens make sure it is AI or has been modified for today's camera models.

Sigma 70mm F/2.8 EX DG Macro Lens for Nikon Digital SLR Cameras (OLD MODEL)

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May 2, 2017 19:09:34   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
whitewolfowner wrote:
One of the sharpest lenses made is the Sigma 70mm f2.8 macro lens that they made several years ago. Link provided below for Amazon. Also, a very sharp prime lens is the Nikon 85mm f1.8 AF lens introduced in 1988 and upgraded to the "D" chip in 1994. It is as sharp as the 85mm f1.4 lens but at a much cheaper price. And one of the sharpest of all time is the older 105mm f2.5 lens Nikon put out in 1959-60. If you seek this lens make sure it is AI or has been modified for today's camera models.

Sigma 70mm F/2.8 EX DG Macro Lens for Nikon Digital SLR Cameras (OLD MODEL)
One of the sharpest lenses made is the Sigma 70mm ... (show quote)


According to DXOmark scores the Sigma 70mm you refer to is far from one of the sharpest lenses made, although it may be a very competent lens. In fact every good zoom I looked at encompassing that focal length was sharper by a significant amount. Perhaps back in the day it was considered a very sharp lens, but by today's standards, not so much.

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May 2, 2017 19:55:29   #
mffox Loc: Avon, CT
 
I'm with you. My idea of a good photo is what catches my eye and my attention, and is pleasing. I might then look for the EXIF data to see what I might glean by way of learning to do better, but I'm not looking for the ultimate body/lens/flash/tripod.etc.But then, I'm a hobbyist, not a professional.
burkphoto wrote:
Whatever one I have on my camera when I need it!

Chasing hardware absolutes is sort of irrelevant to the art of image-making. It's nice to have a good lens, but no one other than a photographer looks at a great photo and says, "Wow! Look at what that super-multi-coated, anti-astigmatic, apochromatic wonder glass 35mm lens did."

Almost any lens can yield crappy results or good results. Be sure you are not using too small an aperture for the sensor size in use. Diffraction rears its ugly little head as you stop the lens down past the "diffraction limiting of sharpness" aperture. That's somewhere around f/5.6 on Micro 4/3, f/7.1 on APS-C or DX, and f/9 on full frame. Diffraction limits sharpness, reduces contrast, and mutes/smears colors.

When you buy a lens, put it on a tripod and photograph a highly detailed scene at every aperture on the lens, using a fixed ISO and a shutter speed range that will allow correct exposure at all apertures. Compare the images at 100% on a monitor. That will tell you what you can expect...
Whatever one I have on my camera when I need it! ... (show quote)

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