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Apr 22, 2017 09:37:57   #
ole sarg Loc: south florida
 
You been smoking that crack pipe again! Illegals do not get social security though they pay into it if they are on payroll!





Architect1776 wrote:
Your analysis is all wrong. A majority of those on SSI never paid into it or very little. All the older illegals get it from the start and never paid into it. Those on SSDI get it when reaching the proper age. Those who never worked get it as well. So while you might have worked and put a little bit in you are paying for a whole lot of freeloaders. And what little if any you paid into Medicare does not even come close to covering even a year of medical benefits received unless you are healthy like me and go once a year for a physical and are not hooked on a bunch of stupid designed drugd as society seems to be today. PS my father at 94 sees the doctor about as much as I do and no drugs too.
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Apr 22, 2017 10:46:19   #
Steven Seward Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
 
btbg wrote:
What you just pointed out is exactly why conservatives are opposed to social security. If the federal government had let me invest my money instead of taking it to supposedly give me a partial retirement package I would already be retired and living comfortably.

In the past you have railed against Republicans for wanting to do away with social security, but you have just identified exactly why we don't like it.

As long as there is social security the government will take from the young and give a small piece of it to the elderly. Instead the government would insure that almost everyone could retire comfortably by requiring us to invest the 6.5 percent that is currently taken for social security and having the employer continue to pay their 6.5 percent into the program until those who are already on social security are gone.

They could gradually phase out the program and as more elderly die gradually have the employer begin putting their portion of the money into the individuals retirement plan instead of social security.
This might cause some pain for a few of us that are nearing retirement age, but would sure be better for our children, because you are absolutely right social security is a ponzi scheme and always has been.
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Great analysis! I'm not sure John F. even knew this when he posted the letter.

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Apr 22, 2017 10:58:58   #
Steven Seward Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
 
FlyingTiger wrote:
This is very old news. This e-mail has been going around for at least 15 years. Not surprising that it just caught up to a dimwit like you. BTW, it was the Democrats that instigated the name change/description, NOT the Republicans. Your post is a lie.

I'm not surprised!

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Apr 22, 2017 11:00:19   #
dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma
 
ole sarg wrote:
SS was always part of the general fund!

Look it up!


Sarge take break.

The Social Security Trust Fund has never been "put into the general fund of the government

comes from a confusion between the financing of the Social Security program and the way the Social Security Trust Fund is treated in federal budget accounting. Starting in 1969 (due to action by the Johnson Administration in 1968) the transactions to the Trust Fund were included in what is known as the "unified budget." This means that every function of the federal government is included in a single budget. This is sometimes described by saying that the Social Security Trust Funds are "on-budget." This budget treatment of the Social Security Trust Fund continued until 1990 when the Trust Funds were again taken "off-budget." This means only that they are shown as a separate account in the federal budget. But whether the Trust Funds are "on-budget" or "off-budget" is primarily a question of accounting practices--it has no effect on the actual operations of the Trust Fund itself.

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Apr 22, 2017 11:12:41   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Your analysis is all wrong. A majority of those on SSI never paid into it or very little. All the older illegals get it from the start and never paid into it. Those on SSDI get it when reaching the proper age. Those who never worked get it as well. So while you might have worked and put a little bit in you are paying for a whole lot of freeloaders. And what little if any you paid into Medicare does not even come close to covering even a year of medical benefits received unless you are healthy like me and go once a year for a physical and are not hooked on a bunch of stupid designed drugd as society seems to be today. PS my father at 94 sees the doctor about as much as I do and no drugs too.
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I sure would like to see a reference that supports your statement that the majority of people on SSI never paid into it.

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Apr 22, 2017 11:32:53   #
Steven Seward Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
 
Bazbo wrote:
I sure would like to see a reference that supports your statement that the majority of people on SSI never paid into it.

I haven't looked into it, but if you just look at the percent of the population that holds down a job, it has been around 60%, yet everybody gets benefits, whether you ever worked or not.

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Apr 22, 2017 11:47:40   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
Steven Seward wrote:
I haven't looked into it, but if you just look at the percent of the population that holds down a job, it has been around 60%, yet everybody gets benefits, whether you ever worked or not.


Again, looking for data, not anecdotes or opinions.

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Apr 22, 2017 11:50:08   #
DSLR Loc: NV
 
Come on, now! The administration of SS is just "Democracy in action!"

Cynicism intended.

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Apr 22, 2017 12:01:48   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
FlyingTiger wrote:
This is very old news. This e-mail has been going around for at least 15 years. Not surprising that it just caught up to a dimwit like you. BTW, it was the Democrats that instigated the name change/description, NOT the Republicans. Your post is a lie.



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Apr 22, 2017 12:23:40   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
The stat that never seems to be taken into consideration is the fact that many people don't live to collect what they paid in to SSI. My brother is only 59 and won't live to see 60, my friend Mike died at 61, Mother died at 60, friend Steve died at 56, boss Vince died at 44, I could go on. Those people all paid in and will not collect a dime of SSI.

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Apr 22, 2017 13:06:12   #
Steven Seward Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
 
Bazbo wrote:
Again, looking for data, not anecdotes or opinions.

Okay, if you're so smart, why don't you look up some data. At least I gave an informed perspective.

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Apr 22, 2017 14:12:34   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
Steven Seward wrote:
Okay, if you're so smart, why don't you look up some data. At least I gave an informed perspective.


It wasn't my assertion. Too much work to back up what you assert or are opinions good enough for you?

Whether your perspective is informed or not depends on if it is based on anything other than opinions.

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Apr 22, 2017 15:03:00   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
jeep_daddy wrote:
The stat that never seems to be taken into consideration is the fact that many people don't live to collect what they paid in to SSI. My brother is only 59 and won't live to see 60, my friend Mike died at 61, Mother died at 60, friend Steve died at 56, boss Vince died at 44, I could go on. Those people all paid in and will not collect a dime of SSI.


One small portion of millions who live way beyond the intended death anticipated.

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Apr 22, 2017 16:31:18   #
FRENCHY Loc: Stone Mountain , Ga
 
Steven Seward wrote:
The DirtBag just threw the Bush comment in there because he hates everything Republican. It matters to him not one bit if Democrat Presidents did the same thing.




Yep, the ass forget to mention that Lyndon Johnson start this BS on a grand scale

Before Lyndon the account was doing pretty good thank you !

Lets reverse this to a civilian control , instead of assholes politic BS

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Apr 22, 2017 17:30:40   #
Checkmate Loc: Southern California
 
dirtpusher wrote:
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