Nikon D5 vs Nikon D810 (Page 5): I understand your point but you are not taking the crop factor into account...and If you take diffraction (but not lens errors) into account and...

catchlight.. Loc: Wisconsin USA- Halden Norway

Dan De Lion wrote:

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I understand your point but you are not taking the crop factor into account...and

If you take diffraction (but not lens errors) into account and consider the maximum achievable resolution of different cameras expressed in lines per picture height, then you see that the Canon 5Ds is the ideal camera right now for realizing the highest possible resolution.

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blue-ultra Loc: New Hampshire

Well when it come to high quality video GO Pro goes a long way for the dollar. They create amazing videos. The big drag back is it is wide angle only. However their stabilization is awesome, and they keep improving.
I know this will cause a stir but hey, we can discuss these things and still be friends...:-)

catchlight.. Loc: Wisconsin USA- Halden Norway

blue-ultra wrote:

Well when it come to high quality video GO Pro goes a long way for the dollar. They create amazing videos. The big drag back is it is wide angle only. However their stabilization is awesome, and they keep improving.
I know this will cause a stir but hey, we can discuss these things and still be friends...:-)

I love Go Pro and have been using 4 units in my work for several years. The stills can be very good under the right conditions. The video is great in 4k...

Friends for sure...;-)

mongoose777 Loc: Frisco Texas

yssirk123 wrote:

Heartily agree on the D3S - there is just something about that particular sensor that hit the sweet spot.

I 100% agree, I still miss both of my D3s bodies for that smooth beautiful look at lower ISO.

mongoose777 Loc: Frisco Texas

DavidPine wrote:

Don't overlook the D500 for sports coupled with the new 70-200 FL. It's awesome.

David, You are so correct its just a wonderful combination to have. I simply love it as I have
my D5 with my 400 FL for the big lens.

DaveHam Loc: Reading UK

At some point people are going to stop equating the number of pixels with the cost of a camera body.

The D5 is a professional camera built like a tank capable of sustained, fast, high ISO shooting, a workhorse for professional photographers who have extreme needs in certain areas of their work. The D810 is a slower, less flexible body that appeals to users who want to take their time over a shot and don't care about 11fps or working above ISO3200. You are paying for the performance of the D5 not a cost per pixel.

There are so many differences between the two cameras apart from the number of pixels that a brief check on Google will outline in good detail.

mongoose777 Loc: Frisco Texas

catchlight.. wrote:

... I think you are trying to justify an old camera and creating myths.

D3s MK4

DxO Overall Score 82 91
DxO Color Depth 23.5 24.8
DxO Dynamic Range 12.0 13.6
DxO Low Light ISO 3253 2995

Sorry brother,
But, I can care less about DxO ratings, I personally base what images look like coming out of the camera from real world paying gigs.
The images from the D3s are still very remarkably smoother than the D5/D500 & D4s, but I need the speed for fps and focusing.

mongoose777 Loc: Frisco Texas

Dan De Lion wrote:

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Dan, IMO you hit it right on the nail to best describe the D5 sensor and the newer lenses.
Yes, the lower ISO performance is good enough, but Id prefer the D810 for those events.

mongoose777 Loc: Frisco Texas

jackpi wrote:

Interesting: The D500 is better in noise than the D5 below ISO 800 and gives up one stop to the D5 above ISO 800. It also gives up one stop in Dynamic Range. And has a maximum frame rate with full AF/AE of 10fps vs 12fps. But it gains back the one stop on ISO and DR if you compare images shot from the same distance with the same lens because the D5 would need a 1.4TC to produce the image size in the frame (subtract one stop). And you save $4,500.

Yeah, but i still prefer my D5 over the D500 for the main camera and a variety of reasons, albeit I simply love the D500 for the money.
Hey, how do you like your 300PF lens for indoor sporting events?

DavidPine Loc: Fredericksburg, TX

DXO hasn't reviewed the new Nikon 70-200 FL on the D810 but I have. I also have the 70-200 VRII (which I gave to my grandson) and I think it is
the sharpest lens I have ever owned. It appears to have a much greater dynamic range on the D810 but I don't know that to be a fact. The four button focus is awesome and it is tack-sharp. I'm a real happy camper.

Dan De Lion wrote:

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In-lightened Loc: Kansas City

DavidPine wrote:

DXO hasn't reviewed the new Nikon 70-200 FL on the D810 but I have. I also have the 70-200 VRII (which I gave to my grandson) and I think it is
the sharpest lens I have ever owned. It appears to have a much greater dynamic range on the D810 but I don't know that to be a fact. The four button focus is awesome and it is tack-sharp. I'm a real happy camper.

I am not completely clear about which lens is the sharpest you have ever owned...the new 70-200 FL or the VRII? In either case, lucky grandson!
Thanks!

catchlight.. Loc: Wisconsin USA- Halden Norway

mongoose777 wrote:

Dan, IMO you hit it right on the nail to best describe the D5 sensor and the newer lenses.
Yes, the lower ISO performance is good enough, but Id prefer the D810 for those events.

Resolution can be a choice over speed but I think many should look at more of a balance.

There are reasons to choose the middle ground bodies. Specialized cameras have a place for sure and pros in particular venues choose them...
but isn't a jack of all trades more desirable in most cases.

The 810 is a fantastic well rounded choice. Data will show it has superior resolution at a very desirable 36mp over most other cameras. It does everything well, not just one thing perfect. Hard to beat a camera like this for portrait or landscape.

The Canon 5Dmk4 is another well rounded choice. Again the crop factor from the extra pixels matter.

Dan De Lion Loc: Montana

oldtigger wrote:

i read several of the sigma/nikon articals but couldn't find that statement do you recall which artical it was in?

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Sorry, it was the DxO review of the new Sigma 85mm f1.4 Art lens. DxO's sharpness collulm list sharpness in terms of the maximum number of pixels a lens is capable of using. For example that Sigma lens scores a 36 with a D810 body. For the Nikkor 50mm f1.8 D on an 810 the score is 24. That tells us you'll get the same results with that lens whether the lens is on a 24 or 36mp body. The 24-70 VR Nikkor comes in at 20 on an 800E body. So you would get the same results with that lens on a 20mp, 24mp, or 36mp body.

For a real shock look at the $1069 Nikkor 28-300 FF VR. Its score is 11 on an D800E. Using that lens on your 800E wastes 25mp, but keeps a bloated 36mp sized files.

Note that D8xx images are further degraded by the slightest camera movement and by using f stops greater than f6.7.

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Bill_de Loc: US

mongoose777 wrote:

Sorry brother,
But, I can care less about DxO ratings, I personally base what images look like coming out of the camera from real world paying gigs.
The images from the D3s are still very remarkably smoother than the D5/D500 & D4s, but I need the speed for fps and focusing.

Does it really matter what the image looks like? Photography is about physics, mathematics and statistical data.

That is why so many people discuss it and never post a picture.

Get your priorities straight!

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DaveO Loc: Northeast CT

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