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Feb 3, 2017 12:11:19   #
DSLR Loc: NV
 
The "speed" of a computer is primarily controlled with the CPU. Other factors contribute the a computer's speed; RAM, CPU and HDD (or the faster SSD) working together determine actual processing speed. Therefore, coupling more RAM to a slow CPU will not increase speed; coupling a fast CPU with insufficient RAM - same result. Running several applications concurrently also affects computer speed.
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Anything over 16gb is likely overkill unless you specifically know you need it (such as for video editing or audio post-production). For most users with a "fast" CPU, 8gb of RAM is usually sufficient, 16gb should suffice, 32gb - 64gb likely not beneficial.
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The only thing that additional RAM does is allow your computer to do more things at once, not actually make it faster.

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Feb 3, 2017 12:15:22   #
DWU2 Loc: Phoenix Arizona area
 
16GB.

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Feb 3, 2017 12:20:25   #
rcdovala
 
Szalajj wrote:
Buy as much as you cam afford! Hardware has it's limits on just what they will recognize, so you really need to do your homework ahead of your purchase! 16GB isn't really enough when you're working on photos, especially if you tend to leave multiple shots open at the same time. Or if you tend to have multiple windows and documents open at the same time! Think about how you use a computer on a regular basis! Do you play any games? P

Updates and new programs are hardware hungry! Make sure that your hard drive is at least double what you'll need to load all of your software to start! Make sure that your processor is strong enough to handle everything that you intend to install. Windows 7 updates over the last 6 months have basically obsoleted most of my computers, and I'm going to have to upgrade in the near future! They ran out of hard drive space, and I had to remove any files that I could without compromising the operating systems!

I would look at 32GB or 64GB of RAM at the very least!

As I read some of the other responses, I have to agree with the 64 Bit OS. And the gaming video card makes sense if you can afford that upgrade!

Dell computers are proprietary, and you will be restricted to purchasing most of your hardware updates or expansions directly from Dell! This is especially true about memory sticks, processors, and mother boards! Not all hardware is expandable or upgradable within the confines of your computer case, especially with Dell products!

Yes they offer a great financing package, but it restricts what you can add to their computers in the future!

Working with Lightroom, you also want to grab the other two pieces of software that come with it at no additional cost, even if you don't intend to use them right now! Bridge and Photo Shop! It's like pulling teeth to get them at a later date. So make sure that your hardware can handle everything that you might plan to do with it!
Buy as much as you cam afford! Hardware has it's ... (show quote)


I don't understand why you say that "It's like pulling teeth to get them at a later date." First, Adobe Bridge is a free download and always has been. Secondly, if you're enrolled in the Creative Cloud pay as you go program, Photoshop and any updates will be available for download at any time via the CC panel. In fact, the CC panel is how Adobe distributes its updates. And with regard to your recommendation of 64 GB of RAM, most motherboards will not accommodate 64 GB of RAM since most max out at 32 GB of RAM and some at 16 GB.

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Feb 3, 2017 12:23:52   #
Jim Plogger Loc: East Tennessee
 
jimjjc wrote:
I will be buying a new desk top very soon. I have never done any post processing before(minimal at best). I intend to buy a Dell with latest processor, etc. I will be getting LR/ Elements and probably more. What do you have and/ or recommend as minimal RAM? I know, as much as you can afford...doesn't cut it as an answer. At what point is it overkill vs. required.


As much as you can afford! 16 gb is plenty for now but will it be plenty two years from now?

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Feb 3, 2017 12:24:11   #
chasgroh Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
Erik_H wrote:
I would respectfully differ, I have a desktop and a laptop, both have i7 processors and solid state drives. The main difference is that the desktop has 32 gb ram and the laptop has 16. The desktop blows the laptop away. Granted, the desktop has a discreet video card and the laptop is integrated with the motherboard, but I'm talking about program load times and overall performance, not just graphics rendering.


...what he said...

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Feb 3, 2017 12:30:54   #
Paul Sr Loc: Colorado Springs, CO
 
Just a suggestion: go to crucial.com and run the scanner on your system. It will not only tell you what you have, but what you may add to your system.

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Feb 3, 2017 12:40:25   #
old man 88 Loc: Palmview, TX when not on road
 
Nothing less than 32 GB for Adobe PS & LR

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Feb 3, 2017 12:56:03   #
Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA
 
Lets put this in auto terms. Do you want (and want to pay for) a Toyota Camry, a Porsche, or a Lamborghini? 16GB is the Camry, 32GB is the Porsche, and 128GB is the Lamborgini. I drive a Camry and have 16GB, win 10 64 bit, a 2GB video card and an intel i7 processor running at about 3GHz, and a 1TB SATA 7800 rpm drive on my desktop. I back up to a 500GB usb drive that can fit in my shirt pocket. I also don't exceed 80 mph. Photoshop loads in 2 seconds, and Premiere Pro loads in anywhere from 4 to 16 seconds. If they both loaded in 1 second it wouldn't make much difference to me.

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Feb 3, 2017 13:23:12   #
markngolf Loc: Bridgewater, NJ
 
Consider 16 GB RAM, latest generation i7 processor. Two drives - 500 GB SSD for Operating System and 2 TB Sata for data storage, including photos, and 2GB Graphics Processor.
I have this configuration with 32 GB RAM and 1 TB SSD for Operating System. Mine is an older i7 processor. Win 10 Pro, 64 bit.
Enjoy & good luck. You won't go wrong with a Dell or ASUS. Order directly.
Mark

jimjjc wrote:
I will be buying a new desk top very soon. I have never done any post processing before(minimal at best). I intend to buy a Dell with latest processor, etc. I will be getting LR/ Elements and probably more. What do you have and/ or recommend as minimal RAM? I know, as much as you can afford...doesn't cut it as an answer. At what point is it overkill vs. required.

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Feb 3, 2017 13:36:40   #
dandi Loc: near Seattle, WA
 
DSLR wrote:
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The only thing that additional RAM does is allow your computer to do more things at once, not actually make it faster.

That's my understanding also.

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Feb 3, 2017 14:04:02   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
jaimeblackwell wrote:
Remember this Dell is proprietary. I n many cases you have to use dell components to make your Dell run right. If custom you can pick your hardware as you see fit.


OK Jaimie, please put some facts behind your claim that Dell is "proprietary" when compared with any other PC system, self assembled or otherwise, especially when considering a desktop. Dell conforms to many industry standard formats, so important things like memory, disks, graphics cards, and so on should not be a problem.

Also, Dell has pretty rigorous QA procedures. If you want to do DIY computers you need to know what you are doing. You may know, but most users do not.

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Feb 3, 2017 14:41:28   #
BigGWells Loc: Olympia, WA
 
go the biggest that the new computer will handle. Memory is cheap. My desktop has 64g. Better to have too much and not need it, than have to little and need it.

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Feb 3, 2017 14:45:16   #
DSLR Loc: NV
 
Dell has a huge presence in the business/commercial market, where the cost of computer maintenance may not be a priority matter. Should Dell use proprietary hardware, maintenance of like kind hardware may be less costly than having to use several different sources for components.
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Several years ago I intended to add a component to a Dell computer, for what or for whom I do not recall, which was a Dell priority part the cost of which was about double the cost of typical. I declined. Also, I came into possession of an Acer small factor computer with a bad mother board. The only source of a replacement was from Acer. New motherboard: the price of an identical new Acer. Bye Bye Acer!

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Feb 3, 2017 15:44:25   #
suihk
 
Does anyone use a Mac?

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Feb 3, 2017 15:49:16   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
jimjjc wrote:
I will be buying a new desk top very soon. I have never done any post processing before(minimal at best). I intend to buy a Dell with latest processor, etc. I will be getting LR/ Elements and probably more. What do you have and/ or recommend as minimal RAM? I know, as much as you can afford...doesn't cut it as an answer. At what point is it overkill vs. required.


I'd say 8GB minimum, 16GB preferred... and the option to expand to 32GB in the future would be nice, but will bring less benefit with current software than going from 8 to 16 does.

Using an SSD as your C: drive, with operating system and your various programs, will also help a lot.

Don't store important data on an SSD, though. Have a secondary standard HDD (and preferably a backup for that), to archive anything you'd find irreplaceable. SSD are nice and fast, fine for anything you can easily reinstall or repair should it be necessary, but still a bit risky for longer term storage of critical files.

Photoshop also likes to have a separate "scratch disk" that it uses for periodic saves, history and such. It's most important that this be a "separate drive" from the one the software resides upon. Ideally, for best performance I'd make it a second, small SSD. It also can be an HDD, though... Optionally it can be a partitioned off, dedicated portion of the HDD mentioned above (100GB or more, I'd suggest), if preferred or running out of room for drives.

Get a graphics accelerator card (or two). This should have it's own separate RAM... min of 1GB and many now have 2GB or more.

Do lots and lots of research before settling on a monitor. If at all possible, spend more for a wide gamut (Adobe RGB close to 100%) graphics quality. The bigger the better, though prices go through the stratosphere for the largest. Prices range from around $400 US and up (I don't know current models, mine is about 6 or 7 years old, so I can't make a specific recommendation).

For post-processing, be sure to get a calibration suite: software and hardware device. Otherwise, even with the best monitor you'll be mis-adjusting everything. Right out of the box, virtually all monitors are too bright (which will cause you to make your images too dark).... and most aren't all that accurate in color rendition. They simply must be calibrated, if you want accurately post-processed images.

PLUS, over time all monitors change, so it's important to re-calibrate them periodically (I run calibration on mine every 60 days). If you do much printing, a calibration device such as a Datacolor Spyder, Pantone Huey, or X-Rite ColorMunki will eventually pay for itself in savings of wasted paper and ink (if you print at home) or reprints (if you outsource your printing).

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