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Feb 2, 2017 08:21:17   #
cthahn
 
An external hard drlve in a fireproof safe.

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Feb 2, 2017 08:46:48   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
cthahn wrote:
An external hard drlve in a fireproof safe.


IMHO, fireproof safes are overrated. A fire may not damage the safe, but if you immerse a metal box in a pile of glowing embers for a couple days, whatever is inside will come up to the temperature of the embers eventually. It may not damage the metal box, but that's not what your files are written on.

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Feb 2, 2017 09:47:29   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
dirtpusher wrote:
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Dirt, don't you just take yours up into the clouds and store them there?

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Feb 2, 2017 09:53:03   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
1000 years? Hype. That's a very large extrapolation. And irrelevant, anyway, even if true.

Technology changes. Things become obsolete. Storage media are no exception. How long were CDs state-of-the-art? Probably no more than 5% of that 1000 years will pass before the M-Disk is obsolete. Something better will come along.

For one thing, they're too small. 100 GBytes? Not enough. I have 1.2 TBytes of image data. After about 10 years of digital photography. I'm taking more photos than I was at the beginning of my digital photography period, and the images are getting larger so the files are also. I expect that in another 10 years I'll need more than 5 TBytes storage. Are you getting into video? Large files on steroids. You'll probably want 10-100 TBytes storage before too long.

If you're going to back up your files (and not just the image files, but everything else on your computer also) you shouldn't depend on any one technology. Change is the only thing that's permanent. At this point you have to distinguish between backup and archiving. Archiving is saving stuff for posterity that you probably won't be using much (but someone else will). Backup is for current stuff that you might want to use again within a few years.

Archiving requires more than backup. It requires some rosetta stone to be included so that the future data users can identify what's in the archive. And how to find it, and how to interpret it. It's not enough to have an image file. The image has to have associated keywords, ID of people and locations in the image, some explanation of what's going on. You've got all that stuff in your head, but you have to make your head available to the people that will follow you.

At any rate, both backup and archiving require maintenance. When technology changes you have to transcribe all your stuff onto the new technology (maybe after a couple years so they can work the bugs out). Otherwise you will have a closet full of wire recordings with no player.
1000 years? Hype. That's a very large extrapolatio... (show quote)


So all my paper player piano rolls might be obsolete some day?

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Feb 2, 2017 09:58:35   #
dcampbell52 Loc: Clearwater Fl
 
davidls911 wrote:
What is the best source to store images? Currently I am using my computer to store all my images. I also back up my computer each week with a 3 TB hard drive.
Is there a better place to store images, the cloud or just an external hard drive???


Personally, I have 3 external 4tb usb 3 drives that I use for backup. I also have a (Personal Western Digital Cloud Chassis) The WD Cloud is available in a 3tb or 4tb and then larger chassis that will take multiple Sata drives. I use it for access from traveling to backup my images while on the road and also to give customers previews of images I've shot for them.

The 4tb USB3 drives I do a backup of my images and Lightroom catalogs etc. every Mon. Wed. and Friday. The most current backup is kept in the house. The second is in the garage and the oldest (which is never more than a week old is in my safe deposit box at the bank. This protects me from most man made or natural disasters (including hurricane though earthquake may be an issue). If I have an issue I can get ahold of one of my backups and be back up and running in a couple of hours. And, Yes I test the entire procedure every 6 months.

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Feb 2, 2017 10:07:09   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
davidls911 wrote:
What is the best source to store images? Currently I am using my computer to store all my images. I also back up my computer each week with a 3 TB hard drive.
Is there a better place to store images, the cloud or just an external hard drive???


With technology improving by the minute, there are many ways to store your images. Since external hard drives are so inexpensive, this is probably the #1 way of storing them. I store mine on a 4TB external drive and back them up on another 4TB external HD. I used to use 1TB external drives, but then the USB3 externals came down in price to I upgraded to the USB 3, 4TB drives about 2 years ago. I also found that using solid state drives inside the computer breathed new life into it as well so I installed 3 of them into my computer.

Solid state external drives are starting to come down in price and USB 3.1 which is double the speed of USB 3.0 is out now. So I suppose when they become larger and more affordable I will upgrade to those eventually.

I've never been a fan of clouds, because they are extremely slow hampered by the limits of your internet speeds. When you are talking about 3TB of data that needs storing, it would take 3 weeks to upload and/or 3 weeks to download from the cloud. Seriously!

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Feb 2, 2017 10:19:16   #
Elliott
 
RAID box to have backup in house and cloud
Elliott

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Feb 2, 2017 10:19:22   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
jeep_daddy wrote:
With technology improving by the minute, there are many ways to store your images. Since external hard drives are so inexpensive, this is probably the #1 way of storing them. I store mine on a 4TB external drive and back them up on another 4TB external HD. I used to use 1TB external drives, but then the USB3 externals came down in price to I upgraded to the USB 3, 4TB drives about 2 years ago. I also found that using solid state drives inside the computer breathed new life into it as well so I installed 3 of them into my computer.

Solid state external drives are starting to come down in price and USB 3.1 which is double the speed of USB 3.0 is out now. So I suppose when they become larger and more affordable I will upgrade to those eventually.

I've never been a fan of clouds, because they are extremely slow hampered by the limits of your internet speeds. When you are talking about 3TB of data that needs storing, it would take 3 weeks to upload and/or 3 weeks to download from the cloud. Seriously!
With technology improving by the minute, there are... (show quote)


I'm sure it will be a long while (if ever) before Gbit fiber becomes available in rural areas, but here in Raleigh and many other major cities, we have 2 Gbit fiber internet providers (Google and AT&T) and cable at 300Mb down/60Mb up. At Gbit speeds, assuming the actual data rate is half the spec., it takes ~ 4-1/2 hours to download 1TB (and <14 hours for 3TB) if my math is correct. At those speeds, the cloud is a very viable alternative, even for large data sets.

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Feb 2, 2017 10:20:30   #
SusanFromVermont Loc: Southwest corner of Vermont
 
davidls911 wrote:
What is the best source to store images? Currently I am using my computer to store all my images. I also back up my computer each week with a 3 TB hard drive.
Is there a better place to store images, the cloud or just an external hard drive???

If your computer has sufficient storage space, there is no harm in having them there, as well as backed up to an xHD. What you are missing are added backups. You may believe that if your computer failed, you would be safe with the xHD. And maybe you would be right. BUT all HDs can fail, for multiple reasons, and at least one more additional back up drive is a good idea.

Professional photographers are right to be fanatic about ensuring the safety of their images. This is why off-site storage and/or cloud storage are so often recommended. This works for those of us who are not pros, but only if we want to go to the trouble and expense. Ask yourself how you would feel if all copies of your images disappeared at once. That ought to tell you whether you ought to go for some additional storage away from your home/studio/office... The nice thing about xHDs is they can be moved to another site, and buying them is a one-time expense. I have not tried Cloud storage, but my understanding of it is you can access your images from any computer, so if something happens to your other backups and computers you can use another computer and retrieve them all.

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Feb 2, 2017 10:40:07   #
dcampbell52 Loc: Clearwater Fl
 
SusanFromVermont wrote:
If your computer has sufficient storage space, there is no harm in having them there, as well as backed up to an xHD. What you are missing are added backups. You may believe that if your computer failed, you would be safe with the xHD. And maybe you would be right. BUT all HDs can fail, for multiple reasons, and at least one more additional back up drive is a good idea.

Professional photographers are right to be fanatic about ensuring the safety of their images. This is why off-site storage and/or cloud storage are so often recommended. This works for those of us who are not pros, but only if we want to go to the trouble and expense. Ask yourself how you would feel if all copies of your images disappeared at once. That ought to tell you whether you ought to go for some additional storage away from your home/studio/office... The nice thing about xHDs is they can be moved to another site, and buying them is a one-time expense. I have not tried Cloud storage, but my understanding of it is you can access your images from any computer, so if something happens to your other backups and computers you can use another computer and retrieve them all.
If your computer has sufficient storage space, the... (show quote)


Susan, You can get a WD "Personal" Cloud which you own and maintain in your home or business for about $160 for a 4tb drive. The 2 TB drive is about $130 or so. They also have a usb connect so that you can add a 3tb external usb drive to the cloud. I have a 4tb personal cloud and this. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=&sku=1244355&gclid=Cj0KEQiAzsvEBRDEluzk96e4rqABEiQAezEOoFzomUYosHHnr9U-ew8EU70KSJqqgX3cS7e_jP_9FI8aAs578P8HAQ&Q=&ap=y&m=Y&c3api=1876%2C92051678882%2C&is=REG&A=details
In which I have 4 drives 4tb each. They are both accessible from the internet and all sit inside my firewall so that they are protected from unauthorized access. I use the 16tb for my "cloud" backup and it really could be located anywhere that had internet access. If my office wasn't in my home, then I could that the cloud at home and back my office computers up to it. Just food for though. I also that the 4tb personal cloud and I got it from Sam's Club. I think I paid about $140 or so for it 3 years ago and it still works fine. In fact, I liked it so much that I bought the Chassis Personal cloud and the drives to populate it. By the way, since it holds 4 drives, you can buy the drives one at a time and add as necessary.

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Feb 2, 2017 10:58:04   #
smithro3
 
Baring natural disasters, the safest and most protected storage is to contract with an offsite storage company, such as Iron Mountain. Of course they are not cheap but it is probably the safest way. You can do daily, weekly, monthly or even yearly. Depends what you can spend. I my self back up on an external hard drive and also backup my data on a usb 64gb flash drive. Of couse if I have a fire and my house burns down, I'll lose my backups... I think I would have bigger problems then losing my data if I lost me house...

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Feb 2, 2017 11:13:13   #
Jack 13088 Loc: Central NY
 
Look us Jacques Lowe in Wikipedia.

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Feb 2, 2017 11:25:02   #
jimmya Loc: Phoenix
 
davidls911 wrote:
What is the best source to store images? Currently I am using my computer to store all my images. I also back up my computer each week with a 3 TB hard drive.
Is there a better place to store images, the cloud or just an external hard drive???


There has been a lot of talk about cloud storage in the last many months but I don't trust them. I keep a current folder on my computer and back up all others to DVD. I've also heard it said that DVD's will fail but I've had no experience with that either. I have some DVD's from around
2002 and so on - no problems, still readable. Best of luck.

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Feb 2, 2017 11:33:40   #
SusanFromVermont Loc: Southwest corner of Vermont
 
dcampbell52 wrote:
Susan, You can get a WD "Personal" Cloud which you own and maintain in your home or business for about $160 for a 4tb drive. The 2 TB drive is about $130 or so. They also have a usb connect so that you can add a 3tb external usb drive to the cloud. I have a 4tb personal cloud and this. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=&sku=1244355&gclid=Cj0KEQiAzsvEBRDEluzk96e4rqABEiQAezEOoFzomUYosHHnr9U-ew8EU70KSJqqgX3cS7e_jP_9FI8aAs578P8HAQ&Q=&ap=y&m=Y&c3api=1876%2C92051678882%2C&is=REG&A=details
In which I have 4 drives 4tb each. They are both accessible from the internet and all sit inside my firewall so that they are protected from unauthorized access. I use the 16tb for my "cloud" backup and it really could be located anywhere that had internet access. If my office wasn't in my home, then I could that the cloud at home and back my office computers up to it. Just food for though. I also that the 4tb personal cloud and I got it from Sam's Club. I think I paid about $140 or so for it 3 years ago and it still works fine. In fact, I liked it so much that I bought the Chassis Personal cloud and the drives to populate it. By the way, since it holds 4 drives, you can buy the drives one at a time and add as necessary.
Susan, You can get a WD "Personal" Cloud... (show quote)

I looked at the link, and $500 is a bit beyond my needs. The WD Personal Cloud device is $179 and has mixed reviews. I have a WD 4TB "My Book" which is functioning very well, automatically backing up my images daily. I may settle for another of those and store one at the bank...

Still not sure about Cloud storage!

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Feb 2, 2017 11:39:25   #
davidls911
 
Thanks for all the suggestions and comments. I really appreciate all your thoughts and suggestions........

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