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Jan 30, 2017 06:44:55   #
Howard5252 Loc: New York / Florida (now)
 
Wingpilot wrote:
While reading on a D7200 forum this morning, a person posted that he is interested in the D7200 and was asking about lenses. Anyway, on poster stated that the D7200 comes from the factory set soft, and that a new owner needs to go into the menu to picture control and set sharpness to +9 for optimum sharpness. I went into picture control and found I could set it to standard, flat, vivid, etc., but no numbers. Right below that was another picture control section that says I can set up "C-1-xx" for example. Going farther into that menu, there was a screen with something resembling a keyboard. Rather than screw things up, not knowing what all this is, I decided to ask the guru's here what all these numbers and letters mean. Thanks.
While reading on a D7200 forum this morning, a per... (show quote)

This is what your friend was probably talking about ... Go to MENU SETUP > Select AF FINE TUNE. This adjustment allows you to make small adjustments in the focusing of the camera. Nikon recommends that this adjustment be used "... only when required". GOOGLE "AF FINE TUNE" for a more detailed explanation.

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Jan 30, 2017 07:11:57   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Wingpilot wrote:
While reading on a D7200 forum this morning, a person posted that he is interested in the D7200 and was asking about lenses. Anyway, on poster stated that the D7200 comes from the factory set soft, and that a new owner needs to go into the menu to picture control and set sharpness to +9 for optimum sharpness. I went into picture control and found I could set it to standard, flat, vivid, etc., but no numbers. Right below that was another picture control section that says I can set up "C-1-xx" for example. Going farther into that menu, there was a screen with something resembling a keyboard. Rather than screw things up, not knowing what all this is, I decided to ask the guru's here what all these numbers and letters mean. Thanks.
While reading on a D7200 forum this morning, a per... (show quote)


I doubt that Nikon sets up its cameras to be out of focus. I've never felt the need to play around with the focus setting in the Menu or to adjust certain lenses for sharpness.

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Jan 30, 2017 07:33:49   #
Bultaco Loc: Aiken, SC
 
ed b photo wrote:
One thing I liked about Nikons use of the sensors ability to moderate auto settings verses
manuel settings. The 7100 - 25 mega pixel sensor is not hardly any different over the faster buffer in the 7200 series. Both are great cameras. I duggest you can take a Nikon class for under 100 bucks and learn way more than messing with the settings. Learn about their flash methods an then the settings really come into play. Mere play has better results in the manuel mode an really understanding the light in ambient metering an basic compus useage with reflective highlites. My best suggestion is to learn how use gradation filters by tiffon.
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What has this to do with the OP's question?

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Jan 30, 2017 09:22:30   #
StanRP Loc: Ontario Canada
 
Hi,

I have the earlier D7100 and had some 'funny things' happening. It was recommended to take the battery out - then press the button to turn the camera on to clear any charge. Then to put the battery back in and do a full reset. It has worked fine since then.

Stan

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Jan 30, 2017 09:27:07   #
Dngallagher Loc: Wilmington De.
 
jerryc41 wrote:
I doubt that Nikon sets up its cameras to be out of focus. I've never felt the need to play around with the focus setting in the Menu or to adjust certain lenses for sharpness.


FWIW - I have used the DOT-TUNE method to set several lenses of mine to match the LIVE VIEW focus when using viewfinder - viewfinder is faster focus, but LIVE VIEW focus is sharper.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zE50jCUPhM

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Jan 30, 2017 10:16:49   #
Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak
 
I bought the focusing pyramid from Amazon and did an AF fine tune on all my lenses. The 18-140 was spot on, and the others required a bit of adjustment. I haven't been out to see how that goes now, due to foul weather. I have to say that I was a bit disappointed in the pyramid. It cost $25.00, and is just made of heavy paper! I expected more. Anyway, my original question stemmed from another person who had a question on a D7200 forum, who thought his camera was a bit soft, out of the box. He was advised to adjust it via the picture control feature in the menu. So my question was what does all that mean? By the way, I shoot both JPEG and RAW, depending on what I'm doing. And I can't say that my camera was soft--a lens, maybe, but not necessarily the camera. I've got a Tamron 28-300 macro, older model, that is definitely on the soft side. So much so that I just don't bother using it.

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Jan 30, 2017 10:24:36   #
Dngallagher Loc: Wilmington De.
 
Wingpilot wrote:
I bought the focusing pyramid from Amazon and did an AF fine tune on all my lenses. The 18-140 was spot on, and the others required a bit of adjustment. I haven't been out to see how that goes now, due to foul weather. I have to say that I was a bit disappointed in the pyramid. It cost $25.00, and is just made of heavy paper! I expected more. Anyway, my original question stemmed from another person who had a question on a D7200 forum, who thought his camera was a bit soft, out of the box. He was advised to adjust it via the picture control feature in the menu. So my question was what does all that mean? By the way, I shoot both JPEG and RAW, depending on what I'm doing. And I can't say that my camera was soft--a lens, maybe, but not necessarily the camera. I've got a Tamron 28-300 macro, older model, that is definitely on the soft side. So much so that I just don't bother using it.
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What it means - any change to picture control effects JPG processing in the camera - so by adjusting those picture control parameters you are adjusting how the camera processes the JPG image that comes from the raw data. If you shoot raw and make use of the MFG software to process the raw file, it will take into account the picture control settings and process accordingly, it will also allow you to select and adjust as needed. If you process the raw file in anything but the manufacturers software, the picture controls will be ignored.

If a shot is not sharp when focused, picture control is not going to fix it, picture control is jpg processing after the fact. Out of focus is out of focus.

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Jan 30, 2017 10:28:57   #
Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak
 
Dngallagher wrote:
What it means - any change to picture control effects JPG processing in the camera - so by adjusting those picture control parameters you are adjusting how the camera processes the JPG image that comes from the raw data. If you shoot raw and make use of the MFG software to process the raw file, it will take into account the picture control settings and process accordingly, it will also allow you to select and adjust as needed. If you process the raw file in anything but the manufacturers software, the picture controls will be ignored.

If a shot is not sharp when focused, picture control is not going to fix it, picture control is jpg processing after the fact. Out of focus is out of focus.
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That is my assessment, regarding focus. I was unaware that the picture controls would be ignored by other than the MFG software. I may need to download the Nikon NX software. Thanks.

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Jan 30, 2017 11:00:09   #
RRS Loc: Not sure
 
Wingpilot wrote:
I bought the focusing pyramid from Amazon and did an AF fine tune on all my lenses. The 18-140 was spot on, and the others required a bit of adjustment. I haven't been out to see how that goes now, due to foul weather. I have to say that I was a bit disappointed in the pyramid. It cost $25.00, and is just made of heavy paper! I expected more. Anyway, my original question stemmed from another person who had a question on a D7200 forum, who thought his camera was a bit soft, out of the box. He was advised to adjust it via the picture control feature in the menu. So my question was what does all that mean? By the way, I shoot both JPEG and RAW, depending on what I'm doing. And I can't say that my camera was soft--a lens, maybe, but not necessarily the camera. I've got a Tamron 28-300 macro, older model, that is definitely on the soft side. So much so that I just don't bother using it.
I bought the focusing pyramid from Amazon and did ... (show quote)


If the camera is "soft" out of the box the first thing to check is fine tune. I shoot Canon and was not happy after spending $10,000.00 on a lens and body that my images were "soft. I bought Lens Align and moved up to Focus Tune with the long ruler for long lenses. Look it up and watch and re-watch the video. The sharpest focus point may not be where you want it with regards to DOF. I have minimal sharpening in camera as I only shoot RAW and do all my sharpening in PP. To get sharp images you have to start with sharp and out of focus or soft will not work no matter how much PP you do.Don't get hung up when someone show you an image from their viewing screen on their camera and it looks so much sharper then yours. You never know just how much sharpening they have tuned in.

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Jan 30, 2017 11:06:01   #
Dngallagher Loc: Wilmington De.
 
RRS wrote:
If the camera is "soft" out of the box the first thing to check is fine tune. I shoot Canon and was not happy after spending $10,000.00 on a lens and body that my images were "soft. I bought Lens Align and moved up to Focus Tune with the long ruler for long lenses. Look it up and watch and re-watch the video. The sharpest focus point may not be where you want it with regards to DOF. I have minimal sharpening in camera as I only shoot RAW and do all my sharpening in PP. To get sharp images you have to start with sharp and out of focus or soft will not work no matter how much PP you do.Don't get hung up when someone show you an image from their viewing screen on their camera and it looks so much sharper then yours. You never know just how much sharpening they have tuned in.
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Also a good practice to check that your focus point is actually where you wanted it.

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Jan 30, 2017 12:12:10   #
Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak
 
Dngallagher wrote:


Also a good practice to check that your focus point is actually where you wanted it.


Exactly.

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Jan 30, 2017 12:20:44   #
c49smith Loc: Ohio
 
I have the D7200 and found that the kit lenses were a bit "soft" but easily corrected by fine tuning them. Also I reduced the number of focus points unless I am shooting a moving object. This has ensured that the object that I want focused is, 'cause like dngallaher said... out of focus is out of focus and no amount of PP can fix that!

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Jan 30, 2017 12:25:27   #
Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak
 
c49smith wrote:
I have the D7200 and found that the kit lenses were a bit "soft" but easily corrected by fine tuning them. Also I reduced the number of focus points unless I am shooting a moving object. This has ensured that the object that I want focused is, 'cause like dngallaher said... out of focus is out of focus and no amount of PP can fix that!


I just use the minimum focusing points, and that seems to work. I only occasionally get one that's actually out of focus, but that's my fault.

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Jan 30, 2017 13:00:52   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Dngallagher wrote:
FWIW - I have used the DOT-TUNE method to set several lenses of mine to match the LIVE VIEW focus when using viewfinder - viewfinder is faster focus, but LIVE VIEW focus is sharper.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zE50jCUPhM


Thanks

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Jan 30, 2017 13:44:41   #
Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Thanks


I was just in the process of printing out the focusing chart and ran out of ink!! Guess I'll be making a trip to Best Buy.

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