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Jan 25, 2017 11:16:48   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
SusanFromVermont wrote:
I don't know much about how the synchronization works, but if it worries you, un-synchronize!

What I want to communicate is something about the risks of relying on Flickr. Make sure you have backups of your images on external hard drives (xHD) as well as the folders on your HD. I was using Flickr for a number of years and liked it because it was good - until suddenly it was not! What happened is that I would sign in and not be directed to the page I had carefully set up. I was sent instead to a different page - one I had started and abandoned before starting the page I had been using. I was no longer recognized as the Administrator of my own page... None of the self-help topics fit this situation, so I could not find a way to fix it. Going onto the Community page and asking if there was a solution, I discovered there were many other people asking similar questions.

My last avenue to try to contact someone to help was to report it as abuse! There was a response, apparently from a real person, basically telling me to look at all the self-help and community pages. Having already described what I had done, I tried again, telling them that since Flickr had basically "hijacked" my page, this ought to qualify as "abuse" - by Flickr. I received another email, again suggesting I go to the areas I had already visited:

"Yahoo proudly offers help channels where you can find answers to many of your technical questions. While direct support for Flickr isn't available, there are several places to go for help:

"Flickr Community Forum

Yahoo Help Community Forum - A forum to search for and ask questions about specific Yahoo products.

Social Media - Find us on Facebook or Twitter."

I wrote again, this time repeating that I had already tried these places, and told them they had a "No Help Available" attitude. Always polite, always describing things clearly, getting nothing back... That is, not from a person. Here is their final response:

"We've closed your case as we believe we've fully addressed it.

If you still need help, you can contact us using the options available at: Yahoo Help Central. Thanks!

The Yahoo Customer Care Team

P.S. Any reply to this email will go unanswered as this email address is not monitored. But, we're happy to help you further via our website above."

No need to guess what I did - I switched sites and set up a whole new page. I already had a page on 500px, and found that a real person will answer questions! So my solution was to expand the number of pictures posted, and to organize them in Galleries (work just like the folders on Flickr). My old pages are still on Flickr, the one I had developed and the other one which I tried to delete. Their system allowed me to delete it, but instantly replaced it with another! It took a while to get my 500px page where it is now, because at the "free" level I can only upload 20 pages per week. But that's OK, I didn't want to do it all at once anyway! And I had no intention of putting every picture I have taken up there - not even all of the "best"...

So take care NOT to TRUST Flickr. Things go wrong on other sites, I am sure, but on Flickr there is no one to help, and you can lose access to the page you worked hard to develop.

Susan
I don't know much about how the synchronization wo... (show quote)


I agree with Susan. Remember that Yahoo is being acquired which means that the future is very uncertain. Marissa Mayer may walk away or totter off into obscurity with over $200M in the bank including her $57M golden parachute, but Flickr users could be left high and dry. Hacking risk is low, but learning how to control your assets and how to make sure you have copies elsewhere is very important.

Yahoo! -which implies Flickr - is what our new president would describe as a 'failing internet company', and in this instance he would be correct. It may be possible to right the Yahoo! ship, but it isn't clear what may get thrown overboard in that attempt.

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Jan 25, 2017 11:22:54   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
Flickr is a profitable arm of Yahoo. It may be sold off separately from the parent company but I seriously doubt that they would change a profitable segment of the organization. . Your post is sheer speculation based on other parts of the conglomerate. Not a fan of Yahoo, but I have been with Flickr since 2004 with zero complaints.
Peterff wrote:
I agree with Susan. Remember that Yahoo is being acquired which means that the future is very uncertain. Marissa Mayer may walk away or totter off into obscurity with over $200M in the bank including her $57M golden parachute, but Flickr users could be left high and dry. Hacking risk is low, but learning how to control your assets and how to make sure you have copies elsewhere is very important.

Yahoo! -which implies Flickr - is what our new president would describe as a 'failing internet company', and in this instance he would be correct. It may be possible to right the Yahoo! ship, but it isn't clear what may get thrown overboard in that attempt.
I agree with Susan. Remember that Yahoo is being ... (show quote)

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Jan 25, 2017 11:24:30   #
RRS Loc: Not sure
 
sodapop wrote:
Big mistake using Flickr. Looks like once you put photos on Flickr, they are stuck there. I have some on Flickr, no way to move them back to back to my computer, or simply remove them from Flickr. or at least era(some earlier ones lost due to a drive problem.). No tech help. I regret ever using Flickr.


I use Flickr and have no problem with deleting photos at all. Bring up your photo page find the picture you want and use their menu and it's gone, very easy.

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Jan 25, 2017 12:02:25   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
Screamin Scott wrote:
Flickr is a profitable arm of Yahoo. It may be sold off separately from the parent company but I seriously doubt that they would change a profitable segment of the organization. Your post is sheer speculation based on other parts of the conglomerate. Not a fan of Yahoo, but I have been with Flickr since 2004 with zero complaints.


While I mostly agree with you, and agree that I am speculating, there is always risk when mergers, acquisitions, company sell offs occur. What is not speculation is that there is some significant risk. Flickr may be fine, but it may not. We simply do not know. What I am suggesting is making sure that there is a back up strategy in place. There are no guarantees with cloud services. I've been in the tech game for way too long to think that nothing will change. Sometimes those changes are rapid and traumatic, even for very good companies or good divisions of companies. With tech, change is the only constant.

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Jan 25, 2017 13:27:48   #
Jim Bob
 
Why are you folks going on and on about it? If the site is internet based, it is never, repeat never, 100% safe or secure. You might as well accept that fact and then decide if you wish to float your images (or pay your bills) on a particular site. Geesus.

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Jan 25, 2017 13:53:18   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
Which is what I said on the previous page as well.
Jim Bob wrote:
Why are you folks going on and on about it? If the site is internet based, it is never, repeat never, 100% safe or secure. You might as well accept that fact and then decide if you wish to float your images (or pay your bills) on a particular site. Geesus.

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Jan 25, 2017 14:28:37   #
donmikes Loc: Doylestown, PA
 
Thank you to all who responded to my original question. Just to clarify: I use Flickr only to share photos, not for storage or organization of my own library.

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Jan 25, 2017 15:29:51   #
SusanFromVermont Loc: Southwest corner of Vermont
 
Kiron Kid wrote:
It's a very simple procedure to remove images from Flickr. You can easily delete your entire account from Flickr if you wish to.

I tried to delete the old page, the one I had not been using, and it was immediately replaced with another one!

And I cannot delete the account for the page I WAS using because I am no longer recognized by it as the administrator. This is why I feel like my page was hijacked!

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Jan 25, 2017 16:31:55   #
sodapop Loc: Bel Air, MD
 
Mine has been hijacked too.


SusanFromVermont wrote:
I tried to delete the old page, the one I had not been using, and it was immediately replaced with another one!

And I cannot delete the account for the page I WAS using because I am no longer recognized by it as the administrator. This is why I feel like my page was hijacked!

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Jan 25, 2017 18:39:08   #
David in Dallas Loc: Dallas, Texas, USA
 
Screamin Scott wrote:
Flickr is a profitable arm of Yahoo. It may be sold off separately from the parent company but I seriously doubt that they would change a profitable segment of the organization. . Your post is sheer speculation based on other parts of the conglomerate. Not a fan of Yahoo, but I have been with Flickr since 2004 with zero complaints.
Flickr® was, IIRC, an independent product initially and was bought by Yahoo! around 2007 or 2008 as a replacement for their own fairly nice Yahoo! Photos product. At the time I had my public photos on that host and Webshots® and a tool was available for moving my pictures from the "Photos" to Flickr® when Yahoo! decided to terminate their own venue--so I did. I still had about 7000 pictures on Webshots, though. A few years later, Webshots decided to change how they allowed non-members to view the pictures hosted there, which was against my reason for having them posted there, so I underwent a year-long project to move all my photos from Webshots to Flickr (actually, because Webshots reduced the size of photos hosted there, I moved the pictures from my primary site and copied the Descriptions from Webshots). So at the present time, except for a very few also on Panoramio®, all my pictures for public access are on Flickr. Backup is on my computer and an external hard drive. I have had very few problems with the Flickr account.

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Jan 25, 2017 18:45:42   #
davidrb Loc: Half way there on the 45th Parallel
 
donmikes wrote:
I’d appreciate your comments on this:

I have uploaded many images to Flickr by using the sharing function on IPhoto. (I don’t like Apple’s Photos and am not interested in organizing myself with Lightroom.) Now I am wondering if this approach is a convenient backdoor for hackers to enter my computer. The files are synchronized, which means that deletions on the computer albums will also cause deletions on the Flickr site and vice versa. So there seems to be a permanent link. I could probably avoid this by using the Flickr uploader.

I’m also wondering if it is risky to use Flickr at all –- considering that it is a Yahoo site, and Yahoo has been subject to extensive security breaches.
I’d appreciate your comments on this: br br I hav... (show quote)


Wait until you see one of your photographs somewhere on the internet. Post a photo on the net and kiss it good-bye!

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Jan 25, 2017 22:50:33   #
John Howard Loc: SW Florida and Blue Ridge Mountains of NC.
 
Another good reason to keep control of your images. Makes having your own website worth the hassle.

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Jan 26, 2017 00:12:02   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
donmikes wrote:
I’d appreciate your comments on this:

I have uploaded many images to Flickr by using the sharing function on IPhoto. (I don’t like Apple’s Photos and am not interested in organizing myself with Lightroom.) Now I am wondering if this approach is a convenient backdoor for hackers to enter my computer. The files are synchronized, which means that deletions on the computer albums will also cause deletions on the Flickr site and vice versa. So there seems to be a permanent link. I could probably avoid this by using the Flickr uploader.

I’m also wondering if it is risky to use Flickr at all –- considering that it is a Yahoo site, and Yahoo has been subject to extensive security breaches.
I’d appreciate your comments on this: br br I hav... (show quote)


The risk with Flickr and Yahoo is that they were hacked and millions of user names and passwords were stolen.

Yahoo and Flickr have both required users to change their passwords. That should prevent anyone accessing your email or photos there.

If you use the same name and/or password elsewhere online, it would be wise to change them there, too.

It's impossible to fully protect images online.... But it can help to watermark them and keep them relatively small (I use a maximum of 700 or 800 pixels on the long side, most of the time... too small to even make anything more than a low quality, 4x5" print). Also embed copyright info in the EXIF and don't "save for the web" (which strips off EXIF data in many programs, to save only a little bit of space).

Personally, my watermark includes the URL of my photo galleries... That way when my images are "stolen" and posted on Facebook or wherever, they will at least act as an advertisement for me. No sense fighting the inevitable!

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Jan 26, 2017 03:25:06   #
bluechris Loc: Grapeview, WA
 
I use flickr to showcase my best photographs. I also put my photos under the creative common license with attribution. In public forums it will be hard not to have someone use your photo even if you put copyright on it. I have been on flickr since 2006 and many who posted and put copyright on their photos, found someone had absconded the photo and put it to use somewhere else without permission. Any public venue has the possibility. I am not selling my photos but I can say I am quite published. Flickr is doing for me what I wanted it to do. You can put your photos on flickr as private and allow only a select few or many to view with your permission. Some sites say they are hack proof but I am very skeptical about that. You need to ask yourself what you goal is in putting your photos online and find one that meet your needs.

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Jan 26, 2017 05:17:25   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
donmikes wrote:
I’d appreciate your comments on this:

I have uploaded many images to Flickr by using the sharing function on IPhoto. (I don’t like Apple’s Photos and am not interested in organizing myself with Lightroom.) Now I am wondering if this approach is a convenient backdoor for hackers to enter my computer. The files are synchronized, which means that deletions on the computer albums will also cause deletions on the Flickr site and vice versa. So there seems to be a permanent link. I could probably avoid this by using the Flickr uploader.

I’m also wondering if it is risky to use Flickr at all –- considering that it is a Yahoo site, and Yahoo has been subject to extensive security breaches.
I’d appreciate your comments on this: br br I hav... (show quote)


Using the web is a risk.

Period.


Decide if you want to take that risk.


My main comment is: why do you want a live connection between your images and their flickr counterpart? if you've never done that, it's irritating. My personal take on this is; edit your photos, when you are finished, then save/export them in the final file format you like, and put them where you want, be it flickr or whatever.

Don't bake the cake numerous times...just once.

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