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Dec 29, 2016 11:58:00   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
f8lee wrote:
Ahem. I did not state any opinions - merely facts:
1) the cross effect does not occur on some cameras and does on others, and
2) using a vari-ND with a DSLR makes for more convenience

Neither of these are opinions (unless you believe it is easier to remove and then reattach the ND filter between shots when reframing on a DSLR). They are just facts.

Your opinion that it does not matter (as to what they are shooting) is thus factually incorrect, as it does matter.

Understand?
Ahem. I did not state any opinions - merely facts:... (show quote)


Yes, it's very clear that you don't understand but that's ok.

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Dec 29, 2016 12:01:37   #
f8lee Loc: New Mexico
 
leftj wrote:
Yes, it's very clear that you don't understand but that's ok.


Oh, I understand that I did hurt your feelings by using your post as a jumping point to my response... other wise, why would you be so diligently fighting to "prove" that somehow what you stated was useful?

Dispute the specific points I made if you like (or even can) - but this shall be my last response to the trolling of an ignoramus.

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Dec 29, 2016 12:08:42   #
catchlight.. Loc: Wisconsin USA- Halden Norway
 
Though the consensus seems to be that step rings suck and variable filters are junk... I need to disagree.

The variable filter I have is awesome If I keep it in the scale markings on the ring. I like the ability to focus and then scale it to what I want.

As for stepping rings, all you need is a wrench if they stick and be easy installing them. A very small touch of candle wax on the threads can make things screw together nicely.

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Dec 29, 2016 12:22:02   #
Haydon
 
jodo4138 wrote:
Thank you all for your input. In looking around on youtube I'm wondering how Lee filters match up. It looks that may be another solution. I want to shoot landscapes and water scenes, long exposures


I use GND's from Lee in 3 Stop soft/hard and have the Big & Little Stopper. They are expensive but offer the easy convenience of stacking with (little) degrading. Setting your exposure with a 10 Stop ND is a breeze with the slide-in but you need to be careful with light-bleed and positioning. I have a CPL as a screw-on only. I could never go back to a conventional screw on. Where it really helps is when you have non horizontal landscapes and you can turn the GND to accommodate. Is it a perfect system? No. Is it expensive? Absolutely, but I don't regret going this route.

I still say learning how to apply luminosity masks with multiple exposures is the best but the caveat is tripod work to ensure the least amount of re-positioning of multiple frames.

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Dec 29, 2016 12:38:51   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
f8lee wrote:
Oh, I understand that I did hurt your feelings by using your post as a jumping point to my response... other wise, why would you be so diligently fighting to "prove" that somehow what you stated was useful?

Dispute the specific points I made if you like (or even can) - but this shall be my last response to the trolling of an ignoramus.


Actually your last response was along time ago. The rest has been basically vomit.

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Dec 29, 2016 13:01:06   #
goring2
 
I'm using Tiffen and B&W Polarizer, NDs and GNDs and never have issues with them.

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Dec 29, 2016 13:10:06   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
f8lee wrote:
You were incorrect in stating "it doesn't matter" to bsprague's comment "To do what? And, on what?" - as in fact, it does indeed matter. Someone using a DSLR might have different thoughts about the hassle of having to remove/reinstall a dark ND filter every time they want to reframe, whereas for someone with an EVIL (electronic viewfinder, interchangeable lens) camera it probably doesn't matter.


"EVIL" camera. That's great! I have one.

Related to this topic, I was doing my homework by watching and reading how to use 10 stop ND filters. I was struggling with the part about framing, reading the exposure and doing the math. I finally bought a filter to try what I learned. I screwed to the front of the camera and none of the "problems" showed up. With an EVIL camera, the screen looks fine, the framing is easy and the exposure is calculated with the filter on. All I have to do is set the aperture and be sure ISO is not on auto.

If I was using a non EVIL camera, I think I would seriously consider a magnetic mount adapter.

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Dec 29, 2016 13:21:58   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
jodo4138 wrote:
Looking to purchase a ND filter. Any comments or suggestions?


Variable ND come in two types: utter crap and really expensive.

The utter crap ones will ruin your images with uneven effect, ugly tints, lower quality glass and lack of multi-coatings.... and aren't exactly cheap. A 77mm will run you $90 to $110.

The really expensive ones will cost you between $300 and $550 in 77mm size and will generally be kinder to your images, but will still not always be free or uneven effects.

If you are planning just to shoot still photos, do yourself a favor and simply get one or two fixed strength (non-variable) ND.

Typically the most that's needed for still photography is nine or ten stops. So get one of those, or get a pair such as a three-stop and six-stop to use individually or stack when the stronger effect is needed. These will cost between roughly $75 and $150 apiece.

With still photos, you really don't need variable, fixed strength NDs will do the job because you can fine tune your exposures with the other adjustments your camera offers: ISO, shutter speed and aperture size.

If shooting video with them, a variable ND might be needed because there's less control over exposure with the other camera variables. But even with video, for the best quality a handful of fixed strength would be better... though those may be expensive and less practical than a variable ND.

Alternatively, if already ou have a Circular Polarizer, that also can be used in conjunction with a fixed strength ND filter. A standard C-Pol filter cuts between one and two stops of light, depending upon it's setting. (BTW, variable ND are essentially two C-Pols stacked on top of each other.)

Graduated ND filters are an entirely different thing, used for very different purposes. Not sure how those have sneaked into this discussion of Variable NDs.

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Dec 29, 2016 13:29:24   #
marty wild Loc: England
 
amfoto1 wrote:
Variable ND come in two types: utter crap and really expensive.

The utter crap ones will ruin your images with uneven effect, ugly tints, lower quality glass and lack of multi-coatings.... and aren't exactly cheap. A 77mm will run you $90 to $110.

The really expensive ones will cost you between $300 and $550 in 77mm size and will generally be kinder to your images, but will still not always be free or uneven effects.

If you are planning just to shoot still photos, do yourself a favor and simply get one or two fixed strength (non-variable) ND.

Typically the most that's needed for still photography is nine or ten stops. So get one of those, or get a pair such as a three-stop and six-stop to use individually or stack when the stronger effect is needed. These will cost between roughly $75 and $150 apiece.

With still photos, you really don't need variable, fixed strength NDs will do the job because you can fine tune your exposures with the other adjustments your camera offers: ISO, shutter speed and aperture size.

If shooting video with them, a variable ND might be needed because there's less control over exposure with the other camera variables. But even with video, for the best quality a handful of fixed strength would be better... though those may be expensive and less practical than a variable ND.

Alternatively, if already ou have a Circular Polarizer, that also can be used in conjunction with a fixed strength ND filter. A standard C-Pol filter cuts between one and two stops of light, depending upon it's setting. (BTW, variable ND are essentially two C-Pols stacked on top of each other.)

Graduated ND filters are an entirely different thing, used for very different purposes. Not sure how those have sneaked into this discussion of Variable NDs.
i Variable /i ND come in two types: utter crap a... (show quote)

well written

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Dec 29, 2016 13:46:58   #
Bill Emmett Loc: Bow, New Hampshire
 
I saw a video on Youtube a year or so ago about using a VND filter. The video explained the "X" causes and how to shoot and get around the effect. I bought a Vivitar Series I VND filter and used it on windy days on the Gulf, and in the large canal in my backyard. I used it on my Tamron 24-70mm with its 82mm threads. I think the "X" factor has to do with the angle the light hits the filter, and the amount of density dialed in. I haven't use the filter in a while, since I've not been to the Cascades for a while. Take a look at Youtube, look for using a VND filter, something should come up.

B

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Dec 29, 2016 15:13:26   #
catchlight.. Loc: Wisconsin USA- Halden Norway
 
F8lee brings up the fact the assumptions and not facts seem to drive many of the responses. I personally have no issue with X artifacts and find focus and back to the adjustment is so very convenient with only a turn of the filter.

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Dec 29, 2016 17:42:12   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
steveg48 wrote:
One of the basic questions you have to ask is why variable as opposed to fixed. One issue with variable is that
they are not calibrated so you don't know how many stops you are set at. So getting the right exposure is trial and error.
If you are only using a few stops and you can still see the exposure then it's not a problem but If you are using 'a lot' of stops
you can't see the subject and getting the right exposure is trial and error. If you are using a fixed ND then you can easily calculate the correct exposure time
based on the normal exposure and the number of stops. For example, with a 10 stop filter, you multiply the normal exposure by a factor of 1024.
I have 3 fixed nd filters, 4,10 and 16 stops, all from HiTech/Formatt. I have also stacked the 4 10 and a Lee Circular polarizer to achieve ~16 stops.
One of the basic questions you have to ask is why ... (show quote)


Right exposure?
With TTL this is generally not an issue. You decide what is the time you want the shutter open and dial that in with the filter.
That is the pleasure of a V-ND filter. Also digital you can tweak what you want by chimping so it is not an issue as it was with film anciently.

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Dec 29, 2016 19:29:05   #
boomer826 Loc: Florida gulf coast
 
tpelczy wrote:
go to breakthrough photography, they are the best by far. i have tried many.



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Dec 29, 2016 21:10:12   #
MCullen Loc: Encinitas, CA
 
Several months back I decided I wanted to learn how to use ND filters and after researching I purchased from Breakthrough Photography. I purchased through Amazon, however you can also purchase direct. The filters are high quality have worked well and I will purchase my next one from them. Their site has good information and they are made in the USA.

http://breakthrough.photography

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