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Dec 14, 2016 11:39:14   #
drklrd Loc: Cincinnati Ohio
 
The cost is much less when you freelance like I do. The studio I shoot for pays well. At one time when I was younger before I shot over 1500 weddings and many, I mean many sporting events I shot for about 5 studios at the same time. If you are real good the studios let you do that but most, especially these days, think you are giving away their secrets. I mean what secrets are there when you can outshoot the owner. (Just never tell the owner you know you can.) They think they are the best usually;). The studio I shoot for now had not used my services for over 30 years. All I did was call the owner I knew years ago and he put me to work. I say be good at what you do and leave a great lasting impression and if your boss is just 30 years younger make them happy by doing the best you can on every shoot.

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Dec 14, 2016 11:49:58   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Rongnongno wrote:
You have quite a bit of experience but your statement does not make much sense.

Cameras and the lenses were expensive in the film era then you have film, process and printing.

Camera and lenses (good ones that is) still are expensive but the cost associated resides in printing only so explain how photography cost more today.

Then you have storage cost as film must be preserved in specific condition in order to be eventually reused when a digital image does not need much at all...

The real cost I see in the digital is in the photographer skills that are going down the drain since folks are not taking care as we did before to hold down the cost in film, developing, post processing to print.
You have quite a bit of experience but your statem... (show quote)


Hi, Ron.

If you buy a camera kit, it doesn't stop there. You need a computer, software, network connection and monthly fees, cloud storage site fees, web site hosting fees, monitor calibrator, photo printer if you print your own, etc.

You need SIGNIFICANT training to get the most from digital software and hardware. The principles of photography are the same, but the tools are different. And the workflow many relied upon labs to achieve now falls on photographers.

Commercially, for some applications, digital IS less costly, at least on the surface.

Where I worked, in the school portrait lab, we laid off hundreds of folks over the decade it took to switch over. These were film inspectors, film editors, printer operators, processor operators, trimmer operators, packers, spotters, staging people... Many had been there for 40 years.

There is certainly much less lab labor in the digital workflow. We pushed most of that labor onto our photographers in the field when we switched! They became responsible for job order entry, subject order entry, cropping, pose editing, and a LOT more. They had to be computer operators in addition to customer service pros and portrait photographers. Many quit or retired, and a couple went criminally insane. Our field teams became much younger, better educated, and more female.

Shutting down film processing (two cine processors for long roll films, a roller transport for 120/220, a dip and dunk for sheet films, and another roll film processor for black-and-white, PLUS associated chem mix facilities) saved over $200,000 a year in labor, before we got to the chemicals. But the clean-up to meet EPA standards was very costly.

We were able to consolidate separate functions into one operation — printing, processing, trimming, spotting, packing, and most staging were replaced by... digital printing. We used software to automate workflow that was entirely manual in the film/optical printing days.

HOWEVER, we still didn't make the margins our parent company needed us to make, so they sold our division. The cost of capital was ENORMOUS, and the payoff didn't happen. With the advent of digital imaging, social media Internet sites, mobile devices, and computers, parents stopped buying school portraits. Our market shrank. A certain big company in the industry bought us, along with many other similarly-sized and smaller companies. At some point, they will have no one else to buy, or the government will step in and say, "No." At that point, they will shrink, because their costs will exceed their income.

So the answer really is, as in all of photography, "It depends on the context."

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Dec 14, 2016 11:54:35   #
Kuzano
 
Rongnongno wrote:
I just does not work, I have a medium beer belly (I can still see my feet).


Standing upright, naked, and no mirror in the room?

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Dec 14, 2016 12:02:31   #
elwynn Loc: Near Atlanta, GA
 
What I don't know won't hurt me.

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Dec 14, 2016 12:11:55   #
markngolf Loc: Bridgewater, NJ
 
I can certainly understand how this accounting makes sense if you earn your living as a photographer. For the rest of us, it's at best, an intellectual exercise. Now that the money has been spent and you have thoroughly enjoyed the hobby, does the cost per image or year or any other factor impact your life? Does it matter? Would you do the same calculation for cars, dinning out, X-Mas gifts purchased for 60 years, ...
Perhaps it is just me, but I have more interesting projects to occupy my time. Besides, I stopped smoking 50 years ago. Let's see: average cost of a pack a day x 50 x 365 ???? LOL
No offense Rongnongno!
Mark
Rongnongno wrote:
Has anyone tried to figure out how much it cost to be a 'poor' photographer per day/month?

I took the price of my cameras and lens and came out with about $25.00 per month, not including $100.00 I save every month toward replacement/purchase. (cost of purchase/longevity)

Computing cost is about $3.00 per day so about $90.00 per month. This cost is really $30.00 as I use my computer/software 1/3 of the time for photography or photography related activity. To this I have to add $10.00 for PS CC subscription so $40.00 per month. This does not include $100.00/3 saved toward updates, upgrades and replacement.

Add the cost of a dedicated web site and domain registration $50.00 yearly.

My total per year is $2,066.00 plus other costs such as local transportation and other incidentals. It also does not cover the cost of running a web site and custom printing services (fewer pictures than before).

Out of my yearly budget I effectively save/spend $470.00 per year ( Plus $1,596.00 saving)

So my real monthly cost is $172.16 (Including savings), so about $5.66 per day... The price of a pack of cigarettes?

What is your cost? Did you figure it out?

This interestingly enough is still much less than what it cost before when we were in the film era... You did not have computer then but between the film purchase, processing and printing... (Excluding custom printing)
Has anyone tried to figure out how much it cost to... (show quote)

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Dec 14, 2016 12:13:14   #
drklrd Loc: Cincinnati Ohio
 
This I know is true. I was once retired but came out of retirement to earn money to buy new digital photo gear because I disliked the 12 megapixel camera my daughter gave me for Christmas one year. Then, the other daughter upped the ante and sold me her Nikon because she needed rent money. I got a taste of photography again and I was off to buy more gear like in the old days and when I asked myself how can I a retired man afford it? The answer became go to work taking again.
When I retired I saw so many of the local labs that I cherished the works of fall and go out of business. Only one in the area still exists and that was the largest one. I have to assume it had the funds to survive. I currently see only a few of the studios I used to shoot for still here and I know they suffered from the change. I called one of the wedding guys I shot for up and he said they shot Canon and that he had no idea of what my Nikon format was. Since I knew him, I already knew his skills for computer were stretched just going digital. I really did not have the heart to tell him it was the same as his Canon just slightly different. As for my skills with computer, I knew this was coming. I spent over ten years as an electronics engineering grade techie. I still own put on any computer version of Photoshop and am well versed in Audio/Video such as Avid and Pro-tools. I can build my own computer but those fallen when digital took over are examples of modern technology making them obsolete. I am sad knowing this fact. Just glad I did not become obsolete.
So now I work to buy more gear to pursue a dream of art photographer. I read somewhere where one woman was making large prints from digital and then destroying all digital copies of the shot to make the print a one of a kind item. I wonder if I should do that too.

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Dec 14, 2016 12:16:07   #
speters Loc: Grangeville/Idaho
 
Rongnongno wrote:
Has anyone tried to figure out how much it cost to be a 'poor' photographer per day/month?

I took the price of my cameras and lens and came out with about $25.00 per month, not including $100.00 I save every month toward replacement/purchase. (cost of purchase/longevity)

Computing cost is about $3.00 per day so about $90.00 per month. This cost is really $30.00 as I use my computer/software 1/3 of the time for photography or photography related activity. To this I have to add $10.00 for PS CC subscription so $40.00 per month. This does not include $100.00/3 saved toward updates, upgrades and replacement.

Add the cost of a dedicated web site and domain registration $50.00 yearly.

My total per year is $2,066.00 plus other costs such as local transportation and other incidentals. It also does not cover the cost of running a web site and custom printing services (fewer pictures than before).

Out of my yearly budget I effectively save/spend $470.00 per year ( Plus $1,596.00 saving)

So my real monthly cost is $172.16 (Including savings), so about $5.66 per day... The price of a pack of cigarettes?

What is your cost? Did you figure it out?

This interestingly enough is still much less than what it cost before when we were in the film era... You did not have computer then but between the film purchase, processing and printing... (Excluding custom printing)
Has anyone tried to figure out how much it cost to... (show quote)

I don't really know how anybody would figure this, as far as I'm concerned, if not using film, I can go out all day and shoot all day (wow a whole day of fun) and it really cost me nothing (but time). So, to me it's free and I loving it!!

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Dec 14, 2016 12:21:05   #
Jim Plogger Loc: East Tennessee
 
Rongnongno wrote:
Has anyone tried to figure out how much it cost to be a 'poor' photographer per day/month?

I took the price of my cameras and lens and came out with about $25.00 per month, not including $100.00 I save every month toward replacement/purchase. (cost of purchase/longevity)

Computing cost is about $3.00 per day so about $90.00 per month. This cost is really $30.00 as I use my computer/software 1/3 of the time for photography or photography related activity. To this I have to add $10.00 for PS CC subscription so $40.00 per month. This does not include $100.00/3 saved toward updates, upgrades and replacement.

Add the cost of a dedicated web site and domain registration $50.00 yearly.

My total per year is $2,066.00 plus other costs such as local transportation and other incidentals. It also does not cover the cost of running a web site and custom printing services (fewer pictures than before).

Out of my yearly budget I effectively save/spend $470.00 per year ( Plus $1,596.00 saving)

So my real monthly cost is $172.16 (Including savings), so about $5.66 per day... The price of a pack of cigarettes?

What is your cost? Did you figure it out?

This interestingly enough is still much less than what it cost before when we were in the film era... You did not have computer then but between the film purchase, processing and printing... (Excluding custom printing)
Has anyone tried to figure out how much it cost to... (show quote)



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Dec 14, 2016 12:28:41   #
Bykewrydr Loc: Alberta
 
YUP... and for the guy who goes fishing , better not try to figure out the price per pound!

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Dec 14, 2016 12:38:00   #
orrie smith Loc: Kansas
 
Rongnongno wrote:
Has anyone tried to figure out how much it cost to be a 'poor' photographer per day/month?

I took the price of my cameras and lens and came out with about $25.00 per month, not including $100.00 I save every month toward replacement/purchase. (cost of purchase/longevity)

Computing cost is about $3.00 per day so about $90.00 per month. This cost is really $30.00 as I use my computer/software 1/3 of the time for photography or photography related activity. To this I have to add $10.00 for PS CC subscription so $40.00 per month. This does not include $100.00/3 saved toward updates, upgrades and replacement.

Add the cost of a dedicated web site and domain registration $50.00 yearly.

My total per year is $2,066.00 plus other costs such as local transportation and other incidentals. It also does not cover the cost of running a web site and custom printing services (fewer pictures than before).

Out of my yearly budget I effectively save/spend $470.00 per year ( Plus $1,596.00 saving)

So my real monthly cost is $172.16 (Including savings), so about $5.66 per day... The price of a pack of cigarettes?

What is your cost? Did you figure it out?

This interestingly enough is still much less than what it cost before when we were in the film era... You did not have computer then but between the film purchase, processing and printing... (Excluding custom printing)
Has anyone tried to figure out how much it cost to... (show quote)


It does not cost me anything, it gives to me. It gives me a reason to get out and travel, hike, and explore. It challenges my mind and body, and at my age, that is priceless in the returns I receive by the hobby I have chosen. If everything was about dollars and cents, we would be a very boring human race, just my opinion.

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Dec 14, 2016 12:45:42   #
LFingar Loc: Claverack, NY
 
Kuzano wrote:
Standing upright, naked, and no mirror in the room?


That is one image I never want to see posted!

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Dec 14, 2016 14:40:32   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
Kuzano wrote:
Standing upright, naked, and no mirror in the room?

As a matter of course....

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Dec 14, 2016 14:50:11   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
burkphoto wrote:
.../...So the answer really is, as in all of photography, "It depends on the context."

You are correct in this.

In the case you describe the problem is not the cost per say but the ever shrinking market as well as the new investment. A miscalculation is at fault more than the cost itself.

As for small outfits... They do not have this problem as they likely stole your clients!!!

Still if you objectively compare the cost per photographer the digital age is really cheap but, there is a huge cost that is never taken (or rarely)... Quality.

I want to a seminar near Mystic 30+ years ago to be trained by a large company (hallmark? Not sure) to shoot high school kids. Despite the pre-screening only about 60% of the trainee passed the 'final' in quality. I ended up turning the job down as the margin for us (photographers) was way too low to make it worthwhile, something that was hidden until the lat minute. I do not regret the week long training as I learned quite a bit.

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Dec 14, 2016 15:03:34   #
Dusty
 
Who really cares what it cost. Everything costs something.

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Dec 14, 2016 15:04:50   #
Dusty
 
Who really cares what it cost. Everything costs something.

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