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Jun 4, 2012 12:06:07   #
nikonshooter Loc: Spartanburg, South Carolina
 
jeep_daddy wrote:
nikonshooter wrote:
badriaticopo2 wrote:
In infrared photography, IR converted cameras are different from just using the IR filter. In IR converted cameras, you shoot in real time (fast shutter speed), can see thru your viewfinder and get dreamy colors from the resulting photograph while with IR filter you can't see a thing thru your viewfinder, will require very long exposures and resulting photograph will come out very red which you will convert to black & white. nikonshooter is using an IR converted camera which explains the presence of color (blue) in his photographs.
In infrared photography, IR converted cameras are ... (show quote)


The first shot was with a filter (the swimming pool), the second was taken with a converted camera. You do not convert to black and white, I guess you could...not too sure why you would want too........ however, you switch the red and blue channels in post. Using a filter on a non converted camera is no different than shooting a 10 stop ND filter. For sharpness you need support as in a tripod. You frame and focus your shot, then slide in the filter. It is real time....not too sure what you meant by that. But it requires a longer exposure. Even when held on a tripod windy days can mess with your sharpness. A 2 or 3 second exposure is not uncommon. Your colors, if any, will be affected by whatever you choose to white balance . I white balance off of green grass in bright sunlight to get these colors.
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Do you white balance off the grass in post or do you snap a shot of the grass and use this as your white balance calibration in camera?
quote=nikonshooter quote=badriaticopo2 In infrar... (show quote)


I create a white balance preset off of the grass. Once you do this you can recall the preset. If you are using a converted camera, create this preset and leave it as that is all you will need.

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Jun 4, 2012 16:57:40   #
gazzman
 
To Pablo8:
Not sure how you can hold and look through it without either buying one or borrowing one, so I chose the first option.
Also, I used an IR film years ago and was impressed by what came out, so I didn't know that by using a filter, it would be that different.
I have, on a couple of occasions, bought a filter without first holding to the light first to see what effect it would give, namely my polarising filter and my UV filter.
Hence the reason I asked on here for someone with more knowledge than me to 'show' me where I was going wrong in my assumptions.

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Jun 5, 2012 11:42:09   #
RC0448 Loc: Tacoma WA
 
gazzman wrote:
I've just got myself an infra-red filter, but am confused how to use it.
I screwed it onto the lens, but cannot see a thing through the veiw-finder! It is totally blacked out.
Any ideas of what I'm doing wrong will help.
Thank you :)


I didn't see it mentioned, if you use auto focus before screwing the filter on, TURN IT OFF before you push the button with the filter on, or the camera will try to focus again through the filter and you'll get an ugly (no offense, Hog) image.

iso 320, f/8, 30 second exposure with Hoya 72R filter
iso 320, f/8, 30 second exposure with Hoya 72R fil...

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Jun 5, 2012 11:48:29   #
nikonshooter Loc: Spartanburg, South Carolina
 
RC0448 wrote:
gazzman wrote:
I've just got myself an infra-red filter, but am confused how to use it.
I screwed it onto the lens, but cannot see a thing through the veiw-finder! It is totally blacked out.
Any ideas of what I'm doing wrong will help.
Thank you :)


I didn't see it mentioned, if you use auto focus before screwing the filter on, TURN IT OFF before you push the button with the filter on, or the camera will try to focus again through the filter and you'll get an ugly (no offense, Hog) image.
quote=gazzman I've just got myself an infra-red f... (show quote)


I hardly ever use auto focus whether i shoot IR or not. Just a habit that comes from the film days. You must focus before sliding the filter in. Camera focusing systems are ONLY capable of working with visible light. They, unless modified, cannot focus with IR light.

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Jun 5, 2012 11:50:49   #
nikonshooter Loc: Spartanburg, South Carolina
 
RC0448 wrote:
gazzman wrote:
I've just got myself an infra-red filter, but am confused how to use it.
I screwed it onto the lens, but cannot see a thing through the veiw-finder! It is totally blacked out.
Any ideas of what I'm doing wrong will help.
Thank you :)


I didn't see it mentioned, if you use auto focus before screwing the filter on, TURN IT OFF before you push the button with the filter on, or the camera will try to focus again through the filter and you'll get an ugly (no offense, Hog) image.
quote=gazzman I've just got myself an infra-red f... (show quote)


If you can send me the original RAW file, I will see if I can pull out the blue sky.

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Jun 5, 2012 12:12:30   #
RC0448 Loc: Tacoma WA
 
If you can send me the original RAW file, I will see if I can pull out the blue sky.[/quote]

To what address?

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Jun 5, 2012 12:31:52   #
nikonshooter Loc: Spartanburg, South Carolina
 
RC0448 wrote:
If you can send me the original RAW file, I will see if I can pull out the blue sky.


To what address?[/quote]

I will send you a PM with the address.

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Jun 5, 2012 23:28:55   #
nikonshooter Loc: Spartanburg, South Carolina
 
RC0448 wrote:
gazzman wrote:
I've just got myself an infra-red filter, but am confused how to use it.
I screwed it onto the lens, but cannot see a thing through the veiw-finder! It is totally blacked out.
Any ideas of what I'm doing wrong will help.
Thank you :)


I didn't see it mentioned, if you use auto focus before screwing the filter on, TURN IT OFF before you push the button with the filter on, or the camera will try to focus again through the filter and you'll get an ugly (no offense, Hog) image.
quote=gazzman I've just got myself an infra-red f... (show quote)


I have attached your image after flipping the channels in CS6. I was thinking you had a Nikon file.....I didn't have Canon software to do the initial white balance so I gave it my best in LR4, unfortunately, the image has too much magenta. A lens hot spot shows up in the upper right.... we do have the Canon software loaded on one of our studio macs, I'll send the file back to DB and pull it tomorrow and try to white balance in Canon's software.

I could have desaturated the magenta caste using a hue saturation adjustment but that should not be needed.

White balance off of grass, move the RAW file into Canon Software and do a global white balance ...export to CS and flip channels. That's all that should be done.

There is too much magenta that could not be white balanced in LR4
There is too much magenta that could not be white ...

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Jun 5, 2012 23:48:38   #
RC0448 Loc: Tacoma WA
 
"I have attached your image after flipping the channels in CS6. I was thinking you had a Nikon file"

Thank you very much for your time and trouble. I really appreciate it. I'm taking an IR class, and, the month of May is the first time I've ever ventured into it...first with the Hoya 72R filter and now (for the last couple days) with and ir converted Canon 50D. This helps .... Thanks :-)

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Jun 6, 2012 00:09:34   #
BHC Loc: Strawberry Valley, JF, USA
 
If you want a practical demonstration of the light transmission, look through the finder at maximum aperture and shutter open. Have someone point a TV remote at you and touch a button. You should see the flash from the remote.

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Apr 16, 2013 12:40:08   #
marquis1955 Loc: Lometa, TX
 
Here is a pretty good IR site to visit.

http://www.lifepixel.com/infrared-filters-choices

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