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Sep 7, 2016 15:45:02 #
1Feathercrest
Loc: NEPA
The people who tout "socialism" are, for the most part, Saul Alinsky subjects, and "socialism" is communism for childish minds. Hillary is an out & out devotee of Alinsky.
Sep 7, 2016 15:57:05 #
1Feathercrest wrote:
The people who tout "socialism" are, for the most part, Saul Alinsky subjects, and "socialism" is communism for childish minds. Hillary is an out & out devotee of Alinsky.
An quite obviously you are just spouting talking points you'd heard, and have no idea what yo are talking about.....
Sep 7, 2016 16:34:34 #
Moose wrote:
Speed Of Change
The only speed of change I care about is how fast it reaches my pocket. Speed up those Sacajawea dollars, please.
Sep 7, 2016 21:46:48 #
Sep 7, 2016 22:43:57 #
f8bengal
Loc: West Nawth Carolinah
Capitalism's done a "crappy job"? Those opinions and the facts are worlds apart. Capitalism has lifted more people out of poverty than any system ever devised throughout history. Now that is a fact!
Sep 8, 2016 00:47:34 #
f8bengal wrote:
Capitalism's done a "crappy job"? Those opinions and the facts are worlds apart. Capitalism has lifted more people out of poverty than any system ever devised throughout history. Now that is a fact!
Again, the statement is meaningless. In the history of the world 99.999999% of all people have only ever lived under a Capitalistic system, so trying score different systems by absolute number of "people helped" is foolish. In 1850, you could quite accurately say that "Horses have transported more people, more miles than any other mode of transit" Trains and automobiles were in their infancy. Should we have ignored those, just because, by absolute numbers, horses were clearly better?
In such cases, you have to scale the thing on it's own merits. And by that measure, Capitalism is pretty bad. The number of people "lifted out of poverty" due strict to Capitalism is a remarkably tiny percentage. Remember that public schools, public roads, police & fire departments are all socialistic policies. Capitalism gave us $600 epipens (and slavery!).
Sep 8, 2016 02:42:51 #
1Feathercrest wrote:
The people who tout "socialism" are, for the most part, Saul Alinsky subjects, and "socialism" is communism for childish minds. Hillary is an out & out devotee of Alinsky.
Communism is dead and socialism is its stinking rotting corpse that hasn't been buried yet.
However I believe Education and health should be state funded and that trade unions should not be banned.
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Sep 8, 2016 14:26:24 #
1Feathercrest
Loc: NEPA
I had no idea that a site devoted to photography could devolve into a socialistic morass. Let us agree to exclude political crap.
Sep 9, 2016 02:52:45 #
JamesCurran wrote:
The statement is foolish. Everyone used capitalis... (show quote)
Well how come the ISO (International Socialist Organisation not the International Standardization Organisation)
ideology is Communism by their own admission?
Sep 9, 2016 02:59:40 #
1Feathercrest wrote:
I had no idea that a site devoted to photography could devolve into a socialistic morass. Let us agree to exclude political crap.
This part of the forum is:
"General Chit-Chat (non-photography talk)" and "historicaly"
is devoted to "politics"... which imho is always crap.
Sep 9, 2016 03:17:17 #
Abo wrote:
Well how come the ISO (International Socialist Organisation not the International Standardization Organisation)
ideology is Communism by their own admission?
ideology is Communism by their own admission?
What gave you that idea?
They actually specifically distinguish socialism from communism: http://www.internationalsocialist.org/about/where-we-stand/standing-shoulders-giants
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Sep 9, 2016 10:20:25 #
JamesCurran wrote:
What gave you that idea?
They actually specifically distinguish socialism from communism: http://www.internationalsocialist.org/about/where-we-stand/standing-shoulders-giants
They actually specifically distinguish socialism from communism: http://www.internationalsocialist.org/about/where-we-stand/standing-shoulders-giants
Sep 9, 2016 10:24:57 #
Really?? If I'd quoted Wikipedia, you'd slap me down.
But, your statement was: (Emphasis added)
Find something they wrote about themselves (like on their website) where they state that they follow Communism.
But, your statement was: (Emphasis added)
Quote:
Well how come the ISO ... ideology is Communism by their own admission?
Find something they wrote about themselves (like on their website) where they state that they follow Communism.
Sep 9, 2016 10:40:20 #
Unfortunately Curran, you can't believe anything that anybody from
the International Socialist Organisation says or writes... you
only have to read their newspaper "The Socialist Worker"
to know that. The transparent propaganda rubbish they
print can be seen through by an average 12 year old... it's a joke.
Apart from that, on the large scale, separating Socialism from
Communism is splitting hairs.
Imho there are 2 reasons the International Socialist Organisation
does not call itself the International Communist Organisation.
1. They know that the vast majority of people believe Communism is flawed
which would make it extremely difficult for them to recruit members. ie "Socialism" sounds kinda cool unlike
"Communism"
2. ISO is printed on all sorts of products and documents (the International Standards Organisation)
which gives ISO (International Socialist Organisation) a fraudulent credibility (they just love to use
the acronym ISO) that fools the ignorant.
and boy! do they ever recruit the ignorant.
the International Socialist Organisation says or writes... you
only have to read their newspaper "The Socialist Worker"
to know that. The transparent propaganda rubbish they
print can be seen through by an average 12 year old... it's a joke.
Apart from that, on the large scale, separating Socialism from
Communism is splitting hairs.
Imho there are 2 reasons the International Socialist Organisation
does not call itself the International Communist Organisation.
1. They know that the vast majority of people believe Communism is flawed
which would make it extremely difficult for them to recruit members. ie "Socialism" sounds kinda cool unlike
"Communism"
2. ISO is printed on all sorts of products and documents (the International Standards Organisation)
which gives ISO (International Socialist Organisation) a fraudulent credibility (they just love to use
the acronym ISO) that fools the ignorant.
and boy! do they ever recruit the ignorant.
Sep 9, 2016 10:52:16 #
JamesCurran wrote:
Really?? If I'd quoted Wikipedia, you'd slap me down.
But, your statement was: (Emphasis added)
Find something they wrote about themselves (like on their website) where they state that they follow Communism.
But, your statement was: (Emphasis added)
Find something they wrote about themselves (like on their website) where they state that they follow Communism.
No I would not slap you down for using Wiki.
It's not 100% perfect but I reckon
it is mostly acceptable. Sure is a better source of information than
anything the International Socialist Organisation produces... Even if
it is about themselves... possibly especially if it is about themselves.
Bashing Wiki is fashionable but I'm not a big devotee of
fashion... A couple of days ago I bought a pair of Levis 501s
that I'm very pleased with.
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