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May 10, 2012 19:09:56   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
Things my MT taught me:

1. The Nikon crop sensor is about 23.7mm in length as opposed to a full frame's sensor 35mm. This is where the multiplication factor of 1.5 comes in.

2. The viewfinder on a crop sensor camera is smaller because of the smaller effective size of the camera lens that is being used. Even if an FX lens is being used, only the center portion of that lens shines (?) onto the sensor and through the viewfinder.

MT...does that say it correctly?

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May 10, 2012 20:29:10   #
wlgoode Loc: Globe, AZ
 
mdorn wrote:
frederdane wrote:
I'm wondering if people who post a picture of themselves, or even a shadow self-portrait, are more reliable sources than those that use something else as an Avatar. I'll think about that and consider tracking data. Very subjective judgement involved here, I know. But some people post inaccurate stuff or just plain nonsense. Are they hiding? Also, is there a relationship to sparse data in those same people's profiles? But what if you truly are UGLY and don't want to share that? Wear an iron mask?

Sign of too much time on my hands. But many regulars
are in that category too. I "waste" a lot of time here every day, it seems.
I'm wondering if people who post a picture of them... (show quote)


So... is this what retirement is all about? I think I'll keep my day job a little longer thank you. :-) btw: what category does my avitar put me in? It's a picture of me turned into a caricature---accurate nonsense or inaccurate clarity?
quote=frederdane I'm wondering if people who post... (show quote)


Interesting thing to ponder. So, do you plan to keep track, the results might be interesting.

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May 10, 2012 21:34:24   #
Fran Loc: Northeast, United States
 
rpavich wrote:
Basically no matter what camera you slap a lens on...the focal length DOESN'T CHANGE.

What DOES change is the "field of view" you get.

Think of it like this:

You are sitting in your house and looking out a big 8 foot picture window.

You see a certain amount of the neighbors house and yard and such.

NOW...there is only a 5 foot window there...the distance to the neighbors house hasn't changed....but you see less of it.

That's what's happening.

You put a 50mm lens on a 1.6 crop sensor body and you get the "effect" or "appearance of" a 80mm lens.

What you SEE is what you'll get a picture of in each camera cropped or full frame.
Basically no matter what camera you slap a lens on... (show quote)


Awwwwww. I get it now. Finally!!! Thanks.

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May 29, 2012 10:07:00   #
2th Loc: Tehran
 
the reason that the normal lenses are getting expensive is that people thought when they buy a normal lens on a lets say crop factor 1.6 it makes them a portrait holder lens like 50 mm 1.4 becomes 80mm 1.4 a sharp portrait lens while the perspective does change and the angle of view becomes narrower.while it is not so . what did I say did it help ?

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May 29, 2012 10:17:40   #
2th Loc: Tehran
 
the depth of field remains the same .so it looks you just cropped a part of the picture. but a 90 mm or 105mm lens is different story.

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May 29, 2012 10:20:35   #
oldtool2 Loc: South Jersey
 
2th wrote:
the reason that the normal lenses are getting expensive is that people thought when they buy a normal lens on a lets say crop factor 1.6 it makes them a portrait holder lens like 50 mm 1.4 becomes 80mm 1.4 a sharp portrait lens while the perspective does change and the angle of view becomes narrower.while it is not so . what did I say did it help ?


What the sensor will see with a 50mm is basically the same as a 75mm, or 80mm, lens on a full frame camera.

Jim D

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May 29, 2012 13:47:36   #
traveler90712 Loc: Lake Worth, Fl.
 
oldtool2 wrote:
2th wrote:
the reason that the normal lenses are getting expensive is that people thought when they buy a normal lens on a lets say crop factor 1.6 it makes them a portrait holder lens like 50 mm 1.4 becomes 80mm 1.4 a sharp portrait lens while the perspective does change and the angle of view becomes narrower.while it is not so . what did I say did it help ?


What the sensor will see with a 50mm is basically the same as a 75mm, or 80mm, lens on a full frame camera.

Jim D


If you put a 50 on a a full frame camera, it will 50 mm, yet on a cropped sensor it will be equivalent to a 75 or 80.
See for yourself at
http://www.nikonusa.com/en_US/IMG/Images/Micro-Sites/Lens-Simulator/simulator.htm

You can choose your lens and either a cropped sensor camera or a full frame camera.

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May 29, 2012 14:08:53   #
ThomasS Loc: Colorado
 
traveler90712 wrote:
oldtool2 wrote:
2th wrote:
the reason that the normal lenses are getting expensive is that people thought when they buy a normal lens on a lets say crop factor 1.6 it makes them a portrait holder lens like 50 mm 1.4 becomes 80mm 1.4 a sharp portrait lens while the perspective does change and the angle of view becomes narrower.while it is not so . what did I say did it help ?


What the sensor will see with a 50mm is basically the same as a 75mm, or 80mm, lens on a full frame camera.

Jim D


If you put a 50 on a a full frame camera, it will 50 mm, yet on a cropped sensor it will be equivalent to a 75 or 80.
See for yourself at
http://www.nikonusa.com/en_US/IMG/Images/Micro-Sites/Lens-Simulator/simulator.htm

You can choose your lens and either a cropped sensor camera or a full frame camera.
quote=oldtool2 quote=2th the reason that the nor... (show quote)


I agree with you. We have been kicking this around for months off and on, and what we really have is a semantics issue. Technically, when I put my 17-40mm on my 7D, it is still a 17-40mm, but it sure as Hell looks like a 27-64mm to anyone but a blind person. That is why I usually use that lens on my 5D (Full Frame). When I am using a 70-200, I often put it on the 7D, because "in effect" it makes it a 112-320mm, which gives me more "apparent" range without using a teleconverter. I'm sure the view is not exactly like a 112-320mm (if there was such a thing) would look on a 35mm camera, but is is close enough for my purposes.

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May 29, 2012 14:20:05   #
GoofyNewfie Loc: Kansas City
 
ThomasS wrote:


When I am using a 70-200, I often put it on the 7D, because "in effect" it makes it a 112-320mm, which gives me more "apparent" range without using a teleconverter. I'm sure the view is not exactly like a 112-320mm (if there was such a thing) would look on a 35mm camera, but is is close enough for my purposes.


Your 70-200 on the 7D has the same angle of view as a 112-320 on a full frame camera and the depth of field of the 70-200. Close enough works for me too!

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May 29, 2012 14:42:53   #
ThomasS Loc: Colorado
 
GoofyNewfie wrote:
ThomasS wrote:


When I am using a 70-200, I often put it on the 7D, because "in effect" it makes it a 112-320mm, which gives me more "apparent" range without using a teleconverter. I'm sure the view is not exactly like a 112-320mm (if there was such a thing) would look on a 35mm camera, but is is close enough for my purposes.


Your 70-200 on the 7D has the same angle of view as a 112-320 on a full frame camera and the depth of field of the 70-200. Close enough works for me too!
quote=ThomasS br br When I am using a 70-200,... (show quote)


Thank you! The nice thing is that you can easily adjust the depth of field. I always knew you were a logical sort of guy.

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May 29, 2012 15:21:49   #
Dragnslar2
 
Maybe you are smarter than a brain surgeon and some are not nearly as smart. LOL

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