I started with photoshop many years ago, before Lightroom came out. I have tried Lightroom several times, but I always go back to photoshop. Now I teach a Photoshop 101 to my meetup group. The thing I love best now is the content aware crop tool. I also love the defog slider.
I would love to hear more about the Easy Panel from those who use it.
CPR
Loc: Nature Coast of Florida
I started using Photoshop before Lightroom got so powerful so continue to use it. It will do all that Lightroom can plus more so why learn two programs when one will do? Lightroom for me is just not intuitive.
If I did big jobs with multi-hundreds of shots then I'd go with Lightroom since that's what it's best at.
Camerant wrote:
I'm just wondering: if we are talking about image editing, what can LR do that PS can not?
LR can do nondestructive editing that PS cannot do.
Content Aware, layers, color adjustment. I use content aware a lot...not because of the composition of the photo, but I restore old photos and it as well as doing specific color corrections is invaluable.
CPR
Loc: Nature Coast of Florida
tomcat wrote:
LR can do nondestructive editing that PS cannot do.
No, Photoshop has Layers and you can control what each individual layers does. Each layer is non-destructive and you can turn each off, delete it or control the strength of each individually. You can chose to be destructive if you want by not using layers.
Lightroom puts ALL THE CHANGES in the equivalent of a single layer and stores it in a separate file. Be careful moving/copying files as you can separate the photo and it's changes info....
CPR wrote:
No, Photoshop has Layers and you can control what each individual layers does. Each layer is non-destructive and you can turn each off, delete it or control the strength of each individually. You can chose to be destructive if you want by not using layers.
Lightroom puts ALL THE CHANGES in the equivalent of a single layer and stores it in a separate file. Be careful moving/copying files as you can separate the photo and it's changes info....
Yes, that's all understood, but LR has non-destructive editing, which is completely different from all you mention. But, LR's strong suit is organizational attributes that nothing else has. The two software titles compliment each other wonderfully.
Something to consider: Layers use ram, and cache disk space and depending on the amount your desktop or laptop has, you can run into problems.
CPR wrote:
No, Photoshop has Layers and you can control what each individual layers does. Each layer is non-destructive and you can turn each off, delete it or control the strength of each individually. You can chose to be destructive if you want by not using layers.
Lightroom puts ALL THE CHANGES in the equivalent of a single layer and stores it in a separate file. Be careful moving/copying files as you can separate the photo and it's changes info....
rjaywallace wrote:
Bob - The TITLE of your post and the TEXT of your post seem contradictory. I am aware that Photoshop has features that LR does not. I view PS as more of an art/graphics directed tool and LR as a tool more directed to photography. Not that one is better than the other, they just have different purposes (some portions of which may overlap). I have no art or graphics training, so I don't use PS. I am content to use LR (5.7x) supplemented by Topaz, Nik and DxO OpticsPro (or in the future perhaps On1). I use Apple gear (MacBook Pro and iPad). I am aware there are other Mac-based apps I could purchase and spend time learning, but none have peeked my interest so far. What I would be most interested in learning is new LR techniques of which I have been hitherto unaware that might allow me to do PS-like things involving photo images. What are the best courses (Kelby, Linda, Morganti or ??) to accomplish that? /Regards, Ralph
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I bought the Laure Shoe DVD on LR and also watch everything that Morganti puts out on YouTube.
In addition to the short lists from others, I find the"head swapping" feature in PS very useful. It works very well.
Rongnongno wrote:
Layers (and group of)
Luminosity/selection masking
Content aware or corrective tools are usually used to remove unwanted elements. If that is the 'favorite' tool(s) I would start questioning the attention to detail when capturing a scene.
Humph! Many scenes are not amenable to removing distracting elements unless you get a building permit.
tomcat wrote:
LR can do nondestructive editing that PS cannot do.
I know at least 3 options in PS:
1. Save As command
2. Layers: make a copy of Background, and torture a new layer badly. You always can get the original image.
3. History panel
Light Room and Photoshop are the GOLD standard.
We could argue about different programs all day long... These are also two separate tools they have some overlapping tools but they really do have different purposes.
I use light room to import, catalog, and as my main photo processer. On anything other than a quick "snapshot" I shoot RAW and love it. I record RAW+jpeg as a rule but since I started using LR I pretty much always use RAW files and rarely even look at the jpegs.
The capability of expanding Dynamic Range is amazing to me. LR also gives you multiple output capabilities that I am using more and more. The greatest thing with LR is that it is totally non-destructive!!!! So, get into it and play!
I guess I'd be considered an old codger, since I learned photography way back in the film days complete with dip and dunk processing. However, I was able to learn my way through LR and Photoshop (I'm still learning every day) with out much trouble.
Photoshop is the go to program when I need to really get into a shot and change things like removing things that shouldn't be there, playing with layers, adding captions and titles, and building a photograph into a poster or something like that. I know that the RAW processor in PS is the same as in LR but usually I now do that in LR first... I should mention that I do a lot of Video work and use PS to create menus and graphics as well. Bottom line is, Photoshop and Lightroom are great programs and I wouldn't want to be without one or the other!
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