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Aug 21, 2016 16:56:38   #
Jerrin1 Loc: Wolverhampton, England
 
iamacellist wrote:
Greetings:

I have narrowed my tripod search to two choices (I think). I have combed the archives here, and don't see much about these two specific models, so I thought I would ask if any of you use either of these, and if you do, how you might feel about them. I want the tripod for both indoor and outdoor use, though its primary use will be indoors with some macro and product-style shooting, and maybe a portrait from time to time. Here are the two models I'm considering:
Vanguard Alta Pro 264AB
Manfrotto MK290XTA3-BHUS 290 Xtra Ball Head Kit

I am attracted to the flexibility of the Vanguard, but I don't really know the quality of their products. I am well-familiar with the Manfrotto name, and have thought they produced high-quality equipment, though I have read some reviews that lead me to believe their most recent products might not have the same quality they used to have?

Needless to say, if you think I'm way off on both of these choices and have a better idea, I'm all ears. I'd prefer not to go over $200, but I'm flexible with that, if it's really worth it.

Thanks for your help!
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I have the 2009 award winning Vanguard 283CT carbon fibre tripod and the quality and ease of use are top notch; it even comes with a very nice carrying case and shoulder strap. Although I have an excellent Manfrotto geared tripod head, I personally prefer my Sirius 204S hybrid monopod to the Manfrotto equivalent and, obviously, the Vanguard to the Manfrotto equivalent. Often, these things are just personal taste; but I feel that Vanguard and Siriu offer better quality and engineering than Manfrotto in some areas.

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Aug 21, 2016 17:22:37   #
SteveLew Loc: Sugar Land, TX
 
Benro and Induro are made by the same company. Both tripods come in all sizes. After exhaustive research I bought the carbon fiber Induro with a Induro ball head and have been very happy with both. Manfroto tripods are very good also, however, they are very heavy and have not heard too many things about their ball heads.

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Aug 21, 2016 17:49:41   #
jcboy3
 
You haven't specified what your criteria is for choosing, but these two tripods seem to mostly have price in common (both available for about $179). You should indicate what camera and lens(es) you want to use with it, both what you have and what you plan to get.

These aren't travel tripods, so carrying them is a big deal. Neither has a very robust ball head, and both use proprietary quick release clamps. The Vanguard ball head has been discontinued in favor of the TBH-100, which is Arca compatible.

I highly recommend getting an Arca compatible ball head; even if the ball head is undersized, you can always use a nodal rail slide to balance the load. Newer Vanguard models are Arca; I have a the BBH-250 as well as an SBH-250 with Arca clamp.

I shoot a lot of panoramas; for that you want Arca compatibility.

You will find that $200 is low when looking at quality tripods and ball heads; if that's truly your limit then I would look for used.

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Aug 21, 2016 19:00:08   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
Numerous times this important subject has appeared and it seem to share one common denominator,time after time and that is trying to be sensible about dollars spent for a given value. Another denominator would be that many of us end up buying another one down the road. It's a tough decision.

I might add that lenses seem to be of the same venue.

Best of luck,just be happy with your choices and all is well!

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Aug 21, 2016 19:54:28   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
Those new to buying a tripod for the first time please be advised that most serious photographers with a wide range of subjects and situations have more than 1 tripod ! The idea of having 1 tripod do everything well is very wishful thinking ......I am sure most - like me, have 3 tripods - one heavy duty for big lenses/long shutter times/high magnification/studio only type work - heavy enough that you do not want to carry it far - if at all. A 2nd medium duty/weight tripod for most mobile field work and a 3rd lighter duty tripod for high mobility/travel where weight and size are the major consideration and using smaller/lighter gear. Having one big heavy tripod will work for all of your gear - large or small - but will wind up being far less mobile.

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Aug 21, 2016 19:56:25   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
I'm quitting at two!





Hopefully....

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Aug 21, 2016 20:10:02   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
DaveO wrote:
I'm quitting at two!





Hopefully....



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Aug 21, 2016 20:15:20   #
Sinewsworn Loc: Port Orchard, WA
 
imagemeister wrote:
Those new to buying a tripod for the first time please be advised that most serious photographers with a wide range of subjects and situations have more than 1 tripod ! The idea of having 1 tripod do everything well is very wishful thinking ......I am sure most - like me, have 3 tripods - one heavy duty for big lenses/long shutter times/high magnification/studio only type work - heavy enough that you do not want to carry it far - if at all. A 2nd medium duty/weight tripod for most mobile field work and a 3rd lighter duty tripod for high mobility/travel where weight and size are the major consideration and using smaller/lighter gear. Having one big heavy tripod will work for all of your gear - large or small - but will wind up being far less mobile.
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Three tripods and a monopod and counting...

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Aug 21, 2016 20:24:07   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
Yeah,a monopod at my house too and the wife is counting...guess that means I don't have to worry about counting!

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Aug 21, 2016 22:57:55   #
latebloomer Loc: Topeka, KS
 
Please do a search on UHH for Gene 51. His advice for tripods is excellent. I wish I had before I got my Vanguard (the one with all the flexibility.) Weight is not the issue, it is vibration. If you had physics in college you will understand. I ended up buying a Feisol CT 3472 after I purchased the Vanguard. It is not cheap, but it is all the tripod I should ever need. Please read Gene 51 comments on tripods.

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Aug 22, 2016 01:21:33   #
bkellyusa Loc: Nashville, TN
 
latebloomer wrote:
Please do a search on UHH for Gene 51. His advice for tripods is excellent. I wish I had before I got my Vanguard (the one with all the flexibility.) Weight is not the issue, it is vibration. If you had physics in college you will understand. I ended up buying a Feisol CT 3472 after I purchased the Vanguard. It is not cheap, but it is all the tripod I should ever need. Please read Gene 51 comments on tripods.


I want to second the recomendation to contact Gene51. He really knows this subject. One of the tripods he recommends is a Feisol. I forget the number. If you look at that tripod or even a Youtue video you will be super impressed. It really is very well thought out. It is both very stable yet light enough to use for travell photography or where some hiking might be involved. It's not super cheap like a Chinese tripod would be but it looks like a real keeper to me. It's probably my next tripod purchase.

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Aug 22, 2016 14:55:30   #
latebloomer Loc: Topeka, KS
 
bkellyusa wrote:
I want to second the recommendation to contact Gene51. He really knows this subject. One of the tripods he recommends is a Feisol. I forget the number. If you look at that tripod or even a Youtue video you will be super impressed. It really is very well thought out. It is both very stable yet light enough to use for travell photography or where some hiking might be involved. It's not super cheap like a Chinese tripod would be but it looks like a real keeper to me. It's probably my next tripod purchase.
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Mt tripod, the Feisol CT 3472 is the one he uses. There are a number of adapters available for the Feisol. It is the same weight or perhaps lighter than my Vanguard. Gene 51 notes that there are are other good tripods. He states that a minimum of 37 mm for the top tube is needed. The Feisol CT 3472 is about $600+ (between 600 and 700). For those who have the money and want more expensive tripods, Gitzo and Really Right Stuff are outstanding products.

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Aug 22, 2016 16:17:03   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
latebloomer wrote:
Mt tripod, the Feisol CT 3472 is the one he uses. There are a number of adapters available for the Feisol. It is the same weight or perhaps lighter than my Vanguard. Gene 51 notes that there are are other good tripods. He states that a minimum of 37 mm for the top tube is needed. The Feisol CT 3472 is about $600+ (between 600 and 700). For those who have the money and want more expensive tripods, Gitzo and Really Right Stuff are outstanding products.


Ah, I heard my name mentioned.

To clarify, the 37mm top tube is for industrial strength stability - Gitzo, RRS, Benro, etc all use this or larger on their most heavy duty tripods. If you are not using a 500mm lens or longer (like a 150-600 on a crop sensor camera with a 1.4x TC), then you can get by with a smaller diameter. As I mentioned on page one of this thread, I just got a Feisol CT3442, just for those times when I am not using along lens or 1:1 macro work. It has a top tube diameter of 28mm, which is considerably more stable than your average $200 or even $300 tripod with head combo. It does not come with a center column, though you could order one for it. The cost with 3 section legs is $300, and 4 section legs is $310. If you want the new anti rotation legs, like those used on the Gitzo, I think it's an extra $60-$70. I am so used to the old style legs on my CT3472 that I see no real benefit to the new legs, though some may want/like that feature.

I have done a ton of research on this, and I have not found a tripod in either class that is as light and performs as well (stability-wise), as as cost effective - $300 for the smaller one and $500 for the bigger one. Everything else is heavier, not as stable, comes with a center column, has poor quality leg locks, lacks the build quality, etc etc etc - and most are more expensive if you just consider performance. The closest I have found is Sirui, and they have a few interesting models - one that folds completely flat, others where you can remove a leg and it becomes a monopod, etc. I use an Arca Swiss Z1 ball head and a Manfrotto 393 (modified to use Arca Swiss plates) on the big tripod, and a Sirui K30X on the small tripod. I looked at the K20X but found it less desirable, and not as stable, so I spent the extra $20 and got the 30X.

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Aug 23, 2016 00:50:01   #
bkellyusa Loc: Nashville, TN
 
latebloomer wrote:
Mt tripod, the Feisol CT 3472 is the one he uses. There are a number of adapters available for the Feisol. It is the same weight or perhaps lighter than my Vanguard. Gene 51 notes that there are are other good tripods. He states that a minimum of 37 mm for the top tube is needed. The Feisol CT 3472 is about $600+ (between 600 and 700). For those who have the money and want more expensive tripods, Gitzo and Really Right Stuff are outstanding products.


I was actually talking aobut the CT-3442 Fiesol Tripod. It's very light, folds compact, is allegedly very stable and has just about the stoutest tripod in it's category. It's also more affordable than the CT-3472. There are several videos on the this unit on Youtube.

One of the things I like about it is that even without a center tube it is high enough to use for most photography. One the other hand. I also like that you can get a center tube for it and with that you would be able to open the legs in a smaller area and extend the tube for additional height. This has come would be very handy for me at times when photographing from bridges or walkways where I need to use the tripod but I also need to get closer to the the structure to get the shot I want.

I also use a horizontal exension tube and I think this tripod would do better with that setup than my current travel tripod or the heavier aluminum Manfroto I have.

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Aug 23, 2016 13:06:59   #
SteveLew Loc: Sugar Land, TX
 
The Induro travel tripods come with both a long tube and a short neck for those real low shots. The short center tube is only four inches.

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