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Jul 30, 2016 08:28:22   #
wallied
 
I replaced WIN 8.1 with WIN 10 and have never been happier. Some of the earlier
versions of WIN 10 may have had some problems but today's version of 10 works
perfectly for me. Stop listening to all the WET clouds and install you'll be glad you
did. Good Luck

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Jul 30, 2016 08:53:04   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Earworms wrote:
Yeah, but if someone has already been using Windows for years and years then a switch to Linux might just be overwhelming.


I think you mean "underwhelming."

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Jul 30, 2016 08:55:39   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
balticvid wrote:
A week ago a message popped up on my screen. It asked what date and time I wished to install Windows 10.
I couldn't get rid of the screen until I put in a date and time.
I put in 7/29/16, 11:00PM. That is the latest time and date I could get away with.

What can I do now. I don't want any changes on my computer. I'm not
computer savvy. I'm 84 and I'm afraid I won't be able to figure out the changes
that they will hit me with.

You Hedgehog (not Ugly) folks try to solve peoples problems no matter what they are.
I appreciate your efforts.
Thanks, Walt
A week ago a message popped up on my screen. It as... (show quote)


Here's some advice which is now useless, but might come in handy in the future. If you had turned off your computer at that point and waited till the next day to start it, Win10 would no longer be free, so the hounding would have ended.

If it has been installed, live with it. I have it on several machines, and it's no problem at all. Changes are no problem.

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Jul 30, 2016 09:12:21   #
balticvid Loc: Queens now NJ
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Here's some advice which is now useless, but might come in handy in the future. If you had turned off your computer at that point and waited till the next day to start it, Win10 would no longer be free, so the hounding would have ended.

If it has been installed, live with it. I have it on several machines, and it's no problem at all. Changes are no problem.


Thanks Jerry.
I will adjust and live with it.

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Jul 30, 2016 09:18:09   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
Festus wrote:
Why not let it install. Windows 10 is better than Windows 7 and extremely better that Windows 8.

much better at appropriating your info for MS {see my link above}

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Jul 30, 2016 09:20:58   #
JCam Loc: MD Eastern Shore
 
Festus wrote:
Why not let it install. Windows 10 is better than Windows 7 and extremely better that Windows 8.


Win 3 was better than 8.0 or 8.1!

Every time I've started up my computer running Win 7 Pro I've been faced with that same window warning me that the Free Install of Win 10 would expire on 7/20, but there was always an "X" in the upper right corner to get rid of it.

Today was the first day that thing didn't pop up , and my Win 7 Pro is still running just fine!

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Jul 30, 2016 09:27:42   #
balticvid Loc: Queens now NJ
 
Earworms wrote:
Well having to learn new technology can be frustrating, but there are numerous free helps, videos and such. Micro$oft has easy to access tutorials that are readily available. A little bit of brain strain can be a good thing, keeps your mind sharp, just be patient. YouTube is a great place to start. While I had a cellphone for many years, I was lagging behind in my switch to a smartphone and it just happened that my first smartphone was a Windows phone. I sat in front of my computer watching how to videos on YouTube. Anyway, it took about three days for me cover just about everything, but it was worth it.
Well having to learn new technology can be frustra... (show quote)


Your right...I am going to strain the brain.
Tanks.

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Jul 30, 2016 09:38:12   #
pixbyjnjphotos Loc: Apache Junction,AZ
 
Earworms wrote:
Yeah, but if someone has already been using Windows for years and years then a switch to Linux might just be overwhelming. There is a long learning curve with Linux. If you want an easy to learn intuitive OS, then Mac OSX is what you want.


I will agree that there is a learning curve. However, the latest Linux operating systems are very much like windows in look and feel and installation is pretty much a breeze. The learning curve is not much different than learning new photo processing software that you have never seen before. There are a few drawbacks but by far and large Linux is wonderful. If you are like so many older folks, and surf the internet a lot there is nothing like Linux. If you use Mozilla Firefox on windows you can use Mozilla Firefox on Linux. Same with Chrome. When it comes to updates, Windows takes hours and Linux takes minutes. I am 73 and I love the speed of Linux and not having to worry about viruses and the like. Everyone is allowed to make their own choice though - Windows, OSX, or Linux. Windows and OSX cost money Linux is free. I do have Windows 10 on two of my computers and have experienced only one problem. The last update on my Acer1 Notebook left the machine with no sound. It took 3 hours to update and now no sound. I am also running Windows 10 on a newly rebuilt tower and have no issues so far. Have a GREAT DAY!

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Jul 30, 2016 10:26:37   #
1Feathercrest Loc: NEPA
 
I bought several new computers that came with Windows 10 installed. I absolutely HATE the system as it now takes forever and multiple searches to find things that were only a click away on Vista and Win 7. I am also an octogenarian and do not take kindly to the complexity of this new system with its multitude of crap apps and devious roadways to a destination. By the way, I am college educated with a Mensa IQ, and still cannot navigate this system easily after months of use.

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Jul 30, 2016 10:43:30   #
Earworms Loc: Sacramento, California
 
pixbyjnjphotos wrote:
I will agree that there is a learning curve. However, the latest Linux operating systems are very much like windows in look and feel and installation is pretty much a breeze. The learning curve is not much different than learning new photo processing software that you have never seen before. There are a few drawbacks but by far and large Linux is wonderful. If you are like so many older folks, and surf the internet a lot there is nothing like Linux. If you use Mozilla Firefox on windows you can use Mozilla Firefox on Linux. Same with Chrome. When it comes to updates, Windows takes hours and Linux takes minutes. I am 73 and I love the speed of Linux and not having to worry about viruses and the like. Everyone is allowed to make their own choice though - Windows, OSX, or Linux. Windows and OSX cost money Linux is free. I do have Windows 10 on two of my computers and have experienced only one problem. The last update on my Acer1 Notebook left the machine with no sound. It took 3 hours to update and now no sound. I am also running Windows 10 on a newly rebuilt tower and have no issues so far. Have a GREAT DAY!
I will agree that there is a learning curve. Howe... (show quote)


If all you do is surf the internet, you might as well just get a CHROMEBOOK.

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Jul 30, 2016 12:00:41   #
kd7eir Loc: Tucson, AZ
 
pixbyjnjphotos wrote:
I will agree that there is a learning curve. However, the latest Linux operating systems are very much like windows in look and feel and installation is pretty much a breeze. The learning curve is not much different than learning new photo processing software that you have never seen before. There are a few drawbacks but by far and large Linux is wonderful. If you are like so many older folks, and surf the internet a lot there is nothing like Linux. If you use Mozilla Firefox on windows you can use Mozilla Firefox on Linux. Same with Chrome. When it comes to updates, Windows takes hours and Linux takes minutes. I am 73 and I love the speed of Linux and not having to worry about viruses and the like. Everyone is allowed to make their own choice though - Windows, OSX, or Linux. Windows and OSX cost money Linux is free. I do have Windows 10 on two of my computers and have experienced only one problem. The last update on my Acer1 Notebook left the machine with no sound. It took 3 hours to update and now no sound. I am also running Windows 10 on a newly rebuilt tower and have no issues so far. Have a GREAT DAY!
I will agree that there is a learning curve. Howe... (show quote)


If you think you are safe from viruses on Linux I have a beachfront house for sale in Tucson you might be interested in.

The use of an operating system is directly correlated to the interest by the malware writers to develop malware for that OS - as more people use Linux, more malware will be written for it.

In people's minds, if it's non-Windows, it's secure, and that's not the case. They think nobody writes malware for Linux or Mac OS X. But that's not true.

Buffer overruns, trojan horses, web scripts, cross platform viruses, worms, botnets, rootkits, - ALL of these and many more have variants that are targeted specifically to Linux systems.

I know of at least 20 companies that sell anti-virus software for Linux, and make a very tidy sum of money doing so.

Here's a quick list of some of the nastier and more common malware that attacks Linux systems, and only a couple of them require root privileges -

Botnets

Mayhem - 32/64-bit Linux/FreeBSD multifunctional botnet
Linux/Remaiten - A threat targeting the Internet of Things.

Rootkits

Snakso-A - 64-bit Linux webserver rootkit


Trojans

Effusion - 32/64-bit injector for Apache/Nginx webservers
Hand of Thief - Banking trojan, 2013,
Kaiten - Linux.Backdoor.Kaiten trojan horse
Rexob - Linux.Backdoor.Rexob trojan
Waterfall screensaver backdoor - on gnome-look.org
Tsunami.gen — Backdoor.Linux.Tsunami.gen
Turla — HEUR:Backdoor.Linux.Turla.gen
Xor DDoS A Trojan malware that hijacks Linux systems and uses them to launch DDoS attacks which have reached loads of 150+ Gbps.


Viruses


42
Arches
Alaeda - Virus.Linux.Alaeda
Binom - Linux/Binom
Bliss - requires root privileges
Brundle
Bukowski
Caveat
Coin
Diesel - Virus.Linux.Diesel.962
Hasher
Kagob a - Virus.Linux.Kagob.a
Kagob b - Virus.Linux.Kagob.b
Lacrimae (aka Crimea)
Linux.Encoder.1
MetaPHOR (also known as Simile)
Nuxbee - Virus.Linux.Nuxbee.1403
OSF.8759
PiLoT
Podloso - Linux.Podloso (The iPod virus)
RELx
Rike - Virus.Linux.Rike.1627
RST - Virus.Linux.RST.a (known for infecting Mozilla Suite and Thunderbird)
Satyr - Virus.Linux.Satyr.a
Staog
Vit - Virus.Linux.Vit.4096
Winter - Virus.Linux.Winter.341
Winux (also known as Lindose and PEElf)
Wit virus
Zariche - Linux.Zariche.A (and variants)
ZipWorm - Virus.Linux.ZipWorm


Worms

Adm - Net-Worm.Linux.Adm
Adore
Bad Bunny - Perl.Badbunny
Cheese - Net-Worm.Linux.Cheese
Devnull
Kork
Linux/Lion
Linux.Darlloz - Targets home routers, set-top boxes, security cameras and industrial control systems
Linux/Lupper.worm
Mighty - Net-Worm.Linux.Mighty
Millen - Linux.Millen.Worm
Ramen worm - targeted only Red Hat Linux distributions versions 6.2 and 7.0
Slapper
SSH Bruteforce

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Jul 30, 2016 12:43:22   #
Reinaldokool Loc: San Rafael, CA
 
rehess wrote:
That is like telling a rape victim that she might as well enjoy it because it is going to happen anyway.
The next Windows computer the OP buys will have Win10, or later, on it, but the OP gets to choose.

The way things stand right now, Microsoft has convinced me that my next computer will be a Linux computer.


I love Linux, but MS has good reason for what they are doing. Win10 is designed for regular updates to counter any malware threats, correct any program bugs (Any OS has bugs; too many million lines of code for perfection.) and add new capabilities why remaining more easily modified for new needs.

Windows 10 is advertised as "the last Windows". From now on, any further changes will be updates, not upgrades. It is becoming a Mac-killer in the business world because it is more stable, more impervious to malware and more secure in networking. (Macs, by restricting the flexibility, continue to be easier to learn the basics, especially among students and artsy people.)

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Jul 30, 2016 12:44:24   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
kd7eir wrote:
If you think you are safe from viruses on Linux I have a beachfront house for sale in Tucson you might be interested in.

The use of an operating system is directly correlated to the interest by the malware writers to develop malware for that OS - as more people use Linux, more malware will be written for it.

In people's minds, if it's non-Windows, it's secure, and that's not the case. They think nobody writes malware for Linux or Mac OS X. But that's not true.

Buffer overruns, trojan horses, web scripts, cross platform viruses, worms, botnets, rootkits, - ALL of these and many more have variants that are targeted specifically to Linux systems.

I know of at least 20 companies that sell anti-virus software for Linux, and make a very tidy sum of money doing so.

Here's a quick list of some of the nastier and more common malware that attacks Linux systems, and only a couple of them require root privileges -

Botnets

Mayhem - 32/64-bit Linux/FreeBSD multifunctional botnet
Linux/Remaiten - A threat targeting the Internet of Things.

Rootkits

Snakso-A - 64-bit Linux webserver rootkit


Trojans

Effusion - 32/64-bit injector for Apache/Nginx webservers
Hand of Thief - Banking trojan, 2013,
Kaiten - Linux.Backdoor.Kaiten trojan horse
Rexob - Linux.Backdoor.Rexob trojan
Waterfall screensaver backdoor - on gnome-look.org
Tsunami.gen — Backdoor.Linux.Tsunami.gen
Turla — HEUR:Backdoor.Linux.Turla.gen
Xor DDoS A Trojan malware that hijacks Linux systems and uses them to launch DDoS attacks which have reached loads of 150+ Gbps.


Viruses


42
Arches
Alaeda - Virus.Linux.Alaeda
Binom - Linux/Binom
Bliss - requires root privileges
Brundle
Bukowski
Caveat
Coin
Diesel - Virus.Linux.Diesel.962
Hasher
Kagob a - Virus.Linux.Kagob.a
Kagob b - Virus.Linux.Kagob.b
Lacrimae (aka Crimea)
Linux.Encoder.1
MetaPHOR (also known as Simile)
Nuxbee - Virus.Linux.Nuxbee.1403
OSF.8759
PiLoT
Podloso - Linux.Podloso (The iPod virus)
RELx
Rike - Virus.Linux.Rike.1627
RST - Virus.Linux.RST.a (known for infecting Mozilla Suite and Thunderbird)
Satyr - Virus.Linux.Satyr.a
Staog
Vit - Virus.Linux.Vit.4096
Winter - Virus.Linux.Winter.341
Winux (also known as Lindose and PEElf)
Wit virus
Zariche - Linux.Zariche.A (and variants)
ZipWorm - Virus.Linux.ZipWorm


Worms

Adm - Net-Worm.Linux.Adm
Adore
Bad Bunny - Perl.Badbunny
Cheese - Net-Worm.Linux.Cheese
Devnull
Kork
Linux/Lion
Linux.Darlloz - Targets home routers, set-top boxes, security cameras and industrial control systems
Linux/Lupper.worm
Mighty - Net-Worm.Linux.Mighty
Millen - Linux.Millen.Worm
Ramen worm - targeted only Red Hat Linux distributions versions 6.2 and 7.0
Slapper
SSH Bruteforce
If you think you are safe from viruses on Linux I ... (show quote)

Such a list.

Ever since MS became so sneaky with Win 10 installation, this computer has been set up so I must approve every update, so I'm aware of every time Windows Defender is told of something new to watch for, namely almost daily, so I'm guessing that the Windows list would be at least as long.

Al least with Linux, the O/S itself doesn't act like Malware.

And before you write me off as an MS detractor, I should should tell you that I was an MS supporter before this whole mess started. Not only did I have Win 8.1 on our primary computer, I was using an MS Surface, an MS smart phone, MS Outlook as my primary email account, MS Bing as my primary search machine, MS Defender as my primary defender against attack from outside my computer, Internet Explorer as my primary browser, MS Office as my primary "office" software, and MS SkyDrive {so it was called back then} as my primary cloud provider. No so much now.

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Jul 30, 2016 13:40:22   #
Independencenorm
 
My stepson had WIN 10 forced on him. He is a graphic artist and lost at least a days work and several customers.

He got smart and now he's on a iMac all in one desktop. Even at 84, a MAC is easy to learn to use. Windows is a poor copy of the Mac graphic interface, many more steps to do the same thing.

Sold PCs and Macs since 1986.

Norm (77 years young)

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Jul 30, 2016 13:44:57   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
kd7eir wrote:
If you think you are safe from viruses on Linux I have a beachfront house for sale in Tucson you might be interested in.

The use of an operating system is directly correlated to the interest by the malware writers to develop malware for that OS - as more people use Linux, more malware will be written for it.

In people's minds, if it's non-Windows, it's secure, and that's not the case. They think nobody writes malware for Linux or Mac OS X. But that's not true.

Buffer overruns, trojan horses, web scripts, cross platform viruses, worms, botnets, rootkits, - ALL of these and many more have variants that are targeted specifically to Linux systems.

I know of at least 20 companies that sell anti-virus software for Linux, and make a very tidy sum of money doing so.

Here's a quick list of some of the nastier and more common malware that attacks Linux systems, and only a couple of them require root privileges -

Botnets

Mayhem - 32/64-bit Linux/FreeBSD multifunctional botnet
Linux/Remaiten - A threat targeting the Internet of Things.

Rootkits

Snakso-A - 64-bit Linux webserver rootkit


Trojans

Effusion - 32/64-bit injector for Apache/Nginx webservers
Hand of Thief - Banking trojan, 2013,
Kaiten - Linux.Backdoor.Kaiten trojan horse
Rexob - Linux.Backdoor.Rexob trojan
Waterfall screensaver backdoor - on gnome-look.org
Tsunami.gen — Backdoor.Linux.Tsunami.gen
Turla — HEUR:Backdoor.Linux.Turla.gen
Xor DDoS A Trojan malware that hijacks Linux systems and uses them to launch DDoS attacks which have reached loads of 150+ Gbps.


Viruses


42
Arches
Alaeda - Virus.Linux.Alaeda
Binom - Linux/Binom
Bliss - requires root privileges
Brundle
Bukowski
Caveat
Coin
Diesel - Virus.Linux.Diesel.962
Hasher
Kagob a - Virus.Linux.Kagob.a
Kagob b - Virus.Linux.Kagob.b
Lacrimae (aka Crimea)
Linux.Encoder.1
MetaPHOR (also known as Simile)
Nuxbee - Virus.Linux.Nuxbee.1403
OSF.8759
PiLoT
Podloso - Linux.Podloso (The iPod virus)
RELx
Rike - Virus.Linux.Rike.1627
RST - Virus.Linux.RST.a (known for infecting Mozilla Suite and Thunderbird)
Satyr - Virus.Linux.Satyr.a
Staog
Vit - Virus.Linux.Vit.4096
Winter - Virus.Linux.Winter.341
Winux (also known as Lindose and PEElf)
Wit virus
Zariche - Linux.Zariche.A (and variants)
ZipWorm - Virus.Linux.ZipWorm


Worms

Adm - Net-Worm.Linux.Adm
Adore
Bad Bunny - Perl.Badbunny
Cheese - Net-Worm.Linux.Cheese
Devnull
Kork
Linux/Lion
Linux.Darlloz - Targets home routers, set-top boxes, security cameras and industrial control systems
Linux/Lupper.worm
Mighty - Net-Worm.Linux.Mighty
Millen - Linux.Millen.Worm
Ramen worm - targeted only Red Hat Linux distributions versions 6.2 and 7.0
Slapper
SSH Bruteforce
If you think you are safe from viruses on Linux I ... (show quote)


Exactly. A very high percentage of corporate and government servers run some release of Linux (RHEL, Suisse, etc), and guess who malware, virus and extortion hackers spend a large piece of their time targeting? Corporate and government servers.

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