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Jun 13, 2016 11:05:07   #
dcampbell52 Loc: Clearwater Fl
 
MT Shooter wrote:
I have been a "photographer" for 43 years, professionally for over 30, meaning making more than 50% of my income from my photography. I have owned my own pro level camera store for over 3years and am constantly amazed at the number of rank amateurs who think they are pro level photographers. Both locally and here in this forum.
You do not need to be a "professional" to be a photographer, you only need to be an enthusiast. But don't lie to yourself nor others by claiming to be a professional until you can and DO make a living at it.
I have been a "photographer" for 43 year... (show quote)


I agree completely. I have been a photography (into photography) since 1957, when my Grandfather (who was a professional photographer) gave me my first professional level Roleiflex twin lens camera and a couple of lenses for my birthday. I gradually increased my experience and learned darkroom techniques, working with light meters, external flashes / strobes and other photography techniques to the point that I was the senior staff photographer in highschool and taught a 2 hour photography class every morning at school (this this time my Grandfather had given me a Hasselblad, 3 film backs and 4 lenses). I also worked as a stringer for the local newspaper (thus 100% of my income was from photography but I couldn't have lived on it, LOL). Since then I got my degree in Electrical Engineering Computer design and became a Senior Systems Engineer for a large insurance company in Hartford Connecticut. During the entire time, photography was my hobby, then I went to work for Nikon as a support specialist for Nikon Professional Services and got to meet (learn from) and work with many photographers who earn their entire living through their lenses. (Joe McNally, Moose Peterson to name a few). While my income was primarily from Nikon, I subsidized it with my photography (and the skills and training I got over the years). Now, 100% of my income is generated from my photography BUT the lessons I learned in the workplace and college on computer engineering etc are constantly being used as a part of my general skill set managing the computer databases with lists of customers, jobs, invoicing, ordering etc. If you are a photographer, there is much more to the job (if you want to be successful, then just clicking good photos. You have to learn (or have a partner/employee) good business techniques, advertising, purchasing, and above all you need to understand the market and competition. If you are a "Professional" photographer, you are a business person first and foremost. I know several great photographers (whos photos blow away anything that I have taken) that are technically amateurs and I know several professional photographers that I often wonder who put the lens on the camera for them. Somewhere along the line, we began to associate the word "PROFESSIONAL" with good and that isn't always the case.

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Jun 13, 2016 11:14:32   #
ebbote Loc: Hockley, Texas
 
Anyone who uses a camera to take pictures is a photographer, ANYONE.

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Jun 13, 2016 11:18:24   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
If I am (was) asked "what do you do"? then I am (was) NOT a photographer.
Now I am retired.
If I am asked "what do you do now"? then I'm a "BIT of a photographer"
Satisfies my ego and satisfies the questioner.

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Jun 13, 2016 11:26:56   #
studavis
 
I don't ca;ll my self a photographer. I am a picture taker. I have been doing it since the early 50's and I do sell a lot of pictures. According to some members of a club I don't do what some judges want but they say judging a picture (for Judging) is different than making pictures to sell. To me it's BS.

They would take points off a famous painting if the young a brush hair stuck in the paint.

What is a photographer a person with a camera ant tries?

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Jun 13, 2016 11:28:38   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
robertjerl wrote:
I got my first camera in the 50s took pictures of friends at school and family.
In the 1966 while at Ft Ord in advanced training I got a used Argus C3 at a pawn shop near the base and starting recording my life in the Army and at home when on leave. Took it to Vietnam photographing on the transport ship, a stop over in Naha Okinawa and when we arrived in Vietnam where over a period of two years I took a few thousand pictures with that C3 and a Miranda Sensorex I got on R&R in Tokyo in 1967.

When I was back home I took pictures, learned to develop my own film and slides while working and in college.

The summer of 1972 I went on a field school to southern Mexico and became the unofficial/official photographer because I had more(and better) gear than anyone else. Out of that I got a newspaper spread, a display/exhibit at Cal State LA and supplied some pictures to one of the professors who was writing a book, I've never seen a copy of it.
While earning my teaching credential I got tired of history and geography classes while getting majors in both, plus of course education so I took photo classes, completing all but the independent project for another major in Cinematography Animation/Photography. At that point I was married, a new father and a beginning teacher so I didn't have time to produce my own short film.

Photography continued to be one of my hobbies.

After 34 years in the classroom I retired 8 years ago this June 30th. Then a bit over three years ago was the last time my wife worked and she noticed that I spent hours each day reading and watching the History, Nat Geo, Smithsonian and Military History channels. She got after me to get out of the house and do something, "Why not get into photography more again Honey!"
Well here it is somewhere around $9000+ worth of digital gear later, minimum (I started with all Sigma gear than switched to Canon.), and plans for about $3000 more. I guess I am into photography more. She got what she wanted.

I have never made a penny out of it. I have never entered a contest. I have only had that newspaper spread in 1972 and one picture I gave to someone for a web site published. I had that exhibit at the university back in 1972 and one as part of a faculty talent show at the last school I taught at. I have done things for friends, no pay.

Am I a Photographer? Well, sometimes, sorta, maybe I guess so. But maybe we better flip a coin to decide.
I got my first camera in the 50s took pictures of ... (show quote)


robertjerl, I decide to flip the coin for you. You are in luck! Your a photographer!

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Jun 13, 2016 11:30:44   #
Marionsho Loc: Kansas
 
wdross wrote:
robertjerl, I decide to flip the coin for you. You are in luck! Your a photographer!


How thoughtful and considerate.

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Jun 13, 2016 11:45:16   #
John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN
 
Perhaps one difference might be 'is one a Photigrapher' or 'is one a photographer.' Does this help?

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Jun 13, 2016 11:56:41   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
If you buy a camera, you are a photographer. If you buy a flute, you own a flute.

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Jun 13, 2016 12:40:34   #
BBurns Loc: South Bay, California
 
Rongnongno wrote:
So one can drink you too?

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Jun 13, 2016 13:01:12   #
rochephoto
 
I got my first pencil when I was 4 years old. I've been writing for 56 years now. Surely I'm close to being Hemingway after all these years!

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Jun 13, 2016 13:01:38   #
BBurns Loc: South Bay, California
 
MT Shooter wrote:
I have been a "photographer" for 43 years.....I am constantly amazed at the number of rank amateurs who think they are pro level photographers. Both locally and here in this forum.
You do not need to be a "professional" to be a photographer, you only need to be an enthusiast. But don't lie to yourself nor others by claiming to be a professional until you can and DO make a living at it.

I have always drawn the line for 'Pro' as to when you are making your living living with a camera. There are very few who make really serious money doing it.
I remember over 20 years ago having conversations with George Lepp & DeWitt Jones about the level of effort it took.

The cameras available to the entry level beginners today is beyond the wildest dreams for us old seasoned film folks. Owning a Ferrari does not make one a race driver.
Your statement about rank amateurs is true. Same with computers, everyone who comes to me with an issue, has had a computer for 3 months, and is an expert!

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Jun 13, 2016 13:09:00   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
Fotoartist wrote:
If you buy a camera, you are a photographer. If you buy a flute, you own a flute.


So when are you a flautist - do you need to own a flute to be such?
And another thing - don't you need to use the camera to be a photographer?

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Jun 13, 2016 13:19:44   #
repleo Loc: Boston
 
OP here. Thanks for all of the responses. I read all of them. I am quite surprised at the level of consensus here that a Photographer is simply ’one who takes photographs.’ This is a generous and inclusive interpretation considering the level of expertise amongst the many talented UHHers. Personally, I would have raised the bar to at least require a level of care and understanding of how to control an image.

Of all the thoughtful responses, the one that resonated most with me was from Reinaldokool. In spite of his feigned arrogance he offers some real gems. (I won’t quote it – go back and read it - Jun 13, 2016 10:38:41)

Many responders advised not to get hung up on labels, which is always good advise. Others suggested that it is the prefix or adjective before ‘Photographer’ that describes who you are. To that end, I am changing my signature line to “A Wanabeebetter Photographer “ – not out of modesty, but as a mission statement.

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Jun 13, 2016 13:23:43   #
Jim Bob
 
repleo wrote:
I went to a meeting of my local camera club a couple of weeks ago, introduced myself to the man in charge and told him I wanted to enquire about joining. “Are you a Photographer?” he asked. A simple, but loaded question. I fumbled around in my brain for a minute trying to decide if I should explain that I was not a professional, but that I knew a bit about the exposure triangle, rule of thirds, description of my equipment etc. Finally, I pulled my wits together and replied simply “Well, I want to be a Photographer”. Good answer I guess since he replied “Then welcome – you have come to the right place.”

However, that leaves the question – what is, or when is one, a Photographer? A simple dictionary definition of Photographer is “One who practices photography; especially : one who makes a business of taking photographs” and clearly anybody who can earn a living in photography is a Photographer. But, what about everybody else? If photography is the ‘art or process of producing images’ wouldn’t that include everybody who ever clicked on a camera phone or Kodak Brownie. I am not interested in dictionary definitions, but I would like to get an idea of what UHH folks – especially the Pro’s - feel qualifies one as a Photographer. Is there a minimum threshold of knowledge, ability, results or equipment that must be crossed before one is acknowledged or accepted as a Photographer on UHH? Is that title reserved for the Pro’s . What about those who possess all the skills and talents to be a Pro but prefer to make their living by other means?

The camera industry divides the market into categories such as entry level / beginner; enthusiast; prosumer etc. Should we do the same? I fall under the category of enthusiastic beginner with fifty years of experience of taking photographs with increasing levels of seriousness.

I have yet to see full consensus on any topic in this forum, but it would be good to at least get a cross section of UHH opinions of as to who, or what, is a Photographer.
I went to a meeting of my local camera club a coup... (show quote)


Nope. And judging from some of the posters here, I don't wish to become one.

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Jun 13, 2016 13:24:05   #
wj cody Loc: springfield illinois
 
Fotoartist wrote:
If you buy a camera, you are a photographer. If you buy a flute, you own a flute.


but you are not a flautist!

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