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May 28, 2016 08:40:26   #
will47 Loc: Indianapolis, IN
 
Keldon wrote:
Nope! I couldn't! It bothers me to see people get conned into giving their hardearned money to unscrupulous bastards.
(I hope you noticed I at least gave the politicians a break.)


The most unscrupulous bastards of all are politicians and political parties. Never give them a effing dime.

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May 28, 2016 08:43:28   #
katbandit Loc: new york city
 
since as long as i could remember i would not donate dollars to any organization ..even when working when they wanted to take it out of our salary to the charity of our choice...instead i donate my time with volunteer work ..i take photos at the local shelters and upload the photos to their sites...i also do fostering for cats..i volunteer at the school to help tutor ..now..if that isn't helping financially i don't know what is...since I'm not being paid they are in reality saving dollars..and I'm not losing money..anything i spend i KNOW where it is going..sorry to sound so miserly and I'm sure there are many organizations that are legit..but not knowing which ones are which i say that people should not give CASH so easily..i could never understand how anyone could be so cruel as to wipe the elderly out of their savings..

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May 28, 2016 08:52:26   #
Ralloh Loc: Ohio
 
Chicopee wrote:
Hey this started out as a good post, informative. And then it turns nasty..That is not what the site is about. Just my two cents . I think you BDK for your information.


This is, unfortunately, typical of most online forums. They tend to bring out the very worst in people because they can hide behind their computers and not have to say all the nasty crap to someone's face, which most would never do. It really is a shame. The Internet, one of the greatest inventions of mankind can also be one big stinking cesspool.

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May 28, 2016 08:58:12   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
Keldon wrote:
If you look at the books of almost any charity group you will see that the majority of money they get goes to either salariesor to "fund raisers."
Take a look at organizations such as the Shriners, Red Cross and especially Planned Parenthood. You may be shocked at where your charity giving actually goes.


Amen.

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May 28, 2016 09:22:31   #
mas24 Loc: Southern CA
 
Keldon wrote:
If you look at the books of almost any charity group you will see that the majority of money they get goes to either salariesor to "fund raisers."
Take a look at organizations such as the Shriners, Red Cross and especially Planned Parenthood. You may be shocked at where your charity giving actually goes.


You forgot the most corrupt charities. The ones supposedly helping our Veterans. Millions of dollars have been collected by some. One Administrator stole nearly 90% of the money he collected, bought himself a Rolls Royce automobile and more things for his family. Low and behold this guy is presently a Federal Employee working for Veterans Affairs. This was reported by CNN just in the past weeks.

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May 28, 2016 11:11:52   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Karl Marx defined a utopia which he expressed as communism. He founded this ideal society with the humanitarian goal of lifting the human condition for all. To that end, he voiced such mechanisms as this one: "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs." Today, we might call this mechanism "economic equality," in conformity to egalitarianism -- a political theory active in America and elsewhere.

If implemented, this mechanism of communism would foster a leveling effect producing a benefit more to the favor of the mob at the expense of the competent members of society. All would of course have their basic needs met, but how would exceptional individuals realize their full potential in this scenario? Such individuals throughout history have contributed to the advance of civilization. Does Marx even recognize this positive historical dynamic? If so, then how does he address the natural response to such individuals involving remuneration for their achievement?

This citizen finds the society functioning in accord with communist ideology as wanting in key respects given the nature of humankind to seek recognition.
mikeysaling wrote:
Just to add two penneth - There used to be a saying (the red haters amongst you will love this although sadly the form of 'redness' specified no longer exists only with left wing politicians).

? - What is a Communist ?
A - One who has yearnings for equal division of unequal earnings !

Further but not related to that

Unions - Churches - Charities (addd more if you wish) are in business to perpetuate themselves - not their members

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May 28, 2016 11:13:44   #
Big Bill Loc: Phoenix, AZ
 
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Well, if you don't want to give to an organized charity, you could just give to the people on street corners with signs telling of their woes.

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May 28, 2016 11:17:40   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Got stuck with one a number of years ago, about 10 if memory serves. I received an email asking if I'd do some property photography. The person was trying to get a mortgage and needed photographs of the property. I replied with my hourly, 1/2 day and full day rates. They agreed to a 1/2 day. They'd also send a driver to pick me up and make sure I had the correct property, as there was no address. The subdivison was under construction. Their only requirement was they needed someone who was good and also honest, as they weren't going to be dealing with me directly.

The car/driver arrived as scheduled, the car was just short of a limo, the driver impeccably dressed. We drove to the site, which was a bit north of where I lived at the time. I spent a couple of hours taking photos of the property, they neighboring property and anything else I thought would assist their securing a mortgage. Job done, I was returned to my house to post process and mail off a CD of the photos, along with a bill for $350.00.

The payment arrived a few days later. I deposited the check and went about my day. A couple of days later I received notice that the check was drawn on a closed account. I should have left it die at that point. I wrote an email informing the person of the situation. I received an email back almost immediately. There was a profuse apology and the explanation that the account was closed when they changed banks and the secretary wasn't informed of the situation, or simply grabbed an old checkbook to send me the payment. Again profuse apologies and assurance that another check was on its way.

I received 4 U.S. Postal Money Orders within a few days. The only problem now was that it was for 10 times the amount they owed. I didn't want to loose the money orders so I, scanned them, and deposited them, but only after sending an email informing them of the mistake. Again, I received a reply asking that I wire the money back to them, as this would cause a financial burden, along with complimenting me on my honesty. I replied with an assurance that as soon as the check cleared, I'd wire the money minus my fee and costs to wire it. They replied that if I could expedite the return, they be very appreciative, as their account was not short a few thousand dollars. So, I did withdrew the amount needed to make up the difference and wired the money back.

A few days later, I received a call from the bank that the money orders were counterfeit. Things went downhill from there. I did take the high resolution scans, along with all correspondence to the local Secret Service office and discussed the issue with them. They appreciated the assistance, but there was nothing they could do other than enter the incident into their database. Very understandable.
--Bob


bdk wrote:
This story was told to me by a photographer in South Jersey, I may have some of the details different but you'll get the idea. Names are made up....

John the photographer was contacted by a person asking to take pics at a local dog rescue.
He said yes and was told someone would be contacting him.

John had made the assumption that he would donate a few hours a week taking pics to help get the dogs adopted.
when contacted he was told that it was a paying position. JOhn said that he was under the assumption that he would be doing it for free.

He was told, because we are non profit we still have to spend money to show on our books. BUT it sure would be nice if you donated the money back to the rescue.
John agreed.

So It was explained he would be paid by check from the adoption center but could he please make the donation giving the money back in cash. The reason, we just pay you and your giving us a check back, looks funny. ( when hearing the story I thought it was a check scam)
well John thought about that for a bit thinking it may be a scam, this guy gives him a fake check and John gives him real money. This wasn't the case though, the guy saw that John wasnt sure, he then told him, wait a week and be sure the check clears, then when you comeback next week you can give me the donation.

So far its working out and alls ok, till John gets a visit from the police. The guy had other people doing the same thing, offering their services, getting paid and then giving the money back as a donation.

The scam, the guy was only giving the center a few bucks and pocketing the rest...

My friend didnt know if he went to jail or what happened. Fortunately the photographer kept records.

Another scam , if your selling camera equipment on Craigs list, avoid the guys that want to send you extra money to pay for postage, then you return the extra thats a scam too.

Im sure there are other Photographer scams out there, do u know any?
This story was told to me by a photographer in Sou... (show quote)

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May 28, 2016 11:34:24   #
scsdesphotography Loc: Southeastern Michigan
 
This is not really a place for political discussion except as it relates to photography, but since the Red Cross was mentioned, I'll respond. My wife and I were volunteers in their Single Family Disaster Relief Program for many years, so I speak from experience. The Red Cross is chartered by Congress as our official national disaster relief program and as such is subject to some government oversight. It depends on voluntary charitable contributions to do its work and while it has had issues over the years (most large organizations do) most of its efforts and resources do go to its mission of helping victims of disasters. You may or may not want to donate your hard earned dollars to their work, that is your choice, but the Red Cross is definitely not a scam.

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May 28, 2016 11:40:26   #
John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN
 
Keldon wrote:
Nope! I couldn't! It bothers me to see people get conned into giving their hardearned money to unscrupulous bastards.
(I hope you noticed I at least gave the politicians a break.)


This is why I rely on our local Charities Review Council ratings. A charity must apply and submit verifiable data attesting that they confirm to council standards. Some other States have similar councils and there is even a national whose name I forget.

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May 28, 2016 11:41:10   #
zigipha Loc: north nj
 
RichardSM wrote:
You forgot one: United Way a total scam I helped them through my company until I found out what they were doing.

And what were they doing? I think UW is one of the good ones

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May 28, 2016 11:42:50   #
markngolf Loc: Bridgewater, NJ
 
Thanks for that post. It's a nice break from all the Political Chanting that seems to incorporate into almost any discussion. And, from their lengthy posts, it appears there are some who relish the opportunity and have a great deal of time on their hands.

Mark

scsdesphotography wrote:
This is not really a place for political discussion except as it relates to photography, but since the Red Cross was mentioned, I'll respond. My wife and I were volunteers in their Single Family Disaster Relief Program for many years, so I speak from experience. The Red Cross is chartered by Congress as our official national disaster relief program and as such is subject to some government oversight. It depends on voluntary charitable contributions to do its work and while it has had issues over the years (most large organizations do) most of its efforts and resources do go to its mission of helping victims of disasters. You may or may not want to donate your hard earned dollars to their work, that is your choice, but the Red Cross is definitely not a scam.
This is not really a place for political discussio... (show quote)

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May 28, 2016 11:51:50   #
pete-m Loc: Casper, WY
 
Keldon wrote:
Nope! I couldn't! It bothers me to see people get conned into giving their hardearned money to unscrupulous bastards.
(I hope you noticed I at least gave the politicians a break.)


There are a few good charities. Salvation Army is one.
I agree that most of these organizations have highly paid executives and only a small portion of the total donations are actually put to good use.

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May 28, 2016 11:55:46   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Again, charity begins at home.
Big Bill wrote:
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Well, if you don't want to give to an organized charity, you could just give to the people on street corners with signs telling of their woes.

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May 28, 2016 12:06:37   #
CAS1951 Loc: San Diego
 
Mogul wrote:
If you're afraid of that, there are websites maintained by legitimate financial and business integrity sites that will tell you what percentage goes to actual project funding versus salaries, office operation, advertising, etc. Just Google "charity ratings" or go to the BBB site. Tarring all charities with the same brush is unfair, prejudicial, defamatory and ____________ (fill in your own word).



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