The $2.5 Billion U.S. Power Line That No State Can Stop
Mar 26, 2016 18:28:57 #
Mar 26, 2016 19:06:51 #
dirtpusher wrote:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-03-25/the-2-5-billion-u-s-transmission-line-that-no-state-can-stop
One has to ask why any state would want to stop this (or any other) transmission line from distributing clean (i.e., wind-generated) power?
My cynicism says state regulators are protecting existing hydrocarbon-based generating plants within their borders from any competition that might cause a rate drop. That's great for the private investor owned generating plants, but not so great for their customers.
And not so great for the environment, either.
Mar 26, 2016 19:08:16 #
But what the article did not mention at all was how end users will be taxed at 100% and that will pay for the subsidy to supply free electricity to those already on welfare. I just love socialism.
Mar 26, 2016 19:36:57 #
tainkc wrote:
But what the article did not mention at all was how end users will be taxed at 100% and that will pay for the subsidy to supply free electricity to those already on welfare. I just love socialism.
Your source of information for that assertion?
Mar 26, 2016 23:08:43 #
bdo wrote:
Your source of information for that assertion?
they doing it like that in nevada and oregon right now. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Mar 26, 2016 23:18:27 #
dirtpusher wrote:
they doing it like that in nevada and oregon right now. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Once again, what is your reliable source for that information?
Never mind...
Mar 26, 2016 23:22:22 #
bdo wrote:
Once again, what is your reliable source for that information?
Never mind...
Never mind...
google. lol..... hold on
Mar 26, 2016 23:25:43 #
bdo wrote:
Once again, what is your reliable source for that information?
Never mind...
Never mind...
http://www.reviewjournal.com/business/solarcity-cuts-550-nevada-jobs-blames-new-net-metering-rate
http://www.slate.com/articles/business/the_juice/2016/01/solarcity_and_vivint_pulled_out_of_nevada_is_solar_power_losing_at_the_state.html
http://vegasinc.com/business/2016/feb/22/las-vegas-rooftop-solar-company-files-for-bankrupt/l
these all about it/,.
Mar 27, 2016 07:26:11 #
dirtpusher wrote:
google. lol..... hold on
Exactly right, Many of the people in Nevada that spent money to install solar and other renewable sources are now paying much larger electric bills because the electric service is charging them a higher rate and then buying the power they generate back at a fraction of the worth. Several of the TV News magazines did articles about how they were having their solar generators disconnected because they were costing them money rather than saving them money.
Mar 27, 2016 12:19:22 #
I may be 30+ years removed from betting my BSEE and MSEE, but 4000MW of power on a 600 kV line (DC) is going to take 6,666 amps of current. Who is confident that the crack regulators at the DOE have fully considered the impact of the MONSTROUS magnetic field that will surround these transmission lines.
Mar 27, 2016 12:22:38 #
thomseninc wrote:
I may be 30+ years removed from betting my BSEE and MSEE, but 4000MW of power on a 600 kV line (DC) is going to take 6,666 amps of current. Who is confident that the crack regulators at the DOE have fully considered the impact of the MONSTROUS magnetic field that will surround these transmission lines.
My guess? They haven't.
Mar 27, 2016 14:54:15 #
The math is i=p/e, or i=600x10,000/4000,000,000. Which equals 150 micro amps. That is the only way that DC can be transmitted without very high losses (e.g. low current). It would be interesting to find out how they will convert it to AC on the receiving end.
Mar 27, 2016 17:29:16 #
I'm pretty (i.e., very) sure I remember this: In a DC circuit, power (in watts) = volts x amps. So, (according to the article) 4,000 MW = 600 kV x current in amps, or current = 6,666 amps.
Mar 27, 2016 17:58:20 #
thomseninc wrote:
I'm pretty (i.e., very) sure I remember this: In a DC circuit, power (in watts) = volts x amps. So, (according to the article) 4,000 MW = 600 kV x current in amps, or current = 6,666 amps.
I believe that 4000MW is 4,000,000,000 watts (MW equal million watts) Now, do the math: i=600KV divided by the 4,000MWs.
Mar 27, 2016 20:52:49 #
f8bengal
Loc: West Nawth Carolinah
Not a 700 mile DC power line!! How many times do they have to prove that Edison was wrong about DC current, and that AC transmission is the only way to go? Do we have to have to have the Chicago World's Fair all over again? Resistance losses in a DC line that distance won't leave enough juice to run a one-slice toaster by the time it gets to Tennessee. Not only that but Tennessee is still running on depression-era TVA dam projects and cut-rate power rates that the rest of us are still paying for.
Not only that but the enviro-wackos stopped another hydro dam in Tennessee because it might upset a 2" long minnow call the snail darter. So, now Oklahoma is going to kill millions of eagles and other endangered birds so that Tennessee won't have to irritate the snail darters, pay much higher power rates for the privilege and still have to have redundant coal/gas power on standby. Doing nothing.
Am I sounding cynical?
Not only that but the enviro-wackos stopped another hydro dam in Tennessee because it might upset a 2" long minnow call the snail darter. So, now Oklahoma is going to kill millions of eagles and other endangered birds so that Tennessee won't have to irritate the snail darters, pay much higher power rates for the privilege and still have to have redundant coal/gas power on standby. Doing nothing.
Am I sounding cynical?
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