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Mar 14, 2016 17:33:49   #
aellman Loc: Boston MA
 
ecar wrote:
I know how you feel.

I've had to go back a dozen times to look at the pic's taken with my 5D III or 7D II to really get an appreciation of the quality. My first glances didn't give me the big bang.

But remember, those cell phone pic's that look so good on the phones lose alot when transferred to your computer, when you compare them to your nice DSLR's.

As for film, I wouldn't go back to that anymore than I'd go back to vinyl records. But everyone is different. Just Don't sell your DSLR's before you take a side step either to film, or a point & shoot. Then go back and compare.

One thing is sure IMHO, if you want a really quality Pic, you have to have a quality camera, and a little more experience.
I know how you feel. br br I've had to go back a ... (show quote)


I beg to differ on two counts. The 8mpx quality of my IPhone 5s loses no quality when uploaded to my computer. It is exactly the same. On your reference to vinyl records, there is a significant number of serious music buffs returning to them after realizing that an analog recording is superior to a digital recording, such as a CD, due to file compression. This trend has reinvigorated some small record stores.

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Mar 14, 2016 17:51:46   #
Uuglypher Loc: South Dakota (East River)
 
obeone wrote:
I've become less and less excited about my photography. When anyone with a smart phone and a few apps can crank out decent and sometimes even good photos, I find the thrill has gone.
Using digital cameras and Photoshop has left me feeling more like a technician than an artist. Chimping after every shot and making corrections as needed- then moving them into Photo Shop has killed the thrill. I was to the point of even selling my 5d MkIII. I decided to keep it, but I'm going back to film for a few months. Bought a Canon 1V and ordered 10 rolls of Tri-X and chemicals to develop same. Will scan negs instead of printing, although I may break out the enlarger at some point.
I think, having to get it right in the camera, was half of the fun and the challenge. The wait to see if "you got it", made it exciting. It's a - pitting my skills against everything that can go wrong - kind of thing.
I've become less and less excited about my photogr... (show quote)


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Hi, obeone,
A waning of the Thrill?
I did experience that briefly early in my digital career ( following fifty-two years of progress from paper negatives and DIY dry plates through a variety of films and formats and camera brands). After a couple of years shooting Jpegs and then raw I began to feel much as you've described...until I became aware that even with raw capture I had not begun to use my digital cameras to the full extent of their capabilities. And as soon as I began to routinely expose raw image files using the extra raw-accessible dynamic range almost every camera can deliver, and to once again spend my time concentrating on my subjects and on my accurately pre-visualized images thereof that the waning stopped! The malaise was quickly replaced with a re-birth of the absorbing, joyful exhilaration that photography had provided to me throughout that initial half century-plus of my journey.

For me, anyway, the answer lay in awareness of how routinely to utilize the extra, unadvertised raw-accessible dynamic range that every one of my digital camera has been proven to have in that razzle-dazzle sensor that accounted for half to 2/3 of the price that I had paid for each camera body!

That awareness has permitted me far more photographic creative latitude than I had theretofore ever experienced...and it was as if the journey had begun anew!

And photography colleagues wonder why I have become such an eager, evangelical proselytizer of the good news of the practice of "Expose Beyond the Right" (EBTR). It can, for the photographer in the common "slump" of "photographer's block" be a life-changing experience, from which, as a friend has said "you'll never look back !"

Enthusiastique ?
Moi ?
Yeah, just a little!

Dave in SD

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Mar 14, 2016 18:26:06   #
Paul in CT Loc: Watertown, CT
 
I guess for me the thrill isn't in the gear (although it's fun to get new toys) or film v digital, or post processing or new techniques.

It's about showing another person (and maybe yourself) the beauty and truth in our world. Causing an emotional reaction (happy, sad, awe, angry, etc.) is what art is about. Photography is not different than painting, music, dance.

Like love, our ability to create is a gift from God and it only exists when we share it.

Sorry if I sound philosophical or sentimental.

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Mar 14, 2016 18:56:23   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
aellman wrote:
I beg to differ on two counts. The 8mpx quality of my IPhone 5s loses no quality when uploaded to my computer. It is exactly the same. On your reference to vinyl records, there is a significant number of serious music buffs returning to them after realizing that an analog recording is superior to a digital recording, such as a CD, due to file compression. This trend has reinvigorated some small record stores.


minor disagreement
vinyl sounds different because of the repro method, and not all digital sounds bad, mainly the awful MP3 and its relatives most are used to today. The HD digital formats sound great. And I read of a method to process them so they sound just like vinyl.
It doesn't do me much good. My tinnitus and other hearing tone loss limit me to using noise canceling head phones or LOUD to hear the music well. And I don't like loud, it makes the tinnitus worse.

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Mar 14, 2016 19:04:05   #
Jim Bob
 
robertjerl wrote:
minor disagreement
vinyl sounds different because of the repro method, and not all digital sounds bad, mainly the awful MP3 and its relatives most are used to today. The HD digital formats sound great. And I read of a method to process them so they sound just like vinyl.
It doesn't do me much good. My tinnitus and other hearing tone loss limit me to using noise canceling head phones or LOUD to hear the music well. And I don't like loud, it makes the tinnitus worse.


When digital is mastered right, vinyl doen't come close.

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Mar 14, 2016 19:13:12   #
CLP1943 Loc: Wisconsin
 
obeone wrote:
I started with digital with the Sony Mavica when it first came out and went to Canon when they went digital. Started with Photoshop with 3rd release. Couldn't see much use with the first versions that were free and came on a floppy.
I don't know everything there is to know about Photoshop, but what I don't know falls into the category of things I'll probably never need or use.
I've been through my camera's manual several times and know just about every function and setting, as well as where each menu setting is and what it does. But, I still chimp when I'm using it, just to make sure I didn't miss something. In short, it's made me sloppy.
I could, as you suggest, just not chimp and wait to see what I got, but I'm a firm believer in going back to the basics.
Just me, and the way I do things.
Thanks, for the input.
I started with digital with the Sony Mavica when i... (show quote)


Just what does it mean "to chimp" ?

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Mar 14, 2016 19:21:43   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Paul in CT wrote:
I guess for me the thrill isn't in the gear (although it's fun to get new toys) or film v digital, or post processing or new techniques.

It's about showing another person (and maybe yourself) the beauty and truth in our world. Causing an emotional reaction (happy, sad, awe, angry, etc.) is what art is about. Photography is not different than painting, music, dance.

Like love, our ability to create is a gift from God and it only exists when we share it.

Sorry if I sound philosophical or sentimental.
I guess for me the thrill isn't in the gear (altho... (show quote)


:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

Having a goal to communicate something is a HUGE motivator for me to be creative.

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Mar 14, 2016 19:29:58   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Jim Bob wrote:
When digital is mastered right, vinyl doen't come close.


:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

I have many original works on vinyl and subsequent re-releases on CD. I can't recall any of them sounding better on vinyl.

If you ever have a chance, listen to studio masters recorded at 96 KHz sampling rates. They beat the pants off the best analog tape I ever used. There is no perceivable tape hiss, wow, flutter, or other analog discrepancies.

Digital technology can record FAR more than most adults over the age of 25 can hear. By my age, 60, most have lost the ability to hear well at frequencies above 12 KHz. In my teens, I could hear (sense, really) tones up to 22 KHz. So all this nonsense about vinyl sounding better is silly. I don't miss the snap, crackle, pop of dust, scratches, and surface imperfections.

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Mar 14, 2016 19:36:58   #
PaulR
 
The thrill is still there....my easel is still my viewfinder...the wonders of shape form and symmetry in God's creation....humans and flowers and landscapes....and so many other things that captivate me....I just can't stop snapping the shutter...and then painting them just like I want them in Lightroom....or allowing the Master Artist of the Universe to show me His great talents when he paints His creation with glorious light....my friend there is no end to it....no boredom ever.....open your eyes it's all there just for you....forget everyone else....they can't see what you see....its your world not there's...you are the master of it....enjoy it....go Film..digital too.

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Mar 14, 2016 19:43:44   #
Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA
 
To look at your picture on your lcd display right after you take it to see if it came out OK. Usually you would also magnify the pic on the lcd to check for focus, noise, etc. By chimping, you can decide if you got the shot you thought you did, or need to retake it. People using film can't chimp because the film has to be processed. If their shots down't come out they are out of luck.
Bob


CLP1943 wrote:
Just what does it mean "to chimp" ?

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Mar 14, 2016 19:56:25   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
Jim Bob wrote:
When digital is mastered right, vinyl doen't come close.


:thumbup: :thumbup:

Nice to agree with you on something! :-D :-D :lol:

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Mar 14, 2016 19:58:03   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
robertjerl wrote:
minor disagreement
vinyl sounds different because of the repro method, and not all digital sounds bad, mainly the awful MP3 and its relatives most are used to today. The HD digital formats sound great. And I read of a method to process them so they sound just like vinyl.
It doesn't do me much good. My tinnitus and other hearing tone loss limit me to using noise canceling head phones or LOUD to hear the music well. And I don't like loud, it makes the tinnitus worse.


Sorry you have to deal with those things. Totally agree on good digital and also the processing. Take care!

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Mar 14, 2016 20:01:43   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
burkphoto wrote:
:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

I have many original works on vinyl and subsequent re-releases on CD. I can't recall any of them sounding better on vinyl.

If you ever have a chance, listen to studio masters recorded at 96 KHz sampling rates. They beat the pants off the best analog tape I ever used. There is no perceivable tape hiss, wow, flutter, or other analog discrepancies.

Digital technology can record FAR more than most adults over the age of 25 can hear. By my age, 60, most have lost the ability to hear well at frequencies above 12 KHz. In my teens, I could hear (sense, really) tones up to 22 KHz. So all this nonsense about vinyl sounding better is silly. I don't miss the snap, crackle, pop of dust, scratches, and surface imperfections.
:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumb... (show quote)


Yes!!!!

I miss the album art and all of those things, but if you look at the blu-ray packaging of some of David Gilmour's and Pink Floyd's last albums you can understand mastery of a medium. And yes, they offer vinyl for those that want it.

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Mar 14, 2016 20:02:34   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
CLP1943 wrote:
Just what does it mean "to chimp" ?


Oook?

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Mar 14, 2016 20:13:55   #
Kuzano
 
Grnway wrote:
Hi obeone,
Very cool that you have the film gear and processing ability. You're spot-on with just constantly shooting with digital.

Here's a simple solution, and this is something that was suggested in a photography blog: Tape a piece of paper over the display, go out and concentrate on composition and minimal shots, as we all did in film days, and see what you have when you get home. No chimping.


And furthermore... no chimping for 4-6 hours, or try 10 days... before you look at your images. And No RAW and No PP.

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