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Feb 3, 2016 22:32:36   #
Bloke Loc: Waynesboro, Pennsylvania
 
sirlensalot wrote:
There is the law, and there is the reality of working for a school district.


Exactly! That is the point which most people don't seem to get. I have explained it in about 10 replies during this discussion, but people still come in and give the same advice about forcing the issue... Maybe when I am no longer driving the bus - but of course *then* I won't be taking the trips to the away games!

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Feb 3, 2016 22:32:38   #
Marionsho Loc: Kansas
 
Dlevon wrote:
Its a shame that society has come to this, that we have to have this discussion!


:thumbup: :thumbup:

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Feb 3, 2016 22:35:24   #
Marionsho Loc: Kansas
 
Bunko.T wrote:
Having read many of the responses here, I must mention the Facebook factor.
The rubbish that goes out on that medium includes, often, photos of infants to teenagers, posted there by parents.
The double standards of the paranoid society is mindless.
If they are troubled by what MIGHT happen, they should stay in bed all day. An aeroplane MIGHT drop out of the sky on them.


You're exactly right. Idiots put phone photos on Facebook, along with GPS coordinates, of their kids, in their homes.
So many don't know that the info. is included with the image.

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Feb 3, 2016 22:43:34   #
Bloke Loc: Waynesboro, Pennsylvania
 
sirlensalot wrote:
Unfortunately, you are treated with the same attitude that is shared by most school districts. As an employee you have to bow to the will and whim of the administration while parents, students, press, and pros, are permitted to do what you are not. Bottom line is and always will be if the administration deems it has no benefit for them or the school, you are out. Why you were singled out vs others will remain a mystery you will never unravel.
This comes from the same people that have video cameras on the school buses. It's not about student safety or rights, it's about liability. Parents have and will sue schools for almost anything these days.
Unfortunately, you are treated with the same attit... (show quote)


Well, I am working on it, and maybe will get permission to shoot at their home games. I figure if I can get some decent photos, and provide a service for the school, maybe it can be expanded later. Who knows.

We have video on most of the buses now, but that is another farce. It was supposed to be done to help with the serious discipline problems we were having on a lot of the buses. In practice, every time they pulled the video because of an incident, they ended up blaming me! "The kids are shouting abuse out of the window because you are not stopping them..." No, I am trying to safely drive through town in an ancient vehicle which *nobody* ever wants to get caught behind... I reported one student for persistent foul language - and it *was* foul. The head of transportation (same person at the head of this thread) refused to even submit it to the principal, because she said I had to be audible on the tape, saying "don't swear", at least every couple of seconds... These are high school students, not kindergarteners. They know the rules, which are posted at the front of every bus, but nobody will do anything because I am not constantly repeating them. Everyone agrees that there should be an aide on every bus, but the school district says that it is the contractors' responsibility to pay for that, and the contractors say it is the school district's responsibility. So, nobody pays for it, and we don't have it. We are required to maintain discipline on the bus, while driving it. Heaven help the driver who has an accident because he was busy maintaining discipline...!

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Feb 3, 2016 22:47:24   #
Bloke Loc: Waynesboro, Pennsylvania
 
Marionsho wrote:
You're exactly right. Idiots put phone photos on Facebook, along with GPS coordinates, of their kids, in their homes.
So many don't know that the info. is included with the image.


The biggest concern of the school seems to be that some parents do not want any pictures of their kids published anywhere. I can see that there could be a small number that would apply to, witsec people, or those hiding from abusive exes. It doesn't seem logical to me, however, that people in that position would have their kids singing solos with the band, or becoming the star quarterback! Maintaining their secrecy, for whatever reason, should be the parent's responsibility, not the school's.

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Feb 3, 2016 22:48:30   #
Marionsho Loc: Kansas
 
Bloke wrote:
Well, I am working on it, and maybe will get permission to shoot at their home games. I figure if I can get some decent photos, and provide a service for the school, maybe it can be expanded later. Who knows.

We have video on most of the buses now, but that is another farce. It was supposed to be done to help with the serious discipline problems we were having on a lot of the buses. In practice, every time they pulled the video because of an incident, they ended up blaming me! "The kids are shouting abuse out of the window because you are not stopping them..." No, I am trying to safely drive through town in an ancient vehicle which *nobody* ever wants to get caught behind... I reported one student for persistent foul language - and it *was* foul. The head of transportation (same person at the head of this thread) refused to even submit it to the principal, because she said I had to be audible on the tape, saying "don't swear", at least every couple of seconds... These are high school students, not kindergarteners. They know the rules, which are posted at the front of every bus, but nobody will do anything because I am not constantly repeating them. Everyone agrees that there should be an aide on every bus, but the school district says that it is the contractors' responsibility to pay for that, and the contractors say it is the school district's responsibility. So, nobody pays for it, and we don't have it. We are required to maintain discipline on the bus, while driving it. Heaven help the driver who has an accident because he was busy maintaining discipline...!
Well, I am working on it, and maybe will get permi... (show quote)


And to think what might happen if he stopped the bus for any reason. :lol: :lol:

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Feb 4, 2016 06:18:42   #
CLF Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Phil, I drove a school bus after I retired in 2001. Drove until 2010 and agree with you. The school system seems to be so paranoid throughout the country I believe they are now educating our children to become like themselves. It is good security to look over your shoulder every now and then but walking backwards will cause you more problems then what may be behind you.

As usual, my $.02, Greg

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Feb 4, 2016 16:40:28   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Maybe so, but that is a different subject. The OP protested discrimination against photographers.
oldtigger wrote:
it is a shame these 9 pages were not dedicated to removing athletics from the school system.
Get rid of athletics and put our tax dollars back to work in the classroom teaching something useful.

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Feb 4, 2016 17:15:51   #
oldtigger Loc: Roanoke Virginia-USA
 
anotherview wrote:
...The OP protested discrimination against photographers.

And i responded:
"I really feel kiddy pictures should be taken by event photographers and parents. It would be nice if the OP were free to photograph anything but it just doesn't work that way anymore.
Get a set of credentials and do it by the book, it might save a trip to court."

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Feb 4, 2016 17:21:23   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Your response appears to call for government regulation of photographers, yet without a rational supporting argument for this change.
oldtigger wrote:
And i responded:
"I really feel kiddy pictures should be taken by event photographers and parents. It would be nice if the OP were free to photograph anything but it just doesn't work that way anymore.
Get a set of credentials and do it by the book, it might save a trip to court."

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Feb 4, 2016 17:30:07   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
This scenario plays to the fear of parents whose youngsters attend school events where anybody may take their photograph:

Prospect High School warns parents about photographer accused of child porn

(found at: http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/arlington-heights/news/ct-northwestern-university-cop-child-porn-prospect-met-20160204-story.html)

I note here, however, that, if I read the report correctly, this suspect did not take unlawful photographs at school events. Instead, he received an award for his school event photography.

Yet, we may have here the proverbial situation where one apple spoils the barrel.

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Feb 4, 2016 17:46:46   #
PaulR01 Loc: West Texas
 
I read a few pages of some of the posts and don't have time today to read them all. I shoot primarily sports. (Freelance and for hire) A school can't stop you from taking pictures from the stands and posting them unless you are making money on the photos. (Whole new set of rules)No parent consent is required or anything. Most schools require the parents in the beginning of the school year to sign the student hand book. And in most contracts they ask the parents for permission to use pictures taken at the school or events to help benefit the school.
Now some of your larger schools will contract all photos out and the pro photographer will have a clause that says they take all official school pictures except for people with media passes. So checking with legal is a legit delay sometimes.
The best route to a school to get on the field or court is thru the Athletic Directors and the person responsible for the Annual or school news paper. I get a lot of invites just posting extra pictures I have on the opposing schools or alumnis Facebook pages.
I wish you luck. Not sure what equipment you are using now. But be prepared to sink some serious dollars into equipment if shooting in gyms or under lights if you haven't already done so.

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Feb 4, 2016 18:22:54   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
As the voice of experience, you make some good points. I note that your useful comments, however, do not account for the situation of the OP who apparently feels the school discriminates against him as a photographer, and he has to put up with this discrimination or else lose his position as an employee.

My view: He should just move on. Plenty of other photographic opportunities exist out there.

In fact, if he really wants to photograph youth sporting events, he could find the club teams that do sports in his area. The school system does not control these teams. These teams play in a circuit with many games. I attended a few female soccer games involving such teams until I found this endeavor not for me.
PaulR01 wrote:
I read a few pages of some of the posts and don't have time today to read them all. I shoot primarily sports. (Freelance and for hire) A school can't stop you from taking pictures from the stands and posting them unless you are making money on the photos. (Whole new set of rules)No parent consent is required or anything. Most schools require the parents in the beginning of the school year to sign the student hand book. And in most contracts they ask the parents for permission to use pictures taken at the school or events to help benefit the school.
Now some of your larger schools will contract all photos out and the pro photographer will have a clause that says they take all official school pictures except for people with media passes. So checking with legal is a legit delay sometimes.
The best route to a school to get on the field or court is thru the Athletic Directors and the person responsible for the Annual or school news paper. I get a lot of invites just posting extra pictures I have on the opposing schools or alumnis Facebook pages.
I wish you luck. Not sure what equipment you are using now. But be prepared to sink some serious dollars into equipment if shooting in gyms or under lights if you haven't already done so.
I read a few pages of some of the posts and don't ... (show quote)

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Feb 14, 2016 13:19:48   #
bobbygee
 
Bloke wrote:
I am always looking to expand my skills, trying my hand at macro, portraits, HDR, etc. I recently upgraded my equipment quite a bit, and want to try my hand at sports photography.

First, a bit of background... I am a school bus driver, currently with more than 10 years on the job. This year, I have pulled back a bit, and am basically driving as a substitute, and taking field trips for the sports teams.

So, here I am, spending a couple of afternoons a week sitting on a bus, waiting for the teams to finish their games and come back, so I can run them back to school again.

Seems like a recipe for happiness, yes? Or at least serendipity...

Yesterday afternoon, I was to take our middle-school girl's basketball team to a neighboring school district. I know that some school districts are a bit 'peculiar' when it comes to photos of students (I had a discipline issue on the bus, and the mother of the culprit was called in to the school - she was not allowed to watch the video, because it portrayed other students...), so I called the school that we were to visit. The secretary wouldn't even consider the question, and passed me on to the principal, who of course was not at his desk, so I left a message. I explained that I was a bus driver, bringing the visiting teams for their games, and would like to photograph the games.

He never called back, or at least not until after I left. Someone on his staff *did* however, call the transportation director of this district, basically saying "why is this pervert wanting to take photos of our students?". My boss got a phone call that she really couldn't answer.

I was told that under no circumstances was I to enter their school building with a camera.

An administrator from the school we were visiting did eventually call back and leave me a message. Apparently, they only allow professional press photographers to take pictures of their games...

Do these people realize that every single person who comes to watch the games is carrying a camera in their phone??? Parents, friends, even other members of the team, are all snapping away on their cellphones. The kids on the team were all comparing their photos on the bus going back afterwards...

What kind of sick minds do these people have, that they can only think a pervert might want to take photos? I do this for my church, and occasionally for the local Y, when I run trips for their summer daycare. I am strictly amateur, and when I have processed the images, I drop off a CD, and tell them that they can pass pictures on to interested parents. My church pictures usually get posted on Facebook, and/or the church's own website.

So, here I am, wanting to take sports photographs, and I get to sit on the bus waiting for the kids to come out... I could go in, but I am only interested in the photography side, and have no real interest in the game, per se.

Anybody else come across this kind of stupidity???
I am always looking to expand my skills, trying my... (show quote)


Every sporting event I attend includes my camera. Most of the pictures are middle school and high school sports. The only time I was asked not to take pictures, I asked them to gather up every cell phone. The person who asked me to put my camera away turned and walked away. I took 340 pictures of an overtime basketball game and sent the winning basket to the school-which then turned around and posted that picture on Facebook and Twitter. So much for not taking pictures!!

I never get in the way of a school photographer, don't use flash and don't try to sell the pictures. The school photographers have even shared some tips and tricks with me. I go under the net for basketball and travel the sidelines for football, lacrosse and soccer.

You are right--everybody has a camera. Until and unless they ban ALL photography, don't even ask--just take pictures.

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Feb 14, 2016 13:28:24   #
bobbygee
 
picturesofdogs wrote:
Go to the ACLU website and do a search for photographers rights. Public schools are public property. If the event can be viewed without undo effort and there is no expectation of privacy you have every right to photograph the game. Take your camera, find a good spot and have fun.


Amen

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