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Dec 11, 2015 10:24:10   #
tjphxaz Loc: Phoenix, AZ
 
tramsey wrote:
Most of my work is wild life. I have a friend in the restaurant business who allows me to display my work for sale. I am satisfied with the whistles and bells on the 7100 but looking for better image quality. I have one lens a Nikkor DX 18-300. If I decide to go to the d750 I will also upgrade the lens to a FX 80-400.
Finally to my question; would the increase in image quality be significant enough to warrant the money spent. B&H has the camera for 1900 and the lens for 2300 for total of 4200. I could probably sell my current outfit for 1500 or so; leaving an expenditure of 2700.

I would appreciate what you have to say.

I have both cameras and the lens that are the subjects of your question.
Thanks in advance.
Most of my work is wild life. I have a friend in ... (show quote)


I have both cameras and the FX lens you reference in your question. Given your stated use is wildlife photography, I suggest you take the change in stages by getting the 80-400 mm FX lens (new VRII model) first. On your 7100 crop sensor that lens will equate to 120-600mm. Add a 1.4II or III teleconverter and you extend the reach out to more than 800mm.
After you have worked that combo a while, you might rent a D750 for a shoot to see the effect of full frame on your results.
You will have to decide on the body but I'm confident the Nikon 80-400 FX lens will be a good choice regardless.

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Dec 11, 2015 10:24:11   #
warrenvon Loc: Ellicott City, MD
 
There is a big down side to the 200-500 mm lens and that is the 200mm low end.

There will be more than few times when you'd really wish for the 80mm end of the 80-400 lens.

The 800-400 is a really nice walk around wild life lens. Yes . . . it is heavy; but the use of a Black Rapid like shoulder strap or anything other than a neck strap will make the weight much easier to carry for extended periods of time.

I'm 80 and can carry mine around all day without undue wear and tear on my shoulders.

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Dec 11, 2015 10:44:47   #
orrie smith Loc: Kansas
 
you may also want to check out the tamron 150-600mm. great lens for much less money. maybe you could rent both lenses and compare the images. about the d750, i have both the d7200 and the d750 and love both cameras, but i have to say the d7200 has become my backup camera as the d750 is so much nicer to me.

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Dec 11, 2015 11:03:44   #
shutterbob Loc: Tucson
 
dannac wrote:
Doubt you can get that for the 7100 and 18-300mm.


I believe Nikon has drastically dropped the price on the 7100 and the 18-300. You could buy the combinstion new for less than $1500 :thumbup:

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Dec 11, 2015 12:48:06   #
MtnMan Loc: ID
 
tramsey wrote:
Most of my work is wild life. I have a friend in the restaurant business who allows me to display my work for sale. I am satisfied with the whistles and bells on the 7100 but looking for better image quality. I have one lens a Nikkor DX 18-300. If I decide to go to the d750 I will also upgrade the lens to a FX 80-400.
Finally to my question; would the increase in image quality be significant enough to warrant the money spent. B&H has the camera for 1900 and the lens for 2300 for total of 4200. I could probably sell my current outfit for 1500 or so; leaving an expenditure of 2700.

I would appreciate what you have to say.

Thanks in advance.
Most of my work is wild life. I have a friend in ... (show quote)


The camera would decrease image quality from 24MP to 10 MP on the DX area.

The lens would likely greatly increase image quality over the 18-300. You can use the 80-400 on the D7100 also.

If cost is any concern consider the new Nikon 200-500. It is fabulous.

I might add that I use the 200-500 on my D5300 over my D800 on wildlife because of the better image quality.

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Dec 11, 2015 14:32:59   #
tramsey Loc: Texas
 
martinfisherphoto wrote:
I just made the upgrade from a D7000 and Nikon 70-300mm VR to the D600 and 80-400mm. If I had to do it all over I would have either gotten the D7200 for More reach or gotten the best full frame the D810. If I had the money, D810 and the Nikon 200-400mm VR lens for my equipment.. Wildlife photography is so Much more than equipment. To get killer shots you have to get Close, and then a little closer. That means using blinds, crawling on your belly and any other trick you can come up with. Not to mention your ability to tweak the final image. And if you want the sharpest pictures available, you need to look at the even more expensive prime lens. Just my 2-cents.
A few examples of the my D600 & 80-400mm set-up http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-304904-1.html
http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-297910-1.html
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I've set up duck blinds and deer stands in strategic places and seem to be having luck with them IF I get to them early enough which is at least a half hour before sunrise.
Thanks for the thought. I remember you posting those shots and was as impressed then as I am now. Thanks

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Dec 11, 2015 14:35:26   #
tramsey Loc: Texas
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Tough question, but regardless of the cost vs image quality, you'll know that your D750 will be doing a better job than your D7100. One of the links below lets you choose two cameras and compare enlarged images from each. You'll see better results from the D750.

http://camerasize.com/
http://www.imaging-resource.com/IMCOMP/COMPS01.HTM
http://snapsort.com/compare
http://www.dpreview.com/products/compare/cameras?utm_campaign=internal-link&utm_source=mainmenu&utm_medium=text&ref=mainmenu
http://www.imaging-resource.com/cameras/compare/
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That's a good one Jerry. I've used all of those sites except camerasize in my research.

Thanks for the comeback

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Dec 11, 2015 14:37:14   #
tramsey Loc: Texas
 
Mark7829 wrote:
Well, the D750 is DPReviews Camera of The Year for 2015. That beats the Sony AR7 II. It is a quality camera. Like all good cameras it needs a good lens. For wild life, there is never enough reach, but be cautious, image quality drops at the extremes. You would do well with the D610. I would consider, 500 f/4, 200-400 f/4, 200-500 mm, 80-400 mm in that order. for the 500, 200-400 and the 80-400 you can still put a TC and still have auto-focus. I would also consider used and refurbished on the quality lenses. These big lenses often sit in their bags and only used for specific shootout. Used and refurbished are great deals.

I agree. The most important ingredient in a good photo is six inches behind the viewfinder.

But all that being said, your biggest investment should be in yourself. Having good equipment is one part of the quality question the other is ability and knowledge to use the equipment. The final part is the photographer's skill set, knowledge of use of light and composition, the later being the most important. In my opinion, it is 10% equipment and 90% photographer. real photographers know that to be true.
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Dec 11, 2015 14:59:41   #
CHASEPLACEMAIL Loc: Ct,Fla
 
[quote=tramsey]Most of my work is wild life. I have a friend in the restaurant business who allows me to display my work for sale. I am satisfied with the whistles and bells on the 7100 but looking for better image quality. I have one lens a Nikkor DX 18-300. If I decide to go to the d750 I will also upgrade the lens to a FX 80-400.
Finally to my question; would the increase in image quality be significant enough to warrant the money spent. B&H has the camera for 1900 and the lens for 2300 for total of 4200. I could probably sell my current outfit for 1500 or so; leaving an expenditure of 2700.

I would appreciate what you have to say.

I went from a Nikon D90 to a D750. I had other reasons to prefer the d750 to the D7100 BUT.... I also like to do wildlife and if that was my main rationale I would try the D7100 with a Tamron 150-600 first. I found that, with the D750, I needed the Tamron (around $1100) to get the length needed for some wildlife. It's high quality and on a d7100 it would give you 225-900mm.
You could rent a Tamron for under $100 and try it. If it works for you it would save you thousands of $ and perhaps still give you the results you're looking for.

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Dec 11, 2015 15:19:44   #
NoSocks Loc: quonochontaug, rhode island
 
dannac wrote:
Doubt you can get that for the 7100 and 18-300mm.


my daughter just bought a refurb D7100 with a 55-200 Nikon lens for under $700. Adorama. Works like brand new.

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Dec 11, 2015 17:14:23   #
martinfisherphoto Loc: Lake Placid Florida
 
In a situation you've mentioned, early mourning, the full frame wins hands down using higher ISO's. That said, some of my best shots ever, come around 9:00 am while the sun is rising and placing the subject in full sun, the best possible light. In this situation either format would work well, but having the crop sensor will give a bit more reach. I'd rather use a crop sensor camera for more reach, than an extender on a full frame. Something to think about..
tramsey wrote:
I've set up duck blinds and deer stands in strategic places and seem to be having luck with them IF I get to them early enough which is at least a half hour before sunrise.
Thanks for the thought. I remember you posting those shots and was as impressed then as I am now. Thanks

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Dec 11, 2015 17:37:01   #
Lionel1954 Loc: Brampton, Ontario, Canada.
 
tramsey wrote:
Most of my work is wild life. I have a friend in the restaurant business who allows me to display my work for sale. I am satisfied with the whistles and bells on the 7100 but looking for better image quality. I have one lens a Nikkor DX 18-300. If I decide to go to the d750 I will also upgrade the lens to a FX 80-400.
Finally to my question; would the increase in image quality be significant enough to warrant the money spent. B&H has the camera for 1900 and the lens for 2300 for total of 4200. I could probably sell my current outfit for 1500 or so; leaving an expenditure of 2700.
I would appreciate what you have to say.

Thanks in advance.
Most of my work is wild life. I have a friend in ... (show quote)


The D7100 is a superb camera which allows you that extra reach using a crop sensor. Upgrading you optics would be a wiser choice and will cost you less in the long run. As for image quality there would be very little gain and you will also lose the reach going from a crop sensor to a full frame sensor. Presently you have a approx. 24mm x 16mm sensor with 24.1 MP. Now if you crop a FF sensor to that size you'll only have approx. 14.3 MP. So the optics is what will increase the quality of your work. Besides you already know how the D7100 works a new camera brings a new learning curve. Conclusion keep your camera and get better optics. This is just my opinion.

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Dec 11, 2015 17:44:07   #
tramsey Loc: Texas
 
Lionel1954 wrote:
The D7100 is a superb camera which allows you that extra reach using a crop sensor. Upgrading you optics would be a wiser choice and will cost you less in the long run. As for image quality there would be very little gain and you will also lose the reach going from a crop sensor to a full frame sensor. Presently you have a approx. 24mm x 16mm sensor with 24.1 MP. Now if you crop a FF sensor to that size you'll only have approx. 14.3 MP. So the optics is what will increase the quality of your work. Besides you already know how the D7100 works a new camera brings a new learning curve. Conclusion keep your camera and get better optics. This is just my opinion.
The D7100 is a superb camera which allows you that... (show quote)



I think it was MT Shooter who said if you want better pictures get better glass. The camera is just the storage box.

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Dec 11, 2015 17:55:08   #
orrie smith Loc: Kansas
 
you do not really get more "reach" from a cropped sensor, your are just cropping the photo as you are taking your photo. the same effect may be accomplished by cropping during post processing.

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Dec 11, 2015 18:00:42   #
Lionel1954 Loc: Brampton, Ontario, Canada.
 
Agree.

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