So it's not the lens, it's not the camera.. It's the 'phtotographer'??? (Page 4): I read that to mean that you have to be an idiot first and also have an inflated sense of your own...

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So it's not the lens, it's not the camera.. It's the 'phtotographer'???

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Dec 10, 2015 15:10:43 #

selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA

Rongnongno wrote:

... To be an IWAC one needs to pretend and thinks he/she is just as good as a trained as experienced as an expert* in any and every field of photography. ...

I read that to mean that you have to be an idiot first and also have an inflated sense of your own capabilities. Let's see now, how many of us here think they know everything?

I can only point to a couple of individuals. They shall remain nameless but they are prolific writers and they are afraid to back up their ideas by posting or providing links to their "superior" images.

Dec 10, 2015 15:22:35 #

tdekany Loc: Oregon

mickley wrote:

After reading all that, I found it sadly disappointing. Sounds more like grouchy than insightful.

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Dec 10, 2015 15:54:29 #

chaman

Wilsondl3 wrote:

I would be willing to bet that race driver would listen to the poor driving engineer if he had designed something into the car to make take curves better. I had a friend, Robert Edgbert, who was the Dean of the teachers collage at the university of Nebraska and also had headed up the team that put the Head Start program together. He said he had never met anyone who could not teach him something and he tried to take advantage of this with everyone he met.

Listen, yes of course. But when it goes from hearing to imposing your faux expertise and not backing it up with hard evidence, no. About your friend and his philosophy, well it sounds pretty good, ideal, romantic in a way but in the REAL world there are folks around who can't teach anything, are not reliable and are better to just ignore.

Dec 10, 2015 16:03:03 #

INshooter Loc: Indiana

quixdraw wrote:

No disagreement on many points.

Just one question, who sits in judgment and awards the accolade of the "P" and the condemnation of the "IWAC"?

Post processing essential? An individual choice.

Until there is a Caliph of Cameras, photographers will be able to satisfy themselves with their interpretation of their art & craft.

My opinions and response.

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Dec 10, 2015 17:01:19 #

Weddingguy Loc: British Columbia - Canada

When I first joined the Ugh, I found some of the "stupid" questions and answers a bit frustrating. There are many, obviously amateur, photographers that love to give their advice. There are others who would like to imagine themselves as pro, either because of the equipment they own, because someone told them their pictures were great, or maybe because the shot some pictures for friends and got paid for doing so. Some of the amateurs in this forum can outperform a lot of so called pros in my opinion.

Then I got the big picture . . . this is not a forum of pro photographers in competition for business or kudos, but a group of photography hobbyists that are extremely enthusiastic. Most are just looking for someone to tell them what a great job they have done . . . others love helping fellow hobbyists . . and still others enjoy making their forum buddies feel good by complimenting them on every image they post.
All of these "Ughs" are receiving what they are looking for on this forum.

Hooray for them . . . they are all correct in their efforts!!!!

Do I agree with all of their opinions? No! Do I try to correct them on everything that I disagree with? No! When I see an obvious bad image do I jump in and tell them what they have done wrong? No!

If they they are seeking critique or direction, especially in a field in which I have a lot of experience, I enthusiastically try to help by sharing my decades of experience and expertise.

Not only have I shared lots on this forum, but I've learned a lot from those that specialize in fields that I do not.

Amateurs . . . keep up the good work . . . if it makes you feel good, pretend you're a pro . . . tell others that their bad image is good because (whatever) . . . most important, keep on enjoying this great forum, and this wonderful hobby in which you can never learn everything! That's why I am still loving it for over 66 years! I personally think this is a forum for hobbyists that allow a few pros in for occasional advice.

That's just my humble opinion . . . and I'm stickin' to it!!

Dec 10, 2015 17:04:58 #

NIKONUT Loc: San Diego

Wilsondl3 wrote:

There is nothing written in stone that defines An ... (show quote)

The photographer "Weebee" is actually ARTHUR FELLIG (Weegee).

Dec 10, 2015 17:26:16 #

Wilsondl3

NIKONUT wrote:

The photographer "Weebee" is actually ARTHUR FELLIG (Weegee).

Thanks again for pointing out my typo. Calling "the Great Weegee" Weebee was super dumb when I told folks to look him up. My face is RED. - Dave

Dec 10, 2015 17:36:49 #

CatMarley Loc: North Carolina

John_F wrote:

Does your dog breed has its own FB page/group where you can show off your masterpieces. I don't think I have ever seen a 'bad' dog picture. They have more personality than that.

No I have a website for my breed, but most of my photos are for my friends, family and fellow breeders and fanciers to enjoy. My point is that most amateurs, even those that really know how to exploit their equipment and subject matter are not "Professionals" in any sense of the word. We do it for personal enjoyment - Amore!

Dec 10, 2015 19:03:30 #

Robin19966

I now realize everybody cannot be a great photographer like me. Keep trying maybe one day everbody else will be as good as me.

Dec 10, 2015 19:25:56 #

chaman

CatMarley wrote:

What is your website?

Dec 10, 2015 19:28:56 #

Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida

Robin19966 wrote:

I now realize everybody cannot be a great photographer like me. Keep trying maybe one day everbody else will be as good as me.

Many of us came to the same realization about ourselves before reading this thread.

Dec 10, 2015 20:33:17 #

Harvey Loc: Pioneer, CA

After reading this post and many of the reply s I felt I needed to put in my 2 cents worth.
First off there is that large group of photographers/picture takers who fit in the class of "*P B+" aka new to photography/novices/apprentices who are working on that very long learning curve to produce quality photos 75% of the time - a goal I hardy have reached after 20+ yrs of working towards that goal.

Yes - I have had lens that many would consider "Coke Bottle Glass" along with an aged SLR and still manged to win awards on competition night. I've worked up through many cameras - SLR, bridge & now 3 Canon Rebels - Xt, Xti, T3i and a few older non IS lens - yes as most of you know an IS lens is a photo saver many times over - so again it "CAN BE" the lens.

In my humble opinion it is the tools as well as the knowledge of how to use them that make a "*Photographer" just like a carpenter building a home or a mechanic repairing.

Harvey

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Rongnongno wrote:

Not so fast here

First off a photographer is not a push button critter. It is a trained individual that knows his field, his subject and his equipment. That individual can use any camera and get good results but that same trained individual given a choice will select the best tool for the job.

A naturalist or wild life photographer will need to be aware of his surroundings, know his prey and basically become the prey in order to get THE picture. If an individual does not have the intimate knowledge needed to capture the image mentioned, forget it. Any amount of equipment will be wasted. By the same token if the equipment is ridiculous (like using a wide angle to take a close up of a tit on a branch 50 feet away) there is no point even with a FF mega pixel camera.

A wedding photographer needs to know his equipment first in order to react to the chaos surrounding such an event. He also needs some people skill and understanding to catch the fugitive expressions in folks face as this is a highly emotional event for a few guests. Attention to details, quick reflexes and control is paramount. Here again the equipment is key and knowing how to use it efficiently a must.

A portrait photographer is a dying beast. Not only does he need to know what he is doing and his subject he also must be able to transcend the person onion like personality in order to reveal the 'true person' in front of his camera.

(Any)scape photographer worth his salt knows that a tripod is a must and use filters more than any other photographer. He also has to be patient to wait for the 'ultimate light'.

All this to say that Photographers* are highly trained individuals who have learned technical and other intangible talents enhancement (awkward phrasing here) in order to produce Photographs*, not mere snap-shots. These same individuals are well aware that post processing is a must in order to create the best output from the best possible Photograph that reflect their vision and talent.

These Photographers are few and far between.

IWACs** are not photographers, just pale pretenders who want to believe 'it is the guy with the camera' because THEY are behind it.

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* Capital 'P' to denote the professionalism and quality
** Idiot With A Camera

Not so fast here br br First off a photographer i... (show quote)

Dec 10, 2015 20:47:24 #

pecohen Loc: Central Maine

Harvey wrote:

In my humble opinion it is the tools as well as the knowledge of how to use them that make a "*Photographer" just like a carpenter building a home or a mechanic repairing.

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Dec 10, 2015 21:02:01 #