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Nov 15, 2015 10:56:32   #
CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!
 
Rongnongno wrote:
Your question shows that you have very little clue as to what it means to 'get it right in camera'.

To answer it: No.

Reasons:
A camera will not compose for you for starter. It will no select the right point of view which is different from composition. It will not adjust for extreme light condition (Thinking of NDF). The list is so long here I can write a book.

Getting it right in camera is not only about correct exposure but every aspect of capturing a scene from lighting sources to... Also a a book.

As to post processing in camera it is a joke considering the limited power of a camera vs any computer.

Getting it right in camera is about doing everything that camera cannot do and more such as planning for the final product purpose and media... and doing that correctly. A vague idea poorly executed results in digital vomit.

Show me a camera capable of thinking like a human. When this happens I quit photography.
Your question shows that you have very little clue... (show quote)


^^^^^ Ron... people seem to IGNORE these points when the topic of "getting it right in camera" comes up.

They ASSUME that getting it right in camera means you don't have to post process.

Then there are those who are excellent with software manipulation of images who suck at capturing them in the first place, either because they lack the K.S.A. (Knowledge, Skill, Ability) and/or equipment to do so. THOSE folk also tend to poo-poo people who try to get it right in camera.

They take extreme... overblown positions, and OVER REACT whenever this discussion is brought up.

Me; I try to compensate for ALL the factors you listed above and many more BEFORE I depress the shutter button. Then if necessary, I POLISH the image with LR and PS on my computer.

But to me, it is EXTREMELY important to capture what MY mind... imagination... and potential client wants DURING THE SHOOT. That way when I am sitting I front of the computer there is much less if any work that needs to be done.

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Nov 15, 2015 10:57:04   #
Steve Perry Loc: Sylvania, Ohio
 
Getting it right in camera and post processing are not mutually exclusive. My goal is to use the camera in the field to gather the best information possible about a scene.

I want a composition I don't need to crop later on for starters. And I want to capture the entire range of exposure when possible (sometimes with bracketing and later blending in PS). I also "gather" information in the form of focus when needed by focus bracketing a scene and again, later stacking those images together in PS.

Heck, I even bracket for motion when I'm at a scene, sometimes cranking up my shutter speed & ISO to (for example) stop the motion of leaves blowing in the wind. I'll later bend that image - after some NR - with the the lower ISO image of the rest of the scene.

The camera, IMO, is simply a way to gather the information available in a scene that you can later use to create a final image that expresses what you saw as a photographer when you were there. Basically, I use the camera and post processing to shoot beyond the capabilities of what the camera alone can do.

And of course, it all depends on the scene. The techniques above are more for static subjects :) (Although I have actually successfully focus bracketed for wildlife a time or two)

So, I think getting it right in the camera is simply the first step.

Besides, think of it this way - even if you're shooting straight jpegs, there's still no guarantee that they are faithfully capturing what's in front of you. You can dramatically change what's the image looks like by altering white balance or exposure. Oh, and no matter what your images are still getting post processed, only with straight jpegs it's done via algorithms designed by an engineer somewhere on the other side of the world who has no idea what you're shooting at the moment.

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Nov 15, 2015 11:01:20   #
wilsondl2 Loc: Lincoln, Nebraska
 
r all post-processed??


I see no particular badge of honor of "getting it right in camera" other than exposure, as has been addressed. However, I also am more than willing to view a sooc shot. If the subject or composition moves and inspires me, then kudos to the photographer.

It's your image; do what you want to it![/quote]

The "getting it right in the camera' medal goes to the left of the "I only shoot in manual" medal. The real proof is great pictures no matter how you get them. - Dave

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Nov 15, 2015 11:07:06   #
Treepusher Loc: Kingston, Massachusetts
 
Some folks like their toast plain from the toaster. I prefer mine with a little butter and jam. I think it tastes better that way.

But to each their own.

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Nov 15, 2015 11:11:20   #
Rich1939 Loc: Pike County Penna.
 
Just asking; :)
Can I distill all of the foregoing down to, if I ‘see’ a photo and make all the camera adjustments I think are required to capture what I need and do that successfully, then have I got it “right in camera”, even though I had planned to use that file to drastically alter reality in post processing?

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Nov 15, 2015 11:14:46   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
to the groommer spalleeng eegle
Get a life.

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Nov 15, 2015 11:15:08   #
CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!
 
Steve Perry wrote:
Getting it right in camera and post processing are not mutually exclusive. My goal is to use the camera in the field to gather the best information possible about a scene.

I want a composition I don't need to crop later on for starters. And I want to capture the entire range of exposure when possible (sometimes with bracketing and later blending in PS). I also "gather" information in the form of focus when needed by focus bracketing a scene and again, later stacking those images together in PS.

Heck, I even bracket for motion when I'm at a scene, sometimes cranking up my shutter speed & ISO to (for example) stop the motion of leaves blowing in the wind. I'll later bend that image - after some NR - with the the lower ISO image of the rest of the scene.

The camera, IMO, is simply a way to gather the information available in a scene that you can later use to create a final image that expresses what you saw as a photographer when you were there. Basically, I use the camera and post processing to shoot beyond the capabilities of what the camera alone can do.

And of course, it all depends on the scene. The techniques above are more for static subjects :) (Although I have actually successfully focus bracketed for wildlife a time or two)

So, I think getting it right in the camera is simply the first step.

Besides, think of it this way - even if you're shooting straight jpegs, there's still no guarantee that they are faithfully capturing what's in front of you. You can dramatically change what's the image looks like by altering white balance or exposure. Oh, and no matter what your images are still getting post processed, only with straight jpegs it's done via algorithms designed by an engineer somewhere on the other side of the world who has no idea what you're shooting at the moment.
Getting it right in camera and post processing are... (show quote)


BINGO!!! :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Nov 15, 2015 11:17:22   #
CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!
 
Rich1939 wrote:
Just asking; :)
Can I distill all of the foregoing down to, if I ‘see’ a photo and make all the camera adjustments I think are required to capture what I need and do that successfully, then have I got it “right in camera”, even though I had planned to use that file to drastically alter reality in post processing?


Absolutely.

As Steve Perry said, the two concepts ARE NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE. ;)

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Nov 15, 2015 11:29:13   #
Steve Perry Loc: Sylvania, Ohio
 
Rich1939 wrote:
Just asking; :)
Can I distill all of the foregoing down to, if I ‘see’ a photo and make all the camera adjustments I think are required to capture what I need and do that successfully, then have I got it “right in camera”, even though I had planned to use that file to drastically alter reality in post processing?


In a lot of cases, the camera isn't capturing reality anyway. I know in my own case, I use the camera and post processing to more accurately represent what I saw in reality, not to alter or make something that wasn't there.

For example, I may bracket my shots to keep my highlights under control. Maybe the "normal" shot from the scene was good except for a few blown out highlights in the clouds. In reality, our eyes don't see pure white blown out highlights, so shooting / post processing so they aren't there actually makes the photo more realistic than what the camera captured (or was capable of capturing) on its own.

Of course, if you get it right in camera and it looks the way you want, it's then you own choice if you choose to alter reality. Not right or wrong, just an artistic interpretation.

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Nov 15, 2015 11:37:16   #
Mark7829 Loc: Calfornia
 
Bram boy wrote:
Even talking about this horse manurer is a wast of time . Do what you
want to do , paint it black pant it white any thing . But it's a none subject
So stop bringing it up . It's so passay . and out of touch it makes me want to vomit .


Go vomit....This site is mainly for beginners with some advanced photographers to help. There will always be beginners, they will ask the same question and there will be always some one who will answer it. It is what it is. You're not going to stop it. You just have to be selective in what you read and in what you respond or not. So go vomit....

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Nov 15, 2015 11:53:06   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Dagrizz wrote:
There have been several threads on this topic.

The first camp does not or does minimal post processing after the shot. They just feel that they need to get it right in the camera.

The other camp is do a good job of getting the picture but rely on post processing to complete and finish the picture.

Well I just upgraded to the Olympus OMD E-M1 and notice that it has the capability to do editing right in the camera itself. I am sure that the other brands also have similar capabilities as well.

Doesn't that kind of make the point about getting it right in the camera not relevant any more?
There have been several threads on this topic. br ... (show quote)


I would suggest that what is right for one person may not be right for another. Here's an example of my "Right in the Camera".

More to follow later.
--Bob


(Download)

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Nov 15, 2015 12:30:18   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
rmalarz wrote:
I would suggest that what is right for one person may not be right for another. Here's an example of my "Right in the Camera".

More to follow later.
--Bob

YIKES!!!

Can I play with it? (ref color thread)

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Nov 15, 2015 12:38:28   #
Tiger1123 Loc: Hawaii
 
On this subject let us all not forget, that, there are as many different types of photographers as there are purposes of a photo. Some needs are just for websites and or newasletters that are sufficiently shot and processed in Jpeg never needing a extra large Raw file. It's all a matter of time to spend and end satisfaction. To it's his own. My 2 cents.

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Nov 15, 2015 12:54:14   #
CraigFair Loc: Santa Maria, CA.
 
Dagrizz wrote:
There have been several threads on this topic.

The first camp does not or does minimal post processing after the shot. They just feel that they need to get it right in the camera.

The other camp is do a good job of getting the picture but rely on post processing to complete and finish the picture.

Well I just upgraded to the Olympus OMD E-M1 and notice that it has the capability to do editing right in the camera itself. I am sure that the other brands also have similar capabilities as well.

Doesn't that kind of make the point about getting it right in the camera not relevant any more?
There have been several threads on this topic. br ... (show quote)


Absolutely not. Get as much right in the Camera as you can and then do some Post on the Computer.
Other wise you might as well just throw up your hands, shoot in AUTO and hope for the best.

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Nov 15, 2015 12:55:34   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Rongnongno wrote:
YIKES!!!

Can I play with it? (ref color thread)


Sure, Ron.... Go for it.
--Bob

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