kb6kgx wrote:
Yes, I know. Here we go again! :)
Which is a better way to go? Nikon D7100 refurbished for $579, at Camera, or a used D300 (not S) for at Adorama for $289 (rating E-)?
The D300 is built like a tank, better on the shutter burst and is half the cost of the D7100. However, the D7100 has twice the MPs and more features (most of which Ill never use, anyway.
Both are 51-point AF.
My gut is to go for the D300 and use the extra money for better glass. But the D7100 has the EXPEED 3 sensor, compared with the EXPEED for the D300. I dont care that the D300 does not have video, as Im more interested in still photography.
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I would skip the D300. The D7100 has many more advanced features. It's a much finer camera. Better glass will work EVEN BETTER on the 7100 than the 300...
Apaflo wrote:
Exactly what will you be using it for?
An example would be that the D7100 resolution, at 128 lp/mm, is better than even the D810, and the high ISO ability is as good as an APC-S sensor gets (significantly better than a D300). If you want detail on bird feathers in dim light from lenses that can be hand held, grab that D7100 now!
If you are using it for studio product photography to post on eBay, why pay more than the cost of a D300?
Where did you get this information????
This is not difficult to resolve. If the D300, a very capable camera, has the features that you need for your photography you are saving a lot of money.
I never experienced any limitations with my D300. I upgraded to the D7000 because it had some features I knew would help me to improve my shots. If the D300 can do what you need save your money for good glass.
cjc2
Loc: Hellertown PA
My advice is to buy both what you want and what you can afford. If you have limited or no glass, the cheaper camera may be best. If you have a budget in mind, get you purchases within that number. That being said, each new camera release contains something that the previous versions didn't have, so a more current version SHOULD be better for you. If there are features you will never need/want, ignore them and get the camera that fits YOUR needs/wants. The answer to this question, regardless of brand, is very personal. Only you know what you will be happy with and there are many excellent cameras to be had, some at great used prices! Best of luck to you.
kb6kgx wrote:
Yes, I know. Here we go again! :)
Which is a better way to go? Nikon D7100 refurbished for $579, at Camera, or a used D300 (not S) for at Adorama for $289 (rating E-)?
The D300 is built like a tank, better on the shutter burst and is half the cost of the D7100. However, the D7100 has twice the MPs and more features (most of which Ill never use, anyway.
Both are 51-point AF.
My gut is to go for the D300 and use the extra money for better glass. But the D7100 has the EXPEED 3 sensor, compared with the EXPEED for the D300. I dont care that the D300 does not have video, as Im more interested in still photography.
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Refurb D5300. Less than the D7100 but same images and, IMHO, better features: lighter weight, easier to operate because of INFO screen approach, and extremely useful articulated screen. And less money.
It also has a couple of features I don't use: WIFI and GPS.
My wife and I each have one. I find I grab it in preference to my D800 about 2/3 of the time.
EdR
Loc: Gig Harbor, WA
The fire and elms crews in our area do a lot of night calls. That might also be a consideration.
Mark7829 wrote:
Apaflo wrote:
An example would be that the D7100 resolution, at 128 lp/mm, is better than even the D810, and the high ISO ability is as good as an APC-S sensor gets (significantly better than a D300). If you want detail on bird feathers in dim light from lenses that can be hand held, grab that D7100 now!
Where did you get this information????
It is essentially the pixel density of each sensor. It is calculated from the manufacturer's specifications for physical size and pixel dimensions. The D810 sensor is listed as 35.9mm wide with 7380 pixels. 7380 / 35.9 / 2 = 102.78 line pairs per mm. The D7100 is 23.5mm wide with 6036 pixels across. 6036 / 23.5 / 2 = 128.43 line pairs per mm.
The catch to understanding the significance of that number is in the statement about detail on bird feathers within a range of certain types of lenses. If the image projected onto the sensors is exactly the same, the D7100 has more resolution ("more pixels on the subject" ). That would happen if the focal length of the D810 lens is 1.5x the focal length of the D7100 lens. If the D810 focal length is increased by 128/103 the image resolution will then be identical. Of course if the one longest lens available is used on both cameras, the D810 image will have less resolution. Either the sensor or the focal length can change the image resolution and the D7100 only has higher resolution when a longer focal length cannot be used (the resolution is focal length limited) on the D810.
Data for ISO comparisons between a D300 and a D7100 are available from a number of sources, but I prefer Bill Claff's charts.
http://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Nikon%20D300,Nikon%20D7100
kb6kgx wrote:
Would be using for general photography including travel, local emergency (fire/ems), mostly outdoors in normal daylight. Not really interested in video would might be nice to have the capability just in case (so that would knock the D300 out just for that reason).
Im not against old cameras (having used a Nikon F back which, by the time my dad passed it over to me, was already old), but theres quite a jump from EXPEED to EXPEED 3. Megapixel count isnt that important as the largest I can imagine printing to would be 11x14 (of which Ive printed a grand total of 3 from back in my film days). Again, nice to have the capability if needed.
My gut tells me that the D300 is all I need, but common sense tells me that the best overall would be the D7100.
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Your common sense is telling you the right thing.
I could give you a lot of reasons but the fact is the D7100 is a much better Camera.
Craig
kb6kgx wrote:
Yes, I know. Here we go again! :)
Which is a better way to go? Nikon D7100 refurbished for $579, at Camera, or a used D300 (not S) for at Adorama for $289 (rating E-)?
The D300 is built like a tank, better on the shutter burst and is half the cost of the D7100. However, the D7100 has twice the MPs and more features (most of which Ill never use, anyway.
Both are 51-point AF.
My gut is to go for the D300 and use the extra money for better glass. But the D7100 has the EXPEED 3 sensor, compared with the EXPEED for the D300. I dont care that the D300 does not have video, as Im more interested in still photography.
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The D7100 has two sdcard slots. The D300 has the Compac Card. That's a deal breaker. I regularly read about bent pins and other problems with CC. The dual slots recently saved my tush. I use the second slot as a backup, writing to both cards. One of my SDCards failed when I tried to read the files, the computer couldn't see any files. It immediately took the files from the second card. Using the second slot as a backup and it came through.
Beyond that there are several technological improvements.
jerryc41 wrote:
I wouldn't even consider the D300. It was introduced in 2008, vs 2013 for the D7100. The E- rating isn't great. "Built like a tank" doesn't mean much where electronics are concerned. Drop either camera, and it's a paperweight.
I would have to agree with you, especially that last comment. Even if I dropped my old Nikon F, I might have to take even THAT to the shop afterward. And, as anyone who remembers that model, it literally WAS built like a tank. Not todays cameras, though.
In my original post, I typed Camera, I meant Cameta, but autocorrect fixed it. And the site wont let me edit it now.
MtnMan wrote:
Refurb D5300. Less than the D7100 but same images and, IMHO, better features: lighter weight, easier to operate because of INFO screen approach, and extremely useful articulated screen. And less money.
It also has a couple of features I don't use: WIFI and GPS.
Having played with these in the store, I find that the D3xxx and the D5xxx series are just a tad too small for my hands. They just dont feel right. Partially because my 5th finger, pinky, is swinging in the breeze with nothing to do. The D7xxx (as well as the full-frames), are slightly larger, and all fingers hug the grip as they should. Just feels more secure.
Not interested in smaller and lighter. I come from the Nikon F, which was Nikons way of wearing a brick around your neck.
I also dont care about the articulating screen. For my purposes, itll be an unused feature. I also see it as something that could potentially break.
A touch-screen feature, such as on some Canons, could be very useful, but even not having that would not be a deal-breaker.
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