mirrorless? (Page 5): Thanks for clarifying. What you say makes sense to me. I was a little put off by your comment about point and shoots in an earlier post, and I still think it was...

JD750 Loc: SoCal

jimmya wrote:

You can view through the view finder not the scree... (show quote)

Thanks for clarifying. What you say makes sense to me.

I was a little put off by your comment about point and shoots in an earlier post, and I still think it was inappropriate.

However I think we agree on a lot of things, the only difference is I have a DSLR and a mirrorless system and I use them both.

I like the DSLR for the optical quality and the M43 for it's light weight and small size and ease of carrying.

When I look through my collection of images, a large number of them in the keeper albums are from my M43 camera because it's so much easier to carry and travel with.

JD750 Loc: SoCal

Soul Dr. wrote:

I don't understand the bickering here about Mirroless vs DSLR cameras. If you prefer one over the other, fine. But don't disparage the ones you are not using.
I have four DSLRs and three Mirrorless cameras and enjoy using all of them.
I like getting the best images I can out of all of them. To me that is what makes photography fun and interesting.

will

Well stated. :thumbup:

davyboy Loc: Anoka Mn.

DLSR's are also point and shoot! Just pick it up point and bingo

rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona

davyboy wrote:

DLSR's are also point and shoot! Just pick it up point and bingo

I've put a 35mm lens on my DSLR, set the f-stop to f/11, adjusted the lens to hyperfocal setting for that f-stop, and shutter speed to 1/250, ISO 400 and viola point and shoot. No focusing, no fiddling, just take pictures.
--Bob

JD750 Loc: SoCal

bkellyusa wrote:

I'd be very interested to hear makes you makes you decide to use one type over the other when you plan to go out shooting and possibly which type you use the most and for what type of photography?

I also have a FF, Crop and M43 (Mirrorless) systems. I will share my thoughts. My M43 is first generation so perhaps if I upgraded I this would read very differently. I prefer the color from my Nikons over that of the Panasonic M43 camera. They just seem more accurate and.. hard to put into words, but I like the color better SOOC on the Nikons. So I use the FF for portraits, and action shots, when I want high IQ and color accuracy. The M43 is my go-to travel kit, and or when I'm in a crowd and want to be less obvious. It's good for tele shots and Macro, for things that don't move or move slowly. It's more work in post to fix the color but not that much more. I just shoot RAW and tweak the WB. Mostly these days the crop sensor is a backup in case the FF body breaks down. But I use it occasionally with a telephoto lens or when I don't want to carry the big heavy FF camera and lens.

I love the size of the M43 but no doubt the IQ of the FF is superior, but the FF lenses cost a lot more, too so it better be. And were talking shades of difference here not day and night. I doubt the average viewer could tell me which finished JPEG image was shot with which camera. I can't tell myself sometimes until I look at the metadata. I do have a first generation M43 body and they have improved greatly since then.

One other thing, that is important to me, is the Nikon's seem more like cameras to me, it is easier for me to twist knobs and get a quick shot. People tell me "that camera likes you". The M43 is more computer-like to me and many features are buried deep in menus, it's harder to get the shot I want. Again not night and day but subtle differences. But that's just my impression, YMMV.

I get shots I like with both cameras and if I could only have one system it would probably have to be the M43 because of cost and size advantages, but at least for now, I can have both so I do.

JD750 Loc: SoCal

davyboy wrote:

DLSR's are also point and shoot! Just pick it up point and bingo

And many people do exactly that.

JimH123 Loc: Morgan Hill, CA

sirlensalot wrote:

As one example - using the Sony a6000, you have choice of using either the rear screen or the viewfinder. The shutter speed (lag) is faster than most DSLR's. The number of AF points is greater than most DSLR's. The AF tracking is faster than most DSLR's. Whats less? Size is smaller than most DSLR's.

I have the A6000 also, and from a human perspective, I can't sense any lag when I hit the shutter which means that it is less than a human can perceive time.

Same with the LCD. If I pan back and forth and watch the LCD, if there was perceivable lag, I would still see it moving right, while camera was moving left. You just don't see this at all.

JD750 Loc: SoCal

JimH123 wrote:

I have the A6000 also, and from a human perspective, I can't sense any lag when I hit the shutter which means that it is less than a human can perceive time.

Same with the LCD. If I pan back and forth and watch the LCD, if there was perceivable lag, I would still see it moving right, while camera was moving left. You just don't see this at all.

The EVFs have improved markedly. On my first generation M43 there is a quite noticeable lag in the EVF display when panning.
Shutter lag is not an issue.

bkellyusa Loc: Nashville, TN

I agree that there is absolutely no noticeable lag of any sort with my A6000. When I first read that complaint I thought maybe I missed something so I checked it out today. Lag is not an issue.

The two complaint that I tend to agree with with my camera is that cause it is so small the layout of the buttons and knobs is less convenient than on a larger camera and the use of menus slows you down a bit as well but with all of the cameras advantages that nitpicking I think. You could make the same complaint about cellphones but I don't see anyone wanting to go back to dial-up phones.

Kbytes

Hello; I just joined Hedgehog. I thought you might enjoy this article from DPS if you are interested in Mirrorless cameras. The fellow almost convinced me to change up. But I think I will give it some time to improve. I am a loyal Canon user and I want to see what contributions are made by Canon and Nikon before I switch. I am suspicious that mirrorless will be the new standard of the future, so I am keeping an eye on it. Here is the link;
http://digital-photography-school.com/5-lessons-learned-switching-from-dslr-to-mirrorless-for-travel-photography/

Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI

Kbytes wrote:

The fellow almost convinced me to change up. But I think I will give it some time to improve.

99% of the time, it's not the camera that needs improving...it's the thing 6" behind the camera that takes the picture that needs improving.

sirlensalot Loc: Arizona

Kbytes wrote:

Hello; I just joined Hedgehog. I thought you mig... (show quote)

The future has arrived my friend. I use both Canon and Sony. Both have made me a better photographer through use and experience. Sony was just a lighter to carry around.

wotsmith Loc: Nashville TN

bcrawf wrote:

I'm curious as to the usefulness of the new mirrorless cameras coming onto the market. As far as I have seen (in advert images), the user can determine what is being photographed only by viewing the rear screen.

My wife bitched about the heavy weight of her Canon 5Dmk 3 around her neck so I bought her a Fugi (best model) mirrorless with a set of lenses. It takes great photos. BUT, she quit using it and went back to the Canon as the focus is very slow compared to the dslr; there is quite a lag between shutter button depression and the photo. I got her a Black Rapid strap that puts the weight on her shoulder not her neck, so she is happy. So I have a near new Fugi and lenses to trade in on a Canon 5DSR I guess.

Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI

wotsmith wrote:

My wife bitched about the heavy weight of her Canon 5Dmk 3 around her neck so I bought her a Fugi (best model) mirrorless with a set of lenses. It takes great photos. BUT, she quit using it and went back to the Canon as the focus is very slow compared to the dslr.

I've heard that about Fuji's AF...just a bit laggy, but confident. It's been so long since I've handled an XT-1, but at the time I do remember it being one thing that deterred me from it. Granted that was with the original Firmware, and I'm sure they've updated it since. Speaking of which are you running the latest firmware on yours? It may make a HUGE difference.

wotsmith Loc: Nashville TN

Cdouthitt wrote:

I've heard that about Fuji's AF...just a bit laggy, but confident. It's been so long since I've handled an XT-1, but at the time I do remember it being one thing that deterred me from it. Granted that was with the original Firmware, and I'm sure they've updated it since. Speaking of which are you running the latest firmware on yours? It may make a HUGE difference.

I have not checked the firmware version. But I am a dedicated Canon shooter with my 1DX and Have a nice set of lenses for it. I do want a 5DSR after renting one for a couple of weeks, so the Fugi gear will be my trade in and down payment! Nothing wrong witht the Fugi and I have shot great photos, but my interest is mostly wildlife and travel, so I'll stick with what I am used to. Carrying heavier stuff is OK with me; inspite of being old and fat.