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Sep 6, 2015 11:44:26   #
Golan Loc: Imsbach, Germany
 
jcboy3 wrote:
You must be thinking of a variable neutral density filter; that has two polarizing filters which rotate against each other.

A CPL is a single piece that rotates.

To check whether your CPL is really a CPL, look at your computer screen through the filter (with the filter oriented with the threads facing you). As you rotate the filter, the screen should go black. If it just darkens a little, turn the filter around.

What could be wrong?

If you had to flip the filter to get the screen to go dark, then the filter is reversed in the holder and is defective. I've never tried taking one apart; not obvious how to do it. Take it back.

If the screen intensity doesn't change as you rotate the filter, then the filter is just a neutral density filter and you have a counterfeit. Take it back.
You must be thinking of a variable neutral density... (show quote)


It worked! I rotated the CPL and my laptop screen went totally black. How do I get it back so I can read it again???

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Sep 6, 2015 11:57:11   #
jcboy3
 
Armadillo wrote:
jcboy3,

A very interesting discussion on testing a CPL filter, and most of what you wrote works.

A CPL is a single piece that rotates.
Exception to the rule.
A Polar filter that attaches directly to the objective element of a lens assembly needs one ring to thread onto the objective lens housing. It needs a second ring to contain the polar element of the filter to rotate around the central axis of the objective lens. Often these are two similar looking glass elements, but only one has the polar filter.

To check whether your CPL is really a CPL, look at your computer screen through the filter (with the filter oriented with the threads facing you).
Agree, in part, and question another.
When placing the CP filter in front of a digital monitor, with the end that should point toward the subject turned to face the viewer, the screen will turn black as the filter is rotated 180 degrees. But, when the filter is reversed, so the end that is supposed to face the subject is now facing the monitor, the same effect occurs when turning the filter 180 degrees.
Question: Any idea why the filter reacts the same way when facing the viewer, or facing the subject?

Just for general information, my CPL filter is a Cokin that rests in a rectangular holder, fitted onto the objective lens element with an adapter ring. The entire CP filter rotates within the frame and is a single glass piece.

Michael G
jcboy3, br br A very interesting discussion on te... (show quote)


I was speaking of the glass element; obviously there are two rings, one to attach to the lens and one that holds the glass element and rotates.

I cannot recall ever seeing a CPL with two glass elements. I'll take everyone's word that there is, but don't know what the second glass element would be doing. I thought that the linear polarizer and 1/4 wave retarder had to be aligned. If not, then maybe each of these is a single glass element.

If the CPL blacks the screen both when facing towards and away from the screen, then maybe there is another wave retarder in the mix? Or the filter is not a CPL. A Linear Polarizing filter will block both ways.

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Sep 6, 2015 11:58:50   #
brittainsas1 Loc: Laytonsville, Md.
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Are you baiting us or just fishing for a compliment? Casting about for a compliment? Maybe you're trying to lure us away from the main topic at hand. Trying to get chummy? At least you don't seem to be trolling, but no one here is taking the bait.


Oh my cod, Jerry took the bait....and floundered with it. :-) Nope, I wasn't trying to mussel in , or be a pain in the bass on the topic of polarizers and fish, as it was way too deep for me.......... but I shore was tempted. If it's caused anyone any misery, please let minnow.

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Sep 6, 2015 12:32:26   #
Nikonian72 Loc: Chico CA
 
Searcher wrote:
so a Circular Polarizing Lens is actually a Circular Polarizing Lens Filter? (CPL filter)
The article that you cited proves my point: the terms Polarizing Lens, Circular Polarizing Lens, nor CPL are ever used to describe a Circular Polarizing Filter.

Most of the points covered previously are mentioned here:
FAQ: Which Photographic Filters for Digital Photography?
http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-26502-1.html

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Sep 6, 2015 13:06:44   #
Tracy B. Loc: Indiana
 
I tried to stop reading these slimy posts, but I'm hooked.

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Sep 6, 2015 13:31:58   #
brittainsas1 Loc: Laytonsville, Md.
 
Tracy B. wrote:
I tried to stop reading these slimy posts, but I'm hooked.


Oh bouy, You should be docked for that ! What I sea, is a really biting remark here ! So water you really mean by that ? I hake to say it, but it's time that Tracy B. get's put in the punitentiary as well !

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Sep 6, 2015 13:49:15   #
Leitz Loc: Solms
 
Nikonian72 wrote:
The article that you cited proves my point: the terms Polarizing Lens, Circular Polarizing Lens, nor CPL are ever used to describe a Circular Polarizing Filter.

Most of the points covered previously are mentioned here:
FAQ: Which Photographic Filters for Digital Photography?
http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-26502-1.html


Indeed, one must be cautious to use the correct nomenclature. I called my electric torch a flashlight, and now the batteries are all corroded!

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Sep 6, 2015 13:49:45   #
LFingar Loc: Claverack, NY
 
Never paid any attention to the construction of my CPL's. Always assumed they consisted of two pieces of glass, a static and a rotating. After reading some of these comments I checked mine. Hoya HD2 Cir-Pl. Sure enough, they consist of only one piece of glass. I learned something! My day has not been a total waste!

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Sep 6, 2015 13:50:52   #
Bram boy Loc: Vancouver Island B.C. Canada
 
Tracy B. wrote:
I tried to stop reading these slimy posts, but I'm hooked.


The word is Not slimy posts , it's more like drivel

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Sep 6, 2015 13:53:24   #
LFingar Loc: Claverack, NY
 
Leitz wrote:
Indeed, one must be cautious to use the correct nomenclature. I called my electric torch a flashlight, and now the batteries are all corroded!


Now, if you lived on this side of the pond your batteries would we fine. We use flashlights for light and electric torches for cutting steel and other metals! :-D

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Sep 6, 2015 13:54:45   #
josephnl Loc: Irvine,, CA
 
teesquare wrote:
ANY piece of glass - which light passes thru - and has ANYTHING to do with focusing, filtering or altering the light in ANY way...is a lens. Such as a simple magnifier. Or your glasses that you wear.
Are they filters, or lenses...or both?

At least - that is the layman's explanation - and in accord with the normal explanations I have always understood.

So...'splain it to me - would please?


Not quite. Having studied optics, I can tell you that the generally accepted definition of a lens includes the bending of light rays resulting in either convergence or divergence of the rays.

Webster's definition is:
"a piece of transparent substance, usually glass, having two opposite surfaces either both curved or one curved and one plane, used in an optical device in changing the convergence of light rays, as for magnification, or in correcting defects of vision"

Most would not consider a filter to be a lens.

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Sep 6, 2015 13:59:02   #
Leitz Loc: Solms
 
LFingar wrote:
Now, if you lived on this side of the pond your batteries would we fine. We use flashlights for light and electric torches for cutting steel and other metals! :-D


I cannot part with my motor car, and would have to ship it over. I cringe at the thought of someone calling my beloved Hillman an automobile! :lol:

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Sep 6, 2015 14:04:04   #
Ralloh Loc: Ohio
 
LFingar wrote:
Never paid any attention to the construction of my CPL's. Always assumed they consisted of two pieces of glass, a static and a rotating. After reading some of these comments I checked mine. Hoya HD2 Cir-Pl. Sure enough, they consist of only one piece of glass. I learned something! My day has not been a total waste!


I learned something today too. But whether some call it a lens and some call it a filter, some are made with a single piece of glass, others with a double piece, at the end of the day, does it really make one iota of difference?

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Sep 6, 2015 14:09:03   #
Tracy B. Loc: Indiana
 
brittainsas1 wrote:
Oh bouy, You should be docked for that ! What I sea, is a really biting remark here ! So water you really mean by that ? I hake to say it, but it's time that Tracy B. get's put in the punitentiary as well !



:lol:

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Sep 6, 2015 14:22:52   #
Psergel Loc: New Mexico
 
DaveO wrote:
Hmmm, no remarks about Spam......been around since 1937, popular in WW2 and big in Israel. All the veracity of any major brand CPL, two piece style.


Also big in Hawaii.

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