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Sep 5, 2015 17:48:45   #
Bill MN Loc: Western MN
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Their video editing program is excellent. Let us know what you think of PhotoDirector.

Good video. Good price.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OE2aJp0MQGw

So far I like it. A lot like LR but now I don't loose pictures. I think it also has more good features.

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Sep 5, 2015 18:11:00   #
Searcher Loc: Kent, England
 
Dngallagher wrote:
EVERYTHING is better on a Mac

:twisted:


You are obviously not getting the problem enquiries I get regarding the Mac O/S. Trouble is, I know very little about Macs, so in future I think I will refer them to you, if that is OK?

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Sep 5, 2015 18:12:52   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
Searcher wrote:
You are obviously not getting the problem enquiries I get regarding the Mac O/S. Trouble is, I know very little about Macs, so in future I think I will refer them to you, if that is OK?


I always wondered - is that you in your Avatar?

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Sep 5, 2015 18:14:08   #
Searcher Loc: Kent, England
 
tdekany wrote:
I always wondered - is that you in your Avatar?


For better or for worse - yes.

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Sep 5, 2015 18:21:34   #
Bill MN Loc: Western MN
 
Searcher wrote:
For better or for worse - yes.


Now that we know that's you I would like a new Camera for Christmas.

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Sep 5, 2015 18:26:22   #
Searcher Loc: Kent, England
 
Bill MN wrote:
Now that we know that's you I would like a new Camera for Christmas.


Sorry, I am off duty until the night shift on the 24th December.

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Sep 5, 2015 18:28:05   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
Searcher wrote:
For better or for worse - yes.


Nice!

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Sep 5, 2015 19:17:42   #
Collie lover Loc: St. Louis, MO
 
wings42 wrote:
Greetings All,

I'm quitting Lightroom and never going back to it because of how LR uses one catalog to keep track of photos and changes to those photos.

A backup hard drive on my PC died. When I replaced it I made the bad mistake (because of LR cataloging) of putting the drive containing my photos in its location. Windows changed the drive letter designations so all my photos were now on D: drive instead of the previous E: drive. My LR catalog was located in the LR directory on the the new D: drive but thought that itself and all the photos and changes it had cataloged were still on E:.

With the change in drive letters ALL photos became invisible to LR.

Similar LR confusions on a smaller scale had happened to me in the past. Since all additions, deletions, changes to photo file names or relocations MUST BE MADE USING LIGHTROOM TO BE VISIBLE TO LIGHTROOM if anything is done with Windows that doesn't exactly follow LR requirements, imagine the difficulty in recovering files. In other words, your only tool to recover photos and changes is using an application, LR, where those same files are invisible to it. The recovery procedures are difficult with one or two directories but its almost impossible with thousands of files in hundreds of invisible directories and sub-directories.

I exactly (I thought) followed the LR procedures for recovering lost files. The first attempt with the first file didn't work, so I made a small change which I thought was correct and that seemed to work. But very quickly, the ONLY thing my one LR catalog remembered were a few files I successfully recovered, but none of the LR modifications were remembered for thousands of other photos.

I obviously did something wrong, but a photo processing system shouldn't be that fragile and hard to manage with something as critical as cataloging and keeping track of changes to photos.

Besides this catastrophic loss of so much work, LR can be a slow dog of a program. My PC isn't a speed demon but its pretty fast, with 12g of memory and a dedicated graphics card. I've literally waited 20 seconds for two comparison photos to come into focus using LR, a royal pain if a day's shoot had 250 photos!

I'm looking for another photo processing system that's powerful with a good work flow. Right now, Paintshop Pro X8 is top contender. Any suggestions will be very appreciated.
Greetings All, br br I'm quitting Lightroom and n... (show quote)


Try Corel PaintShop Pro X8.

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Sep 5, 2015 19:22:28   #
Dngallagher Loc: Wilmington De.
 
Searcher wrote:
You are obviously not getting the problem enquiries I get regarding the Mac O/S. Trouble is, I know very little about Macs, so in future I think I will refer them to you, if that is OK?


Be glad to help where I can. IF I can ;)

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Sep 5, 2015 19:34:24   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
Try this one if you care much for the management, take a look at ACDsee.

"Why I use ACDSee Not Lightroom"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSKL4HRmuc0

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Sep 5, 2015 19:35:24   #
RDH
 
tomcat wrote:
The OP's problem was indeed due to 2 letters, not LR, but PC. As soon as I read what the PC archeology had done in changing the drive letters, I knew there would be trouble coming. I used to hate, hate, hate the PC's design for automatically assigning drive letters to new drives. However, I don't have that problem now with a Mac. I am sorry that you are having so much problem with LR, but as the other posters have stated, the problem is not LR, it's your stupid PC that caused the problem. I realize that I have not added anything constructive to your post, but just wanted to add my 2 cents worth to the other posters' comments about LR not being the problem here. If your budget can afford it, take a look at the Mac. It's worth every penny of peace and quiet. When you add a new external hard drive to the Mac, you get to name the drive with whatever name you want to call it: 1 or A or Bruce, etc
The OP's problem was indeed due to 2 letters, not ... (show quote)


I would advise sticking to what you know. You can certainly assign drive letters to a PC As I have to the drives on my net work. If you want to pay three times as much for the same hardware that's your privilege, just don't pretend to be an expert on PCs.

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Sep 5, 2015 20:26:27   #
tcmphotog Loc: Maryland
 
BobHartung wrote:
Because people are to lazy and want to be spoon fed. As a result they never learn the programs they are using. It is like a painter never learning how to mix paint.

This is how hard it is to locate missing photos:
https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom/help/locate-missing-photos.html

One Google Search, took maybe 20 second to search and read how. Hard? Not!


:thumbup: :thumbup:

Agree, I'm old and I don't find LR difficult at all.

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Sep 5, 2015 22:29:43   #
bgl Loc: Brooklyn,New York
 
wings42 wrote:
Greetings All,

I'm quitting Lightroom and never going back to it because of how LR uses one catalog to keep track of photos and changes to those photos.

A backup hard drive on my PC died. When I replaced it I made the bad mistake (because of LR cataloging) of putting the drive containing my photos in its location. Windows changed the drive letter designations so all my photos were now on D: drive instead of the previous E: drive. My LR catalog was located in the LR directory on the the new D: drive but thought that itself and all the photos and changes it had cataloged were still on E:.

With the change in drive letters ALL photos became invisible to LR.

Similar LR confusions on a smaller scale had happened to me in the past. Since all additions, deletions, changes to photo file names or relocations MUST BE MADE USING LIGHTROOM TO BE VISIBLE TO LIGHTROOM if anything is done with Windows that doesn't exactly follow LR requirements, imagine the difficulty in recovering files. In other words, your only tool to recover photos and changes is using an application, LR, where those same files are invisible to it. The recovery procedures are difficult with one or two directories but its almost impossible with thousands of files in hundreds of invisible directories and sub-directories.

I exactly (I thought) followed the LR procedures for recovering lost files. The first attempt with the first file didn't work, so I made a small change which I thought was correct and that seemed to work. But very quickly, the ONLY thing my one LR catalog remembered were a few files I successfully recovered, but none of the LR modifications were remembered for thousands of other photos.

I obviously did something wrong, but a photo processing system shouldn't be that fragile and hard to manage with something as critical as cataloging and keeping track of changes to photos.

Besides this catastrophic loss of so much work, LR can be a slow dog of a program. My PC isn't a speed demon but its pretty fast, with 12g of memory and a dedicated graphics card. I've literally waited 20 seconds for two comparison photos to come into focus using LR, a royal pain if a day's shoot had 250 photos!

I'm looking for another photo processing system that's powerful with a good work flow. Right now, Paintshop Pro X8 is top contender. Any suggestions will be very appreciated.
Greetings All, br br I'm quitting Lightroom and n... (show quote)


Perhaps you've already done so - you can download a trial version of Paintshop Pro 8 to see how you like it. I've been using it in its various iterations for years and it keeps on getting better. Personally, I've never used any of the image management schemes because the system I set up for myself has worked so well for me. I simply created sub folders under Windows Pictures such as "photos 1977, photos 1978, photos 1979 and so on. I have also named folders like photos 1978 Disney World. You get the idea I'm sure. As for the individual images, I do the following: 2015.9.5.Mikey_basketball.jpg, 2015.9.5.Prospect_park.jpg, etc. So no matter what photo editing program I use, my photo files are totally independent of them. When I edit images the files are stored in a "processing file" and than moved to the permanent location. There may very well be better systems, but I'm very comfortable with my setup.

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Sep 5, 2015 22:30:38   #
NoSocks Loc: quonochontaug, rhode island
 
tsilva wrote:
So you make a mistake and blame a program.

Typical of this place...


Please explain "typical of this place." Sounds bitter.

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Sep 6, 2015 02:53:12   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
mwsilvers wrote:
"Training videos are a good thing. It means the program is popular. Any good photo cataloging program will have a learning curve and there will be advanced features that will require more time to master. Training videos tutorials, user groups, etc only help make that process easier."

You quoted me with someone else's text that I did not write, nor agree with.


WHAT? What the hell are you smoking? I did not quote you or anybody else. Those were my own words in response to your post:

"He's not alone....using Lightroom scares the " begeebies " out of me. If it was as easy to use and people have smooth sailing with the software as some make it sound why are there a gazillion training videos out there? I can understand training for photoshop, but all that training for a cataloging program!"

And I stand by those words.

The intelligence level on this thread is getting way to low for me. UNWATCHING now.

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