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Jul 12, 2015 04:05:54 #
Jul 12, 2015 10:06:12 #
Pepper wrote:
You are the one who inferred that evolution "threatens" Christians I was simply asking how. The rest of my comment suggests that it might be offensive to some but I don't see how it could be threatening. I personally think that we see evolution/adaptation all the time, I don't deny evolution but I don't believe that new species have developed as a result of the evolution process. What I see is more and more species becoming obsolete and dying off as oppose to new species developing.
You don't deny evolution, but deny that new species have developed? Either you don't understand evolution, or you are ignoring the evidence (or both). The fossil record shows the complete absence of many species early, then their appearance in a later stratum - for example, our favorite species, homo sapiens. Either this species appeared de novo, or it evolved.
Jul 12, 2015 10:41:29 #
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OldDoc wrote:
You don't deny evolution, but deny that new species have developed? Either you don't understand evolution, or you are ignoring the evidence (or both). The fossil record shows the complete absence of many species early, then their appearance in a later stratum - for example, our favorite species, homo sapiens. Either this species appeared de novo, or it evolved.
Often times the word evolution is used when the word adaptation should be. Thing do mutate and evolve making sometimes huge changes within a species but I don't believe one species evolves into another.
Jul 12, 2015 11:02:19 #
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James Shaw wrote:
Pepper are you kidding again? You had better re-"think" the whole thing. The theory of evolution does not "claim" there is no God. It has nothing to do with a God. God is in the realm of superstition, where you live. Evolution is in the realm of science, where reason prevails.
Pepper are you kidding again? You had better re-"think" the whole thing. The theory of evolution does not "claim" there is no God. It has nothing to do with a God. God is in the realm of superstition, where you live. Evolution is in the realm of science, where reason prevails.
Pepper wrote:
You are the one who inferred that evolution "threatens" Christians I was simply asking how. The rest of my comment suggests that it might be offensive to some but I don't see how it could be threatening. I personally think that we see evolution/adaptation all the time, I don't deny evolution but I don't believe that new species have developed as a result of the evolution process. What I see is more and more species becoming obsolete and dying off as oppose to new species developing.
Those who are threatened by evolution include those who view it as a threat to Creationism, which it it not. Some of those like Rac, would have us believe that evolution is a religion, and not science-based, whereas it arose through science not religion. They, like Rac, are threatened.
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Roughly, 99% of all species that have ever existed on earth are now extinct, and for good reason:
http://www.askabiologist.org.uk/answers/viewtopic.php?id=556
Jul 12, 2015 11:12:47 #
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James Shaw wrote:
Finally, it is not reasonable for man to "embrace" something that "threatens" him, so I must say I don't know from where you are coming from or what you mean by that statement?
Finally, it is not reasonable for man to "embrace" something that "threatens" him, so I must say I don't know from where you are coming from or what you mean by that statement?
LarJgrip wrote:
Not reasonable, thats for sure. Look, you may not like it you may not agree but I believe that mankind needs to be in fellowship with his creator. It bears true with those that are and it lines up with what "creator" says. So to deny that there is a God and live a Godless existence is detrimental. IMO
You have a right to believe as you do, of course. I would disagree with your statement, 'that it is detrimental for anyone to question the existence of a-God.' I think it is healthy to question everything. No one knows that a God exists or does not exist, so what is detrimental in the questioning?
Jul 12, 2015 11:17:52 #
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James Shaw wrote:
Pepper are you kidding again? You had better re-"think" the whole thing. The theory of evolution does not "claim" there is no God. It has nothing to do with a God. God is in the realm of superstition, where you live. Evolution is in the realm of science, where reason prevails.
Pepper are you kidding again? You had better re-"think" the whole thing. The theory of evolution does not "claim" there is no God. It has nothing to do with a God. God is in the realm of superstition, where you live. Evolution is in the realm of science, where reason prevails.
LarJgrip wrote:
That's my point
everything has everything to do with God. That's because everything is because of Him.
Your statement is belief, only, and unsubstantiated belief alone does not necessarily make so, as history has demonstrated so many times.
Jul 12, 2015 13:10:32 #
James Shaw wrote:
You have a right to believe as you do, of course. I would disagree with your statement, 'that it is detrimental for anyone to question the existence of a-God.' I think it is healthy to question everything. No one knows that a God exists or does not exist, so what is detrimental in the questioning?
I never said anything about questioning. I believe God expects mankind to question.
LarJgrip wrote:
So to deny that there is a God and live a Godless existence is detrimental. IMO
Jul 12, 2015 13:24:23 #
James Shaw wrote:
Your statement is belief, only, and unsubstantiatedbelief alone does not necessarily make so, as history has demonstrated so many times.
Unsubstantiated??? An emphatic NO!!!
There's plenty of substance from DNA to billions of stars and galaxies and everything in between. Including the work and result that God has done in my "heart" and in my life and in the many people in my life around me and around the world up to and including this very moment. As history has, is and continues to confirm. AMEN
Jul 12, 2015 16:24:24 #
slocumeddie wrote:
I await your explanation.....I don't believe, as I'm sure you are aware.....You do believe.......Do you understand.....???..................
Then please explain to me the actions or approval of actions enumerated in the OT.....slavery, polygamy, genocide..........
God approved of these actions, did he not.....???
Then please explain to me the actions or approval of actions enumerated in the OT.....slavery, polygamy, genocide..........
God approved of these actions, did he not.....???
Well, you believe something, don't you? You don't understand everything you believe.
I don't understand a lot of things in the Old Testament but one day I believe I will and that's Okay with me. However, I do understand that for me God would not approve of those things in my life. And whether God approved or whether He allowed is another matter.
For example I've often wondered why God "hardened Pharos heart" while he was giving him many opportunities to release Israel. Perhaps I'm overlooking something but to my understanding it doesn't seem fair but I believe Gods justice and fairness is perfect. He's not a respecter of man.
Jul 12, 2015 16:58:45 #
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LarJgrip wrote:
So to deny that there is a God and live a Godless existence is detrimental. IMO
So to deny that there is a God and live a Godless existence is detrimental. IMO
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James Shaw wrote:You have a right to believe as you do, of course. I would disagree with your statement, 'that it is detrimental for anyone to question the existence of a-God.' I think it is healthy to question everything. No one knows that a God exists or does not exist, so what is detrimental in the questioning?
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LarJ wrote:I never said anything about questioning. I believe God expects mankind to question.
Well, I would hope so, but even for man to question God's own existence? Would God be happy with that?
Jul 12, 2015 17:07:00 #
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James Shaw wrote:
Your statement is belief, only, and unsubstantiatedbelief alone does not necessarily make so, as history has demonstrated so many times.
Your statement is belief, only, and unsubstantiatedbelief alone does not necessarily make so, as history has demonstrated so many times.
LarJgrip wrote:
Unsubstantiated??? An emphatic NO!!!
There's plenty of substance from DNA to billions of stars and galaxies and everything in between. Including the work and result that God has done in my "heart" and in my life and in the many people in my life around me and around the world up to and including this very moment. As history has, is and continues to confirm. AMEN
There's plenty of substance from DNA to billions of stars and galaxies and everything in between. Including the work and result that God has done in my "heart" and in my life and in the many people in my life around me and around the world up to and including this very moment. As history has, is and continues to confirm. AMEN
Well, I do not want to belabor this, but what you state remains belief, your belief. 'History does not confirm there is a-God.'
Just because there is DNA and a universe and you and me, does not confirm that there is a God and that a God did it all, rationally speaking. Man discovered DNA, and its structure, and the sequence of its 3 billion nucleotide bases, not a God. That is rational, but one can claim that it was God that allowed man to discover it all. That is irrational thinking, and while it may be true, there is no way of rationally knowing that it is true.
Supernaturally speaking, one can claim all one wants. There is a big difference between being rational and believing in a supernatural.
No need to respond unless you would like to respond. My intention is not to provoke you.
Jul 12, 2015 18:05:44 #
LarJgrip wrote:
LarJgrip, I don't share your beliefs, but I thank you for your honest and reasonable response.Well, you believe something, don't you? You don't... (show quote)
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