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Jul 9, 2015 05:44:36   #
Bobbee
 
Hummm, I guess freedom of speech only extents one way. They did only ask if you took a picture. What would have happened next is not a matter of record now.

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Jul 9, 2015 06:02:14   #
Dan Mc Loc: NM
 
Do you ride the short bus???

"Camera in my hand at my side"...."tilted it up"

Did it occur to you at all that an approaching cop may have glimpsed that action and perceive a weapon... a pistol???

Dud, you need to get some street cred and street smarts very, very quickly!

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Jul 9, 2015 06:03:42   #
dynoking Loc: New York
 
You may have a right to photograph in public but law enforcement/investigators have important jobs too. Even when I have permits to photograph in sensitive areas if an officer asks me to move I obey the request. The reasons for the officer's response can be too numerous to list. Maintaining a respectful relationship in any situation has always paid off for me.

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Jul 9, 2015 06:37:20   #
mrova Loc: Chesterfield, VA
 
fjrwillie wrote:
Sunday 6 families lost their home to a fire. This occurred around 4:30am and by 8am the fire was pretty much out. I was headed out to take some other pictures, however stopped there to take some shots of the scene.

I was walking down one of the side walks with my camera at my side in my hand. I saw 2 cops walking toward me so I tilted the camera up without lifting my arm, focused (BBF) and was ready to fire off a shot and had second thoughts. One of the cops just had this look.

I walked pass them and he says Did you take a picture of me. I said I thought about it but didn't. We continued on our way.

It didn't bother me I didn't get the shot, it was only a picture and didn't really contribute to the activity. However it did bother me I was questioned. I called the police station on Monday and asked for one of the senior officer. I was told they were busy with a shift change and they would call me back. No call

I was out again taking some pictures and stopped in the police station and asked for the officer. Not here. I explained the situation and said I would appreciate a call.

Tuesday mid-morning the officer did call and we had a conversation. I explained the situation, telling him as far as I knew I was in the public domain, so were his officers and I had every right to take any picture I wanted.

He did not dispute my reasoning, but did offer that this was the 6th fire in this area and were suspicious in nature and his officers may have been a bit edgy because they were there to do some investigation.

I accepted his explanation and only wanted him to explain to his officers that I had the right to take photos and they should not intimidate folks doing so.

While I accept his explanation, I don't think that was what was going thru the officer's mind when he stopped and questioned me.

Just an experience

If you are interested in the pics I took the link to the flick account below should take you to them.

Willie
Sunday 6 families lost their home to a fire. This ... (show quote)


A possible answer to the officer's question: "Yes, I did, would you like to see it?" Possible answer from the officer: "Oh wow, that's a great shot!"
In this day and time, unfortunately, I can understand if the officer was indeed edgy. It is a different time whether we like that or not.
Having ridden with many officers over the years as a chaplain, I would imagine that if ANY photograph was taken around where an investigation is taking place, and possibly anyone walking nearby such a scene, potentially becomes part of the the evidence in that investigation.
Their work is already incredibly difficult.

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Jul 9, 2015 07:11:30   #
BooIsMyCat Loc: Somewhere
 
fjrwillie wrote:
Sunday 6 families lost their home to a fire. This occurred around 4:30am and by 8am the fire was pretty much out. I was headed out to take some other pictures, however stopped there to take some shots of the scene.

I was walking down one of the side walks with my camera at my side in my hand. I saw 2 cops walking toward me so I tilted the camera up without lifting my arm, focused (BBF) and was ready to fire off a shot and had second thoughts. One of the cops just had this look.

I walked pass them and he says Did you take a picture of me. I said I thought about it but didn't. We continued on our way.

It didn't bother me I didn't get the shot, it was only a picture and didn't really contribute to the activity. However it did bother me I was questioned. I called the police station on Monday and asked for one of the senior officer. I was told they were busy with a shift change and they would call me back. No call

I was out again taking some pictures and stopped in the police station and asked for the officer. Not here. I explained the situation and said I would appreciate a call.

Tuesday mid-morning the officer did call and we had a conversation. I explained the situation, telling him as far as I knew I was in the public domain, so were his officers and I had every right to take any picture I wanted.

He did not dispute my reasoning, but did offer that this was the 6th fire in this area and were suspicious in nature and his officers may have been a bit edgy because they were there to do some investigation.

I accepted his explanation and only wanted him to explain to his officers that I had the right to take photos and they should not intimidate folks doing so.

While I accept his explanation, I don't think that was what was going thru the officer's mind when he stopped and questioned me.

Just an experience

If you are interested in the pics I took the link to the flick account below should take you to them.

Willie
Sunday 6 families lost their home to a fire. This ... (show quote)



Granted, you have the "right" to take pictures in a public place but, what harm was done to you by the officer? Did he give you a hard time? No! According to you, he simply asked if you took his picture. Nothing more beyond your assumption over how the officer reacted.

This is exactly how "nothing" turns into a bad situation in today's environment. By your own admission YOU made a questionable move that anyone would have wondered about. YOU perceived wrong doing by the officer who simply asked a question and YOU decided that it had to be dealt with.

You could have just gone on about your business but nooooo! You had to show this officer that you are not going to allow anyone to treat YOU in such a manner!

By your own explanation of the situation YOU have painted yourself to be a pompus ass!

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Jul 9, 2015 07:38:30   #
cbabcock
 
rpavich wrote:
Well said comrade.

That's EXACTLY why he should. Because we live in a country that presumes innocence and then requires proof of guilt.

The logic about not doing things because someone may disapprove never made sense to me.

How about the first amendment? Ring any bells? The right to a free press shall not be abridged? Free speech?

Every time we shrink away, the line moves farther towards not having those rights.


Amen to that! Too many (actually, any are too many) have "paid a price," to use a term appearing in another post, for overreaching by the police. "Appearing suspicious" should not result in intimidation, much less death.

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Jul 9, 2015 07:39:03   #
SonyBug
 
rmalarz wrote:
Apparently, you'd not make a good news photographer. Even if it were freelance.

Just a few of the ones I've photographed.

http://clueinabox.com/TFD/

--Bob


Well Bob, I clicked your link and my security software gave me a warning that you have a malicious website. So, how do I trust that???

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Jul 9, 2015 07:40:57   #
cbabcock
 
nikonbug wrote:
Well Bob, I clicked your link and my security software gave me a warning that you have a malicious website. So, how do I trust that???


It may be a problem with your security software. Mine thinks it's ok.

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Jul 9, 2015 07:58:27   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
fjrwillie wrote:
Sunday 6 families lost their home to a fire. This occurred around 4:30am and by 8am the fire was pretty much out. I was headed out to take some other pictures, however stopped there to take some shots of the scene.

I was walking down one of the side walks with my camera at my side in my hand. I saw 2 cops walking toward me so I tilted the camera up without lifting my arm, focused (BBF) and was ready to fire off a shot and had second thoughts. One of the cops just had this look.

I walked pass them and he says Did you take a picture of me. I said I thought about it but didn't. We continued on our way.

It didn't bother me I didn't get the shot, it was only a picture and didn't really contribute to the activity. However it did bother me I was questioned. I called the police station on Monday and asked for one of the senior officer. I was told they were busy with a shift change and they would call me back. No call

I was out again taking some pictures and stopped in the police station and asked for the officer. Not here. I explained the situation and said I would appreciate a call.

Tuesday mid-morning the officer did call and we had a conversation. I explained the situation, telling him as far as I knew I was in the public domain, so were his officers and I had every right to take any picture I wanted.

He did not dispute my reasoning, but did offer that this was the 6th fire in this area and were suspicious in nature and his officers may have been a bit edgy because they were there to do some investigation.

I accepted his explanation and only wanted him to explain to his officers that I had the right to take photos and they should not intimidate folks doing so.

While I accept his explanation, I don't think that was what was going thru the officer's mind when he stopped and questioned me.

Just an experience

If you are interested in the pics I took the link to the flick account below should take you to them.

Willie
Sunday 6 families lost their home to a fire. This ... (show quote)


Your Monday morning follow-up call to the police station to talk to a "senior officer" was childish, at best. Let the police force do their work without time-consuming, immature, petty interference from ego-driven mentalities.

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Jul 9, 2015 08:14:47   #
fjrwillie Loc: MA
 
BooIsMyCat wrote:
Granted, you have the "right" to take pictures in a public place but, what harm was done to you by the officer? Did he give you a hard time? No! According to you, he simply asked if you took his picture. Nothing more beyond your assumption over how the officer reacted.

This is exactly how "nothing" turns into a bad situation in today's environment. By your own admission YOU made a questionable move that anyone would have wondered about. YOU perceived wrong doing by the officer who simply asked a question and YOU decided that it had to be dealt with.

You could have just gone on about your business but nooooo! You had to show this officer that you are not going to allow anyone to treat YOU in such a manner!

By your own explanation of the situation YOU have painted yourself to be a pompus ass!
Granted, you have the "right" to take pi... (show quote)


Really!! I did not go on. When I spoke with the senior, officer there was no discussion about who the person was nor did I ask for the officers badge number from either of them. So I did not You could have just gone on about your business but nooooo! You had to show this officer that you are not going to allow anyone to treat YOU in such a manner!

Willie

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Jul 9, 2015 08:18:40   #
fjrwillie Loc: MA
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
Your Monday morning follow-up call to the police station to talk to a "senior officer" was childish, at best. Let the police force do their work without time-consuming, immature, petty interference from ego-driven mentalities.


I am not sure childish is the right term or ego-driven mentality is the correct description and not sure why immature, but I can accept what you said without the characterization.

Willie

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Jul 9, 2015 08:23:34   #
Mik Minick Loc: Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
 
News people do it all the time..it's the nature of their business.

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Jul 9, 2015 08:24:10   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
fjrwillie wrote:
I am not sure childish is the right term or ego-driven mentality is the correct description and not sure why immature, but I can accept what you said without the characterization.

Willie


Give this one up--you were wrong.

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Jul 9, 2015 08:36:37   #
Marilyng Loc: Lorain,Oh.
 
fjrwillie wrote:
Sunday 6 families lost their home to a fire. This occurred around 4:30am and by 8am the fire was pretty much out. I was headed out to take some other pictures, however stopped there to take some shots of the scene.

I was walking down one of the side walks with my camera at my side in my hand. I saw 2 cops walking toward me so I tilted the camera up without lifting my arm, focused (BBF) and was ready to fire off a shot and had second thoughts. One of the cops just had this look.

I walked pass them and he says Did you take a picture of me. I said I thought about it but didn't. We continued on our way.

It didn't bother me I didn't get the shot, it was only a picture and didn't really contribute to the activity. However it did bother me I was questioned. I called the police station on Monday and asked for one of the senior officer. I was told they were busy with a shift change and they would call me back. No call

I was out again taking some pictures and stopped in the police station and asked for the officer. Not here. I explained the situation and said I would appreciate a call.

Tuesday mid-morning the officer did call and we had a conversation. I explained the situation, telling him as far as I knew I was in the public domain, so were his officers and I had every right to take any picture I wanted.

He did not dispute my reasoning, but did offer that this was the 6th fire in this area and were suspicious in nature and his officers may have been a bit edgy because they were there to do some investigation.

I accepted his explanation and only wanted him to explain to his officers that I had the right to take photos and they should not intimidate folks doing so.

While I accept his explanation, I don't think that was what was going thru the officer's mind when he stopped and questioned me.

Just an experience

If you are interested in the pics I took the link to the flick account below should take you to them.

Willie
Sunday 6 families lost their home to a fire. This ... (show quote)


I think the police were just a little on edge with all the recent fires they have had in the area.Give them a thumbs up for being concerned,that is their job,your photos are amazing, thanks for sharing the link with us!

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Jul 9, 2015 08:46:18   #
twillsol Loc: St. Louis, MO
 
OddJobber wrote:
I don't believe you deserve all the criticism you've received over this, but I do believe that you're the one overreacting. Your headline, "Stopped by the Police", turns out to be nothing more than a question in passing and you're the one continuing to pursue the issue looking for validation that you've been wronged somehow.


:thumbup: :thumbup: I agree with you Oddjobber

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