obeone wrote:
I've reintroduced film to my digital photography. I have been an advocate of digital and Photo Shop since it's earliest days and would never give up my 5D Mk II (except to upgrade), but digital has one glaring fault. It lacks permanence. I recently tried to find some photos I'd taken ten years ago and had stored on CD. After finally finding the correct Cd, I could not get the photos from the CD due to some fault with the storage media. The CD had been stored in a controlled environment and showed no physical damage, but was not usable.
I can still go to my slide files and pull slides that look as good as the day i shot them in Vietnam almost fifty years ago.
Bottom line, unless you're willing to recopy and store your files every few years, you're at risk of loosing them. Film lasts - if its important, or I think I may want to keep it long term, I'll back up the shot with film.
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IT'S called CD Rot, and it is a growing phenomena which has much to do with the chemistry used in the make up of CD's AND DVD's. Search it on the internet.
It's turning out that the most viable storage method of digital photos or data, is the good old hard drive, in the form of external drives. That is only as good as the best hard drives and reliability in the storage media market.
Even that, as all digital media, requires occasional migration to other media, as the market for storage media evolves. Add to that the fact that every migration introduces electronic radio frequency noise to the mix.
It's beginning to look like good old film (transparencies and negs) will ultimately outlast digital media.
I'm still using my 35mm SLR, It cost me to much to not use it, a comparable DSLR is way beyond my ability to buy one at this time. I enjoy using film but get funny looks when you can hear the film rewinding. I do have a point and shoot that I have with me most of the time but the quality of it does not equal film.
BHC
Loc: Strawberry Valley, JF, USA
The only time I use film is when I shoot 4 X 5. Sure wish I could afford a digital back for my Toyo.
I still use both. And, truth be known, it's the digital world - the ease of scanning and editing in Photoshop & Lightroom - that has me doing more of it. I enjoy the process, and I get to use cameras that I love like my beautiful IIIF and Minolta TC-1.
Roger Hicks wrote:
In the letters pages and on the photo forums, there's a repeated thread of nostalgia: "How I miss the good old film days."
So why did you stop? Or why don't you do what I do, and use film alongside digital? With very few exceptions (especially Leicas), even good film cameras cost very little nowadays, and darkroom equipment is given away.
Cheers,
R.
Well I am a newbie here but not new to photography. I use both digital and film. Photography-digital versus film is like the music industry--digital versus analog or CDs versus Vinyl. Teh fact is the music recorded on vinyl records is superior to any of eh digital recordins and not even close. However CDs and DVDs are so convenient and so portable. Then there are all these small devices and Iphones, I pads that play music and hold 3000 or more songs and can be plugged into a larger box so to speak and produce music ina room. But the fact still reamins that digital music is still second best to analog recordings. Software has turned the photography world into the need for the perfect picture according to software. It also has increased the creative opportunities that were non-existent before. However, when you look at a picture how much of it truly existed or is real? And in some cases when a scene was truly reality and teh camera duplicates tht reality exactly it is scrutinized from a software perspective and questioned why is there a reflection off teh water as an example--yes interesting. There is teh photographer who wants to duplicate teh scene as he saw it and then ther is the photogrpher who wants to make it look perfect as he perceives it--all very interesting.
Jer
Loc: Mesa, Arizona
The only reason I would use film if I have a need for a 2 1/4 or 4 by 5 photo. I still have both cameras. However, my 5d mii is such a great camera with L series lens I won't be shooting film again.
Also, the software today allows you to do things that were very difficult to do in a darkroom. You can do unshapen masks in a darkroom. Very time consuming. In a photo program, less than a few seconds and you don't have to go to the darkroom and do things like check chemical temps.
I still have film that I haven't shot and will use it in certain situations, but the truth is, the reason I got into digital in the first place was because it cost more to process film, and it also took up time to see results.
So I'd say that my reason for ultimately not shooting in film is "time and money".
Roger Hicks wrote:
In the letters pages and on the photo forums, there's a repeated thread of nostalgia: "How I miss the good old film days."
So why did you stop? Or why don't you do what I do, and use film alongside digital? With very few exceptions (especially Leicas), even good film cameras cost very little nowadays, and darkroom equipment is given away.
Cheers,
R.
I bought my first digital camera in 1995, a Kodak with a whopping one megapixels. I got tired of the costs and limitation of film.
I have many friends producing new vinyl records. They vastly prefer it.
The best rock and roll recording studio in Chicago uses 2 inch analog tape recording. The studio is used by many major artists, with a waiting list.
I just shot the center fold for a 2 disc vinyl 33 LP. In all fairness I did shoot digital.
Ooh, the mailman just delivered 6 mint 3.25 x 4.25 film holders. I need to open this box.
Are dreams analog or digital?
Allegro23 wrote:
Roger Hicks wrote:
In the letters pages and on the photo forums, there's a repeated thread of nostalgia: "How I miss the good old film days."
So why did you stop? Or why don't you do what I do, and use film alongside digital? With very few exceptions (especially Leicas), even good film cameras cost very little nowadays, and darkroom equipment is given away.
Cheers,
R.
Well I am a newbie here but not new to photography. I use both digital and film. Photography-digital versus film is like the music industry--digital versus analog or CDs versus Vinyl. Teh fact is the music recorded on vinyl records is superior to any of eh digital recordins and not even close. However CDs and DVDs are so convenient and so portable. Then there are all these small devices and Iphones, I pads that play music and hold 3000 or more songs and can be plugged into a larger box so to speak and produce music ina room. But the fact still reamins that digital music is still second best to analog recordings. Software has turned the photography world into the need for the perfect picture according to software. It also has increased the creative opportunities that were non-existent before. However, when you look at a picture how much of it truly existed or is real? And in some cases when a scene was truly reality and teh camera duplicates tht reality exactly it is scrutinized from a software perspective and questioned why is there a reflection off teh water as an example--yes interesting. There is teh photographer who wants to duplicate teh scene as he saw it and then ther is the photogrpher who wants to make it look perfect as he perceives it--all very interesting.
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I enjoy film because of the process, slow down, think, compose, then shoot. I like digital because it is instant gratification.
MT Shooter wrote:
I have never stopped. Right now I have over 60 rolls of 120, and 110 rolls of 36mm E-6 in the freezer. Nothing like true film transparencies.
I too shoot both 35mm and 120mm. It has taught me to be a better photographer. There is nothing like using a meter ( digital ) and having to think about composing a shot instead of just pointing and shooting at random. Don't knock film until you have seen a 120mm print.
randymoe wrote:
Most people here know I use both. I don't use 35mm much. Medium format is great with so many affordable cameras.
I am just getting into 4x5. Right now I am waiting for an EBay 4x5 Horseman L in mint condition. My only regret is I did not discover large format years ago.
Actually it's hybrid 4x5 as I shoot Velvia and scan it. Very high IQ untouched by any digital camera I could ever afford.
I am waiting for a Nikon D800, but it will not come close to what 4x5 can do and will be digital waste in 10 years or less.
I really enjoy B&W home film development and traditional printing. A similar difference as digital fast food is to fine dining.
Just last night I won on eBay a tiny cheap little treasure. It is a 2x3 film developing holder for 12 sheets at once. Got 2 for $10 delivered!
This is great. As B&H still has 2x3 film I can shoot my Busch mini Pressman and easily develop the sheets.
In some ways I see this era as a golden moment to enjoy high end film cameras and techniques for cheap. Someday film cameras will be very rare. Not in my remaining time, but time destroys all old things.
I fondly remember coming of age in the 60's when I could buy an American hotrod convertible for $100. Drive it the rest of the way into the ground and then buy another. Now those same cars are scarce and very expensive.
I have a collector personality. I value old things and ways.
I also worry all our digital computers, cameras and vehicles could just stop working. I will keep my tube radios, film cameras, old motorcycles as usable as dry ammo.
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I envy you your Horseman. I'm shooting a Yashica 124g and a Koni-Omega. What a machine!
Rich Maher wrote:
randymoe wrote:
Most people here know I use both. I don't use 35mm much. Medium format is great with so many affordable cameras.
I am just getting into 4x5. Right now I am waiting for an EBay 4x5 Horseman L in mint condition. My only regret is I did not discover large format years ago.
Actually it's hybrid 4x5 as I shoot Velvia and scan it. Very high IQ untouched by any digital camera I could ever afford.
I am waiting for a Nikon D800, but it will not come close to what 4x5 can do and will be digital waste in 10 years or less.
I really enjoy B&W home film development and traditional printing. A similar difference as digital fast food is to fine dining.
Just last night I won on eBay a tiny cheap little treasure. It is a 2x3 film developing holder for 12 sheets at once. Got 2 for $10 delivered!
This is great. As B&H still has 2x3 film I can shoot my Busch mini Pressman and easily develop the sheets.
In some ways I see this era as a golden moment to enjoy high end film cameras and techniques for cheap. Someday film cameras will be very rare. Not in my remaining time, but time destroys all old things.
I fondly remember coming of age in the 60's when I could buy an American hotrod convertible for $100. Drive it the rest of the way into the ground and then buy another. Now those same cars are scarce and very expensive.
I have a collector personality. I value old things and ways.
I also worry all our digital computers, cameras and vehicles could just stop working. I will keep my tube radios, film cameras, old motorcycles as usable as dry ammo.
Most people here know I use both. I don't use 35mm... (
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I envy you your Horseman. I'm shooting a Yashica 124g and a Koni-Omega. What a machine!
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Thanks for your comment and wow some cameras.
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