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Jul 6, 2015 10:31:04   #
nat Loc: Martha's Vineyard, MA
 
bruswen wrote:
You did not say what you plan to use the ND filters for, 9 stops is a lot of light reduction. Unless you have a particular need for that many stops, for most purposes you can just get one filter, say 4 stops, and use you ISO to approximate the effect of 2 and 3 stop filters. If you start with your ISO at 100 using a 4 stop filter, raising it to 200 would be equivalent to a 3 stop filter, raising it to 400 would be equivalent to a 2 stop filter. So, I recommend you get one high quality ND filter. Tiffen's best filter is the IRND series that they claim has no color cast. Buy a filter that will fit the biggest lens you own or plan to buy (for many people that is 77mm) and use step down rings to adapt it to your other lenses, that will save you lots of money in the long run.
You did not say what you plan to use the ND filter... (show quote)


Thank you. Good advice. I'm interested in shooting water (ocean, rocks, piers) and getting that real smooth effect. Will look into the stepdown rings.

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Jul 6, 2015 10:42:21   #
bruswen Loc: Eugene OR
 
nat wrote:
I'm interested in shooting water (ocean, rocks, piers) and getting that real smooth effect.


For the effect you are talking about you will need a good tripod and something like a 10 stop filter. A 10 stop filter lets in so little light that you have to focus your lens with the filter off, turn off autofocus, (I also tape the focus ring with gaffer's tape so I don't accidentally bump it out of focus) add the filter and manually set the aperture and shutter speed. There are apps you can get that will make the calculations for these settings for you like NDCalc on Android.

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Jul 6, 2015 11:19:07   #
nat Loc: Martha's Vineyard, MA
 
bruswen wrote:
For the effect you are talking about you will need a good tripod and something like a 10 stop filter. A 10 stop filter lets in so little light that you have to focus your lens with the filter off, turn off autofocus, (I also tape the focus ring with gaffer's tape so I don't accidentally bump it out of focus) add the filter and manually set the aperture and shutter speed. There are apps you can get that will make the calculations for these settings for you like NDCalc on Android.


I have the tripod, but the 10 stop filter is way too pricey. I have decided to shoot at sunset, which should help that problem. Have watched videos on long exposures. Guess it helps to use live view, also. Thanks for the tip on preventing the manual focus ring from moving; I was wondering how to do that. Don't have a phone for getting apps. I know that stacked filters don't give the sharpest image, but at my advanced age and static income, I just want to have fun, learn stuff, and maybe get some half decent photos.

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Jul 6, 2015 11:51:47   #
IsoBob Loc: Hamilton, NJ
 
Jim Bob wrote:
Tiffin filters suck.


Is that why the movie industry uses them??

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Jul 6, 2015 11:58:20   #
speters Loc: Grangeville/Idaho
 
jcboy3 wrote:
Set your camera WB to an appropriate fixed value (don't use AUTO). Shoot a WB target without and with the filter. Bring the images into your editing software and compare temp/tint values for the two images of the WB target; the difference between them is the color cast imparted by the filter. This difference can be used to adjust WB in the future.

No need for that, just take one shot with the filter and set a Custom White Balance in your camera and you're done.

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Jul 6, 2015 12:29:50   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
Tiffen, like every filter manufacturer, makes various quality levels of filters.... some quite good, some not so good. For example, I don't know if it's still the case, but Tiffen used to be one of the few manufacturers offering rectangular, graduated NDs that were glass (most are optical plastic).

I agree with bruswen... if your primary use is still photography... you should be able to get by with just one or two ND filters. Depending upon how strong you need for what you want to do with it, a 6, 8 or 9 stop filter should suffice and for stills you can adjust shutter speed, aperture and ISO to give you an extensive working range, even with a single filter.

Weaker filters for more "fine tuned" adjustment are more often needed for videography, because there's so much more limited range of shutter speeds available to work with (ISO and aperture still offer a range, though).

At a price of $119 for three filters, I'm pretty sure that set of Tiffen filters are "plain", uncoated or single coated glass.

Depending upon the size and strength needed, a single, high quality multi-coated filter such as B+W MRC Schott glass in a brass frame would cost a bit more. There are Hoya and Marumi of similar quality that cost less (but might be mounted in aluminum rings and not quite as high quality glass).

Anyway, I'd recommend instead to get a single, better filter instead... if your only or primary use is still photos.

Here's an interesting comparison of 10-stop (3.0 or 110) ND filters. http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/10-Stop-Neutral-Density-Filter.aspx Warning: the Tiffen does fare very well (uncorrectable color cast)! Hoya Pro doesn't do all that great either (has the least color cast, but has strong image softening effect).

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Jul 6, 2015 17:40:21   #
jrushphoto Loc: Flint, MI
 
nat wrote:
Thank you. Good advice. I'm interested in shooting water (ocean, rocks, piers) and getting that real smooth effect. Will look into the stepdown rings.


You want to get step-"up" rings. Get the filter to fit your largest lens and use the step-up rings to go from your smaller lenses "up" to the size of the filter.

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Jul 6, 2015 18:27:16   #
GENorkus Loc: Washington Twp, Michigan
 
Since you have a very limited budget, there is no questions. Get the Tiffin filters until a later time that you feel so inclined to get higher quality... or not.

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Jul 7, 2015 02:47:54   #
19104 Loc: Philadelphia
 
did you check out Ebay, you can save a lot of money if your dont mind buying used.

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Jul 7, 2015 06:29:15   #
nat Loc: Martha's Vineyard, MA
 
19104 wrote:
did you check out Ebay, you can save a lot of money if your dont mind buying used.


I decided that I'd rather have new filters, fearing used ones may be scratched.

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Jul 7, 2015 06:29:55   #
nat Loc: Martha's Vineyard, MA
 
GENorkus wrote:
Since you have a very limited budget, there is no questions. Get the Tiffin filters until a later time that you feel so inclined to get higher quality... or not.


That's just what I did. They should arrive in a couple days.

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Jul 8, 2015 07:41:25   #
loperR Loc: Medina ,Ohio
 
Try KEH for B+W FILTERS

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