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Jul 5, 2015 08:37:41   #
lone ranger Loc: Port Saint Lucie, Florida
 
Absolutely So!!....
drivered wrote:
If any american is ashamed of our flag let them move elsewhere. This political correctness is a bunch of Bull Sh__.

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Jul 5, 2015 08:38:35   #
sb Loc: Florida's East Coast
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Thank you. :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: This was a Christian nation founded on Christian principles. No matter how much PC speech trys to change history and the truth of the founding of this nation.


Gee - read the works of some of our founding fathers, instead of taking the FAUX-TV version of history (talking about rewriting history). Thomas Paine, Benjamin Franklin - while "Christian principles" are important, they rebelled against the government supporting any specific religion - after all, that was one of the main reasons they left England in the first place. Thomas Paine even wrote (in "Common Sense" ) about how ridiculous and unbelievable much of the Bible is - he was a "Deist" - he believed that there is a God, but not one whose story is written by man. So our history is much more complex than what you think.

And we have moved forward on THEIR principles with such Supreme Court rulings as the one that says that those who are employed by the state cannot lead religious activities in public schools. Would you want a teacher teaching Islam to kids? I wouldn't except as part of an overall religious history class. No - prayer was NEVER removed from school - STUDENTS are free to pray and free to organize prayer groups and religious groups of all types as long as it does not interfere with the normal operations of the school. Teachers and administrators (and janitors) are NEVER allowed to do that. And it might surprise you to learn that the ACLU regularly intercedes on behalf of Christian students who are having their rights denied them. One example was a student in Pennsylvania who wanted to sing a Christian hymn in a talent contest. The school told her she couldn't sing it and the ACLU went to bat for her and the school backed down after having a lesson in the law. Our Constitution is getting BETTER.

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Jul 5, 2015 08:47:02   #
brow3904 Loc: Upstate South Carolina
 
nakkh wrote:
Where I live there are flags everywhere. I live in la-la-liberal land.
People love this country here and display flags proudly. But still not
displaying a flag says nothing about your patriotism. Stop being so
shallow on America's birthday.


So sad, you just don't get it!

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Jul 5, 2015 08:53:13   #
dcampbell52 Loc: Clearwater Fl
 
wilsondl2 wrote:
I just went out to hang our flag. Looked up and down the block and not another flag to be seen. Thirty five years ago their was one on ever house. I guess folks are too busy getting the buys at Wall Mart to think about our great country. - Dave


Our block, neighborhood and city are covered in flags.. I have 10 small in the yard and garden and a large flag flying from the flagpost in the front yard... I think it depends on the area.. Also, while tha flag is a symbol, don't make it a requirement.. Too many of my friends gave their lives to protect your right to either fly the flag or not fly it as your choice. I spent 25 years doing it myself... You make your decision, and let the others make their own.

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Jul 5, 2015 09:02:46   #
MontanaTrace
 
wilsondl2 wrote:
I just went out to hang our flag. Looked up and down the block and not another flag to be seen. Thirty five years ago their was one on ever house. I guess folks are too busy getting the buys at Wall Mart to think about our great country. - Dave


I have a dozen small flags lining the front yard.

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Jul 5, 2015 09:03:10   #
Cynorman
 
Where else in this world can so many differing voices be heard with freedom to do so. Fly it, or not, your neighbor is an American. Lose respect of that and your flag is meaningless.

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Jul 5, 2015 09:09:14   #
dcampbell52 Loc: Clearwater Fl
 
Cynorman wrote:
Where else in this world can so many differing voices be heard with freedom to do so. Fly it, or not, your neighbor is an American. Lose respect of that and your flag is meaningless.


:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Jul 5, 2015 09:11:09   #
dave sproul Loc: Tucson AZ
 
In spit of the implied and stated negative comments and the rationalizations on how the country and flag supports this or that specific agenda and not others that have spew forth here — try this concept on for why the flag is not being displayed:

Individuals tend to become more involved if they have invested some part of themselves in the cause, unless something later vilifies the cause or their involvement.

The veterans of WW I, WW II, and Korea are dying off. There are less of them around to fly the flag.

Many of the Vietnam veterans were vilified upon returning home. I suspect some, but not all, of these veterans feel this country let them down and they are not now big flag waving type.

For several years there has been no effective draft. The military is a volunteer military.

I am going to suggest this volunteer military comes from a small portion of the population that either is already patriotic or has some disadvantage in our society (economic, social, wondering, educational, etc).

I suspect these individuals will become more patriotic and will be the ones displaying the flag in the future — if the country does not vilify them and they feel the country has not let them down.

They are doing their part. Now we must do ours. Bickering does not help.

From someone that served 1954 - 1977 US Navy & US Army.

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Jul 5, 2015 09:15:14   #
Croce Loc: Earth
 
sinatraman wrote:
I find that comment extremely ironic next to your avatar. I for one fly our flag daily. With the way things are going in this country am very tempted to fly the flag upside down as a sign of distress and protest. What I find extremely offensive and a violation of the US flag code, is the photos of gays flying US flags modified to where the stipes of the flag are replaced with rainbow colored stripes. Every part of the flag has symbolic meaning. Never understood the connection between gays and rainbows. The rainbow was created by God to be a symbol to humanity of his covenant to never again destroy the earth by flood as in noah's time. Among the flagerent sins blatantly occurring at that time was rampant homosexuality. The same sin that led to the nukeing and total destruction of Sodom, Gehhmora, and 3 other cities in ancient Israel.
I find that comment extremely ironic next to your ... (show quote)


I fly my flag every day. I have been married to the same wonderful woman for 34 years. We have 3 successful and happy children. 2 of them veterans. I am a veteran. None of us are gay. I am agnostic. You say you are an American yet you spread hate and fear of gays, many of whom have served sacrificing life and limb for our country. You believe in bullshit ancient stories about wrath, destruction and punishment by god. You indicate that you think homosexuality should be punished as in ancient Israel. You call yourself and American yet openly advocate eradicating a substantial part of our citizenry. Yes, sadly you are an American. You are an American bigot and if there is truly a god, you would be a god damned American bigot. Happy 4th to you.

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Jul 5, 2015 09:17:09   #
phlash46 Loc: Westchester County, New York
 
Architect1776 wrote:
No they can't. That is what liberals say and they all hate America and do all they can to destroy it. It is a proven fact that the observation of the flag makes people feel more pride and have conservative positive thoughts about the US. Vs liberals and Democrats doing all they can to supreme love of country and pride in its glorious past.


Horse patootie...

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Jul 5, 2015 09:17:44   #
tenbanshee Loc: Woodstock, IL
 
[quote=jerryc41]Mine is on its big, aluminum flagpole, just as it is every day.


So is mine Jerry, In fact I just put up a new one last week. The bottom corner was torn on mine.

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Jul 5, 2015 09:18:24   #
lone ranger Loc: Port Saint Lucie, Florida
 
I agree with you, I served my country, in Vietnam from 1965-1967.....i was in Special Forces, and was involved in covert operations...
dave sproul wrote:
In spit of the implied and stated negative comments and the rationalizations on how the country and flag supports this or that specific agenda and not others that have spew forth here — try this concept on for why the flag is not being displayed:

Individuals tend to become more involved if they have invested some part of themselves in the cause, unless something later vilifies the cause or their involvement.

The veterans of WW I, WW II, and Korea are dying off. There are less of them around to fly the flag.

Many of the Vietnam veterans were vilified upon returning home. I suspect some, but not all, of these veterans feel this country let them down and they are not now big flag waving type.

For several years there has been no effective draft. The military is a volunteer military.

I am going to suggest this volunteer military comes from a small portion of the population that either is already patriotic or has some disadvantage in our society (economic, social, wondering, educational, etc).

I suspect these individuals will become more patriotic and will be the ones displaying the flag in the future — if the country does not vilify them and they feel the country has not let them down.

They are doing their part. Now we must do ours. Bickering does not help.

From someone that served 1954 - 1977 US Navy & US Army.
In spit of the implied and stated negative comment... (show quote)

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Jul 5, 2015 09:18:31   #
Croce Loc: Earth
 
dave sproul wrote:
In spit of the implied and stated negative comments and the rationalizations on how the country and flag supports this or that specific agenda and not others that have spew forth here — try this concept on for why the flag is not being displayed:

Individuals tend to become more involved if they have invested some part of themselves in the cause, unless something later vilifies the cause or their involvement.

The veterans of WW I, WW II, and Korea are dying off. There are less of them around to fly the flag.

Many of the Vietnam veterans were vilified upon returning home. I suspect some, but not all, of these veterans feel this country let them down and they are not now big flag waving type.

For several years there has been no effective draft. The military is a volunteer military.

I am going to suggest this volunteer military comes from a small portion of the population that either is already patriotic or has some disadvantage in our society (economic, social, wondering, educational, etc).

I suspect these individuals will become more patriotic and will be the ones displaying the flag in the future — if the country does not vilify them and they feel the country has not let them down.

They are doing their part. Now we must do ours. Bickering does not help.

From someone that served 1954 - 1977 US Navy & US Army.
In spit of the implied and stated negative comment... (show quote)


You make many good observations Dave Sproul. I agree with you wholeheartedly and I salute your service. Thank you.

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Jul 5, 2015 09:31:16   #
Stash Loc: South Central Massachusetts
 
The flag flies over my house every day unless the weather is bad.



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Jul 5, 2015 09:32:26   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
In fact - although I respect the flag for what it represents, I do not "Pledge Allegiance" to a piece of cloth. I DO pledge allegiance - and when I recite the Pledge I substitute the word "Constitution" for the word "flag". It is the Constitution to which we should all pledge our allegiance and it is the Constitution that we protect with our lives if necessary. Yes, liberals too.[/quote]

Yes there is hatred and justified. Democrats in the last 6 years in particular have dismanteled the Constitution with glee. Calling someone who, yes hates to see the Constitution destroyed, a racist and other such things is the very tactic they all use to silence the truth. Well I don't care as you cannot follow the Constitution and be a liberal or a democrat. Look at the destruction of freedoms that they foment daily. Forcing people to bow down to the god of the government and fear their own government. No you cannot love this country as it was founded. You voted to "Fundamentally change it" twice now. And you are doing so until we are no longer any better than most 3rd world nations I have lived in. Yes it is hate and a most bitter hate for those doing this to my country I gave so much of my body and health for and many buddies who gave their all for. They are weeping as this nation is no longer recognizable as the leader of freedom in the world but just another loser nation bowing down to now Russia and China and their puppets around the globe while internally half the nation is on the dole because they can vote to punish those who work, steal their money and get free food, housing, phones and medical on the backs of those who still work.

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