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Jul 3, 2015 04:50:52   #
RWR Loc: La Mesa, CA
 
SharpShooter wrote:
I do it with everybody I don't recognize or is new, especially when they come on here say they are/were Pros!!
Does it help you when they qualify it with, "I've been shooting for 50 years"?? Isn't that ANYBODY that's 60+ years old?

Some here appear to have huge technical knowledge. I learn from that.
But I want them to be able to connect the dots for me as well.
Personally I listen more when I know a guy can shoot and has demonstrated that ability. For me it gives them credentials! Others, I completely skip what they say! No credentials!!

Am I the only one? Am I the odd one here for wanting to take my advice from a guy/gal that has a proven portfolio?

What are YOUR thoughts on this?
What puts teeth into someone's advice more than someone else's, for you, or will you just listen to anybody?!

Nothing confrontational here, just posing the question?!?! ;-)
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I do it with everybody I don't recognize or is new... (show quote)


Nothing confrontational intended here, either, but I just made a comment on lens adapters in another thread. I see no need to post examples of my work to prove the veracity of that comment.

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Jul 3, 2015 05:49:07   #
Bobbee
 
OddJobber wrote:
1. Have to have more time as a Forum member than I have.
2. Have to have a minimum of 1000 posts.
3. Extra points for living outside the U.S., shooting Nikon and drinking beer.
4. Points deducted for frequent postings in Chit Chat.


Funny.

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Jul 3, 2015 05:56:08   #
Bobbee
 
So, I never like the word expert, even in my day to day job. At client sites that is how the sales people introduce me. I tell the client I am not an expert. They get upset and say then what are you. I just say I am a person who knows more today than yesterday. It has been that way my whole life.

So if I read someone's post and gain something by it. I figure, with what knowledge I have already in my head, if it is worth while or not, without looking at their 'stuff'. Also between this forum and my regular job and all the other crap in my life I have little time to ponder other peoples stuff just for personal verification. So I guees the answer is 'not often', but I have, just out of interest. See like right now I have no desire to run off and look at your site. Not that I may not want to, have to finish going through the digest, add some finishing touches to last weeks wedding photos, rebuild the carb on the tractor, go shopping for tomorrows BBQ and then figure out how to truncate a repeating variable length array from DBCS consideration to byte representation. Whew, I am tired already. Goning back to bed and my cozy wife.

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Jul 3, 2015 06:37:56   #
Psergel Loc: New Mexico
 
oldtigger wrote:
I don't care if the only photo they ever took was the backside of the lens cap as long as the tech info is correct.


But they would get points for a really GOOD image of the inside of a lens cap.

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Jul 3, 2015 06:58:41   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Portfolios don't impress me. I sometimes click on someone's web site just out of curiosity, but not as a background check.

If someone can answer a question or solve a problem, then I'm happy. Luciano Pavarotti had a voice coach, a coach who wasn't an opera star.

EDIT: I think you have to consider what question the person is answering. I feel safe giving advice in certain areas, but not in others. If someone wants advice about studio lighting, I'm not going to make an attempt at answering.

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Jul 3, 2015 07:12:29   #
Billyspad Loc: The Philippines
 
ALL photo sites and ALL camera clubs etc have people who can talk the talk but not walk the walk. Just a fact of life that has to be accepted. They suffer constant GAS and have a bag full of gear but can use none of it. Just smile.

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Jul 3, 2015 07:22:40   #
Psergel Loc: New Mexico
 
As someone relatively new to the game.........If someone were giving advice on style, composition or IQ I'd most likely want a look at their pics.
If someone were giving technical advice I probably wouldn't care how their pictures look.

An example would be the UHH member "Searcher".....when he provides answers for questions about Lightroom I assume the guru has spoken but.....I don't remember ever looking at any images posted by him.

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Jul 3, 2015 07:33:56   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
OddJobber wrote:
1. Have to have more time as a Forum member than I have.
2. Have to have a minimum of 1000 posts.
3. Extra points for living outside the U.S., shooting Nikon and drinking beer.
4. Points deducted for frequent postings in Chit Chat.


So long as you don't mind the Attic I'm safe, but I don't think I'll be giving lessons to anybody.

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Jul 3, 2015 07:43:25   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
Sharpshooter,

I don't care how long someone has been shooting...,,.,I just look at their pics. Skill is skill.

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Jul 3, 2015 07:48:25   #
bobmartin
 
Just because someone has an in-depth knowledge of a subject doesn't necessarily mean that they are proficient in the execution of it. There's an old saying along the lines of... Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach.

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Jul 3, 2015 08:30:39   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
SharpShooter wrote:
I do it with everybody I don't recognize or is new, especially when they come on here say they are/were Pros!!
Does it help you when they qualify it with, "I've been shooting for 50 years"?? Isn't that ANYBODY that's 60+ years old?

Some here appear to have huge technical knowledge. I learn from that.
But I want them to be able to connect the dots for me as well.
Personally I listen more when I know a guy can shoot and has demonstrated that ability. For me it gives them credentials! Others, I completely skip what they say! No credentials!!

Am I the only one? Am I the odd one here for wanting to take my advice from a guy/gal that has a proven portfolio?

What are YOUR thoughts on this?
What puts teeth into someone's advice more than someone else's, for you, or will you just listen to anybody?!

Nothing confrontational here, just posing the question?!?! ;-)
SS
I do it with everybody I don't recognize or is new... (show quote)


My view is that everyone has something to teach...and something to learn.

If a person here is honestly trying to help another with a problem, then they are worth listening to. I have learned much from people with far less experience than I.

Of course, there are a few people who post here only to demonstrate how smart they are. I learn from them as well, it's just harder.

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Jul 3, 2015 09:06:42   #
Leitz Loc: Solms
 
SharpShooter wrote:
I do it with everybody I don't recognize or is new, especially when they come on here say they are/were Pros!!
Does it help you when they qualify it with, "I've been shooting for 50 years"?? Isn't that ANYBODY that's 60+ years old?

Some here appear to have huge technical knowledge. I learn from that.
But I want them to be able to connect the dots for me as well.
Personally I listen more when I know a guy can shoot and has demonstrated that ability. For me it gives them credentials! Others, I completely skip what they say! No credentials!!

Am I the only one? Am I the odd one here for wanting to take my advice from a guy/gal that has a proven portfolio?

What are YOUR thoughts on this?
What puts teeth into someone's advice more than someone else's, for you, or will you just listen to anybody?!

Nothing confrontational here, just posing the question?!?! ;-)
SS
I do it with everybody I don't recognize or is new... (show quote)


Obviously you do not include yourself! You are well known here for being outspoken in favour of Canon cameras, condemning as trash nearly all others. Even if your portfolio were the equal of every master who lived, it could not add credibility to that ludicrous babble!

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Jul 3, 2015 09:14:47   #
Chuck_893 Loc: Lincoln, Nebraska, USA
 
SharpShooter wrote:
I do it with everybody I don't recognize or is new, especially when they come on here say they are/were Pros!!
Does it help you when they qualify it with, "I've been shooting for 50 years"?? Isn't that ANYBODY that's 60+ years old?

Some here appear to have huge technical knowledge. I learn from that.
But I want them to be able to connect the dots for me as well.
Personally I listen more when I know a guy can shoot and has demonstrated that ability. For me it gives them credentials! Others, I completely skip what they say! No credentials!! Agree up to a point; there are some solid folks here who show no pictures, but I can tell from what they write that they know what they're talking about.

Am I the only one? Am I the odd one here for wanting to take my advice from a guy/gal that has a proven portfolio?

What are YOUR thoughts on this?
What puts teeth into someone's advice more than someone else's, for you, or will you just listen to anybody?!

Nothing confrontational here, just posing the question?!?! ;-)
SS
I do it with everybody I don't recognize or is new... (show quote)
Pierre H.J. Dumais wrote:
I ignore and never reply in a thread or PM:-

1. Those who are rude, impolite and lack courtesy by hijacking etc. They are, to me, obviously bullies I really dislike bullies! :hunf:
2. Those whose negative comments are petty personal preferences no matter how they are written up. e.g. Don't like the frame if there is one, the image should be darker, or, brighter etc. etc. etc.
3. Those who write volumes of verbiage, call them pedantic windbags. Uh oh...that could be me... :oops:
4. Those who are intolerant of attempts at breaking new ground or experimenting.
5. Those who seldom post an image. They also believe that sharing an image makes it fair game for criticism. Sharing is obviously not important to these self styled and uninvited critics.
6. Those who believe they are 'teachers' because they criticize.

OddJobber has got it right, in my opinion.
I ignore and never reply in a thread or PM:- br b... (show quote)
I check, especially when a poster seems to be behaving badly. I wanna know, "What makes you so mouthy, pal?" :mrgreen: But there are some folks who seem to be genuinely knowledgeable that also post no credentials. Are they all hat, no cattle? You maybe have to play "lawyer" a little bit: "Never ask a question to which you do not already know the answer." Not literally, just reading somebody's posts on a subject you know something about and finding yourself nodding agreement (or not).

What I worry about a little bit is the brand new user who walks in and steps on a mine, innocently asks the "wrong" question that happens to be some regular's pet peeve (happened to me). That aside, I do like to see some credentials. I've been here long enough to have a sense of who's who, who has pretty good advice and who has, um, less... :) , but I like to see a little work. I added a link to some of my Flickr stuff right away to establish my own "cred." I really was a working professional for most of 30 years, but I have never said I was great or high-end (we went out of business after all :cry: ). I do want people to see my stuff so you know I can actually produce. It ain't art, but it's competent.

Pierre, I am guilty of running off at the mouth...um, keyboard. :D I write too much and I know it, but I also don't want to be misunderstood. I use a lot of adjectives and adverbs to modify and soften; I never want to sound mean or abrupt. :) I use a lot of emoticons too, for the same reason.

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Jul 3, 2015 09:20:34   #
Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
 
SharpShooter wrote:
Fly, hey, it's all good!
Sometimes I kick sand in a guys face and they kick sand back, it's only natural!!
Usually by the time a thread dies, I've completely forgotten who it was. As long as it doesn't get too ugly, admin won't even see it!! :lol:
BUT, this IS a photography forum and mostly we talk about gear, gear, gear, Ford and Chevys...., and eventually, somebody always has to drive up in a Gremlin!!! :lol: :lol:
SS

Or perhaps it's just someone who insists that we look at reality, rather than the fantasy you were dreaming about. Simple logic, rather than wonderful emotions.

Ask what people like about a picture, and the answers are very reasonably made up mostly of emotional responses. But in fact there have been a number of very good rational and logical studies of "what people like about a picture"! (See Rudolf Arnheim, 1904-2007.) There is room for both logical and emotional discussion about any art.

But ask people about equipment, and unfortunately the same is true. Most of the answers are about emotions. And the most significant is pride of ownership, "I own it, so you will like it." It's effective discussion, unfortunately. Logical discussion of equipment based of pure factual information is vastly more important, but is not as common as it should be.

As for judging individuals... anyone that responds to contradictory opinion (or worse yet to contradictory facts) with gratuitous personal insults instantly becomes less than credible for any opinion, about any subject. Fabricating insults (or kicking sand if you wish) to get back at someone who refutes your precious emotions, is damning.

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Jul 3, 2015 09:38:48   #
Rich1939 Loc: Pike County Penna.
 
I have a relevant question. Were I to want to view a posters images, how do I go about it?

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