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Jun 12, 2015 18:08:42   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
OldDoc wrote:
I've been away for a few days, so have fallen behind on this thread, but I felt that Rac's statement, above, needed factual rebuttal.

Your error, Rac, lies in your not understanding biological systematics. When we say that coelocanths are an extinct organism, the statement is based on the failure to find any members of the coelocanthiformes, which is a group of transitional species between fish and tetrapods. Notice, please, the plural of species in the previous sentence. There are at least 14 species of coelocanths (coelocanthiformes)known, but there are only 2 surviving today. The others went extinct. We do not find samples of the extant species in the fossil record, meaning that they might have made their appearance relatively recently as the group changed over many missions of years, that is, they evolved.

Your comments about Tiktalik also warrant rebuttal. Your assertions are made up of holed-cloth that you (or someone you choose to believe) have fabricated. There has been no scientific rebuttal of the putative role of Tiktalik as an example of a transitional form, and saying so is simply not true. If I have somehow missed scientific reports of this "fact" in my 40 years of teaching about evolution, please send me the references and I'll be glad to reconsider my opinion.

I don't expect you to change your mind in response to my comments - you are too deeply committed to a non-scientific world-view, and choose to believe non-scientists such as Kent Hovind over data and evidence. However, if your wild claims are allowed to remain unrebutted, others with more open minds might conclude that you are correct when, in fact, you are not.
I've been away for a few days, so have fallen behi... (show quote)

Absolutely wrong, there are many examples of species that were considered extinct for hundreds of millions of years only to be proven wrong. These species have very little to NO evolutionary changes at all which flies in the face of Darwinian evolution. I posted many examples of living fossils, you just happen to reject that due to you presuposition to Darwinian evolution.

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Jun 12, 2015 18:11:58   #
slocumeddie Loc: Inside your head, again
 
Racmanaz wrote:
Why do evilutionists deny we evolved from chimps or apes then try to convince is that humans are 99.6% genetically similar to chimps??? Lol
No Rac.....99.6% describes the percentage of real scientists who accept evolution as valid !!!

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Jun 12, 2015 18:20:03   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
slocumeddie wrote:
No Rac.....99.6% describes the percentage of real scientists who accept evolution as valid !!!


Lol wrong

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Jun 12, 2015 18:20:42   #
James Shaw
 
Racmanaz wrote:
Why do evilutionists deny we evolved from chimps or apes then try to convince is that humans are 99.6% genetically similar to chimps??? Lol


With your background you wouldn't have a clue to understanding what is, as you spend all of you time trying to spread "what isn't." You have been told again and again, but your mind is closed by ID worship. Please read this:

"The international sequencing effort led from Max Planck chose a bonobo named Ulindi from the Leipzig Zoo as its subject, partly because she was a female (the chimp genome was of a male). The analysis of Ulindi's complete genome, reported online today in Nature, reveals that bonobos and chimpanzees share 99.6% of their DNA. This confirms that these two species of African apes are still highly similar to each other genetically, even though their populations split apart in Africa about 1 million years ago, perhaps after the Congo River formed and divided an ancestral population into two groups. Today, bonobos are found in only the Democratic Republic of Congo and there is no evidence that they have interbred with chimpanzees in equatorial Africa since they diverged, perhaps because the Congo River acted as a barrier to prevent the groups from mixing. The researchers also found that bonobos share about 98.7% of their DNA with humans—about the same amount that chimps share with us."
http://news.sciencemag.org/plants-animals/2012/06/bonobos-join-chimps-closest-human-relatives

AAAS by the way is the American Association for the Advancement of Science, not an ID pushing site.

You are pathetic Rac, and it is getting worse. Knowledge surrounds you, but you refuse to look. Instead, you choose to remain stuck in your quagmire of ignorance, and not even God will pull you out. Free-will huh Rac?

If this confuses you, then ask Bangee and your other cohorts, like ID, to give you the "real" truth.

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Jun 12, 2015 18:26:55   #
James Shaw
 
Racmanaz wrote:
Absolutely wrong, there are many examples of species that were considered extinct for hundreds of millions of years only to be proven wrong. These species have very little to NO evolutionary changes at all which flies in the face of Darwinian evolution. I posted many examples of living fossils, you just happen to reject that due to you presuposition to Darwinian evolution.


You are wrong but once again, Rac, and you continue to turn a blind side to reason.

How many new recruits today, Rac? Are they running to your side? Probably too embarrassed by your ignorance and intentional self-deception, but probably they feel sorry for you, anyway? That should make you feel better?

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Jun 12, 2015 19:52:12   #
silver Loc: Santa Monica Ca.
 
Bangee5 wrote:
How can anyone take you serious when you behave so childish? How can anything that I don't believe in hurt me? It is not unintelligent design - Intelligent Design. Your behavior is that of a little boy who wants attention.


Sorry but he whole idea is completely unintelligent, just unintelligent.

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Jun 12, 2015 20:00:47   #
James Shaw
 
Quote:
slocumeddie wrote:
Bang.....YES

Evolved from chimps....NO

You expose your complete lack of any understanding of the subject(evolution)
Racmanaz wrote:
We can't keep up with the evolutionists theories, they keep changing because they are always wrong lol.


No Rac, you are confused. Theories are theories and you don't understand. And you have not stayed up with "what is." You are too busy pushing "what isn't" and you do not understand what science is all about.

Overwhelming scientific evidence supports evolution and has since Darwin published his first book on the subject in 1859. You have a lot of scientific reading to do Rac.

Your push to discredit evolution is utter foolishness and ill fated, and it makes you look like a damned fool. You misuse and abuse science. I suppose because you think it discredits the Bible? Get over it Rac. What is, is. You can still believe in God.

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Jun 12, 2015 20:06:19   #
James Shaw
 
Quote:
silver wrote:
Here is the word rac. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4r2J6Y5AqE
Bangee5 wrote:
Why are you peddling that video? It proves nothing. Just Christian bashing at it's worse.


No, Bangee, it is not bashing. Many educated, highly educated, individuals from various disciplines of science support what is said in that video, and the courts in America have investigated and agree. ID is superstition and cannot be supported by science and is forbidden to be taught in schools. Listen carefully to the video.

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Jun 12, 2015 20:10:06   #
James Shaw
 
Quote:
slocumeddie wrote:
No Rac.....99.6% describes the percentage of real scientists who accept evolution as valid !!!
Racmanaz wrote:
Lol wrong


You are the one who is wrong Rac. Wake up to the real world.

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Jun 12, 2015 20:15:44   #
James Shaw
 
Quote:
nakkh wrote:
" if I were claiming that the Easter Bunny was real or the Tooth Fairy was real you wouldn't be fighting so hard you would just ignore me"

What's the difference between the easter bunny, the tooth fairy, Santa Clause & your beliefs? Nothing. They are all equally false.
Bangee5 wrote:
And you still celebrate Christmas and took the kids Easter egg hunting and gave them a quarter for losing a tooth. What's the differences? Nothing... you still celebrated what you didn't believe in because you didn't want the kids to be left out.

Your faith was not real and strong enough to believe in God but yet you can believe the universe came into being with a bang and that man had evolved from chimps.

Yeah, right!


Faith and belief in the big bang theory are in different realms and have nothing to do with each other. You are sounding like Rac, who consistently and falsely attempts to equate science with superstition. They are separate realms that do not intertwine. To attempt to do so, shows absolute foolishness.

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Jun 12, 2015 20:24:23   #
James Shaw
 
Quote:
nakkh wrote:
" if I were claiming that the Easter Bunny was real or the Tooth Fairy was real you wouldn't be fighting so hard you would just ignore me"

What's the difference between the easter bunny, the tooth fairy, Santa Clause & your beliefs? Nothing. They are all equally false.
Bangee5 wrote:
And you still celebrate Christmas and took the kids Easter egg hunting and gave them a quarter for losing a tooth. What's the differences? Nothing... you still celebrated what you didn't believe in because you didn't want the kids to be left out.

Your faith was not real and strong enough to believe in God but yet you can believe the universe came into being with a bang and that man had evolved from chimps.

Yeah, right!

And many continue to celebrate Halloween, Bangee, but parents know the difference between paganism and fun for their kids.

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Jun 12, 2015 20:35:55   #
James Shaw
 
Quote:
silver wrote:
The truth hurts, doesn't it? The video doesnt bash anybody, it just shows how ridiculous the theory of unintelligent design really is.
Bangee5 wrote:
How can anyone take you serious when you behave so childish? How can anything that I don't believe in hurt me? It is not unintelligent design - Intelligent Design. Your behavior is that of a little boy who wants attention.


Your words Bangee: "How can anything that I don't believe in hurt me?"

Consider what would happen if you did not believe in God. Wouldn't that non-belief have an affect on whether you go to heaven or the "hot place" when you become garden soil. Wouldn't that hurt you? lol

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Jun 12, 2015 21:00:58   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
away for a few days, so have fallen behind on this thread, but I felt that Rac's statement, above, needed factual rebuttal.

Your error, Rac, lies in your not understanding biological systematics. When we say that coelocanths are an extinct organism, the statement is based on the failure to find any members of the coelocanthiformes, which is a group of transitional species between fish and tetrapods. Notice, please, the plural of species in the previous sentence. There are at least 14 species of coelocanths (coelocanthiformes)known, but there are only 2 surviving today. The others went extinct. We do not find samples of the extant species in the fossil record, meaning that they might have made their appearance relatively recently as the group changed over many missions of years, that is, they evolved.

Your comments about Tiktalik also warrant rebuttal. Your assertions are made up of holed-cloth that you (or someone you choose to believe) have fabricated. There has been no scientific rebuttal of the putative role of Tiktalik as an example of a transitional form, and saying so is simply not true. If I have somehow missed scientific reports of this "fact" in my 40 years of teaching about evolution, please send me the references and I'll be glad to reconsider my opinion.

I don't expect you to change your mind in response to my comments - you are too deeply committed to a non-scientific world-view, and choose to believe non-scientists such as Kent Hovind over data and evidence. However, if your wild claims are allowed to remain unrebutted, others with more open minds might conclude that you are correct when, in fact, you are not.[/quote]

The fact the you said " "fact" in my 40 years of teaching about evolution, please send me the references and I'll be glad to reconsider my opinion." Shows you have the strong presuposition to naturalism and therefore will turn a blind eye to any other plausible theory that challenges the Darwinian evolution religion.

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Jun 12, 2015 21:03:38   #
Bangee5 Loc: Louisiana
 
silver wrote:
Sorry but he whole idea is completely unintelligent, just unintelligent.


Yes, sadly like you, unintelligent.

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Jun 12, 2015 21:09:55   #
OldDoc Loc: New York
 
Racmanaz wrote:
Why do evilutionists deny we evolved from chimps or apes then try to convince is that humans are 99.6% genetically similar to chimps??? Lol

"evilutionists" deny that we are evolved from chimps for the same reason that geneticists deny that you are descended from your cousin when the truth is that you share many familial traits because you and your cousin are descended from some common ancestor, your grandparents.

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