Do we still need HDR
Jun 4, 2015 05:53:25 #
andrew.haysom
Loc: Melbourne, Australia
Billyspad wrote:
hya Andrew my man. Glad you could call by. I just got bored with HDR I think so tried the filter way and hey its easy peasy and looks the same!
By the way have you heard anything from Peter (Conkerwood) lately He dissapeared and I do not have his email.
By the way have you heard anything from Peter (Conkerwood) lately He dissapeared and I do not have his email.
No I haven't heard from Peter for ages, haven't seen him posting for a couple of months at least, shame his comments and critiques were awesomely helpful.
Jun 4, 2015 06:19:03 #
SonyA580 wrote:
Here's the "straight" shot with one manipulation in Photoshop. I used IMAGE - ADJUSTMENTS - EQUALIZE. Nothing else.
I agree with you, the filters are just as good and much easier to use. So you make a very nice case here. Thanks for the post as I learned something new.
Jun 4, 2015 08:35:54 #
Jun 4, 2015 10:35:11 #
Billyspad wrote:
It was 10 years ago when I started doing HDR and s... (show quote)
Billy, my friend, you and I have had this conversation before. In a way, you've just backed up my side of it. I could, more than likely, produce the same image as you last one here without much more than just adjustments.
Cheers, mate,
--Bob
Jun 4, 2015 10:43:23 #
HDR does nothing for me if the exposure range of a scene is withing the capability of my cameras. Is there detail in the shadows and highlights?
If the exposure range exceeds the capability of the camera, then multiple exposures can add detail where it can't be captured with a single image.
A personal favorite is I took inside an old lighthouse. The interior had enough light to capture the detail in some old woodwork and wallpaper. In the image is an old window with it's aged framing. Outside the window, in bright sunlight is the ocean. A single exposure has enough range for either the interior of the room or the ocean view but not both.
The HDR process yield a print with detail in the dark woodwork and detail in the surf. Using HDR for "normal" scenes is a waste of time.
FWIW the newest Lightroom has built in HDR process that leaves out the color cooking. It also can align handheld shots. On a recent trip that included an interior of an ancient church I shot six panoramic sets of 5 bracketed exposures handheld. Lightroom aligned and combined the HDR bracketed sets and stitched the pano together.
I'm far from leaving HDR behind. Lightroom makes it so useful for extreme exposure range scenes, I "need" it more than ever.
If the exposure range exceeds the capability of the camera, then multiple exposures can add detail where it can't be captured with a single image.
A personal favorite is I took inside an old lighthouse. The interior had enough light to capture the detail in some old woodwork and wallpaper. In the image is an old window with it's aged framing. Outside the window, in bright sunlight is the ocean. A single exposure has enough range for either the interior of the room or the ocean view but not both.
The HDR process yield a print with detail in the dark woodwork and detail in the surf. Using HDR for "normal" scenes is a waste of time.
FWIW the newest Lightroom has built in HDR process that leaves out the color cooking. It also can align handheld shots. On a recent trip that included an interior of an ancient church I shot six panoramic sets of 5 bracketed exposures handheld. Lightroom aligned and combined the HDR bracketed sets and stitched the pano together.
I'm far from leaving HDR behind. Lightroom makes it so useful for extreme exposure range scenes, I "need" it more than ever.
Jun 4, 2015 15:02:38 #
TheDman
Loc: USA
Billyspad wrote:
So ya want me to do it on another picture? br If ... (show quote)
HDR has never been necessary on shots that already contain the entire dynamic range of the scene. This is one of those instances. Running this shot through an HDR program is simply processing for a certain look. It doesn't bring out any more detail than regular curves/levels in PS could bring out.
Frankly, if you're not going for the Photomatix crunchy grunge look, I've always thought manually blending exposures in Photoshop was a far better method anyway. No noise, more realistic.
Jun 4, 2015 20:01:59 #
rmalarz wrote:
Billy, my friend, you and I have had this conversation before. In a way, you've just backed up my side of it. I could, more than likely, produce the same image as you last one here without much more than just adjustments.
Cheers, mate,
--Bob
Cheers, mate,
--Bob
I know your a convert to the true way forward Bob. Just trying to educate the masses to go and buy Nik or Topaz and not waste their cash on Photomatix unless they want the real grungy look
Jun 4, 2015 20:08:41 #
bsprague wrote:
HDR does nothing for me if the exposure range of a... (show quote)
Photoshop has contained the merging process now available in LR for years my man and I have used it frequently.
I think we agree that bracketing does all that HDR software does with less hassle? But its not HDR is it? HDR involves tone mapping via software in most peoples minds. Its the tone mapping that I feel is probably redundant now unless you want extreme effects.
And if you have all these examples fella why not show a few on the Hog huh. Proof of the pudding in in the picture. Its a photo site after all.
Jun 4, 2015 20:11:39 #
I shot a few covered bridges, With HDR i can also see inside the dark bridge, Ive tried editing regular pics to see inside the bridge but it just didnt come out as well as HDR.
Though, if I knew what I was doing, maybe it would have come out better . It could be that I still dont have the skill sets.
Though, if I knew what I was doing, maybe it would have come out better . It could be that I still dont have the skill sets.
Jun 4, 2015 20:13:56 #
TheDman wrote:
HDR has i never /i been necessary on shots that ... (show quote)
Im in your camp my man but will still use Photomatix for extreme grungy HDR
Jun 4, 2015 20:20:11 #
bdk wrote:
I shot a few covered bridges, With HDR i can also see inside the dark bridge, Ive tried editing regular pics to see inside the bridge but it just didnt come out as well as HDR.
Though, if I knew what I was doing, maybe it would have come out better . It could be that I still dont have the skill sets.
Though, if I knew what I was doing, maybe it would have come out better . It could be that I still dont have the skill sets.
Your HDR program will merge your images and give you the option to save them BEFORE tone mapping. Do that and save them as a Tiff. This contain all the information from the light and dark areas and can be opened in Camera Raw and then into photoshop or LR. All your details will be there but with with no extremes caused by tone mapping.
Jun 4, 2015 20:22:11 #
bdk wrote:
I shot a few covered bridges, With HDR i can also see inside the dark bridge, Ive tried editing regular pics to see inside the bridge but it just didnt come out as well as HDR.
Though, if I knew what I was doing, maybe it would have come out better . It could be that I still dont have the skill sets.
Though, if I knew what I was doing, maybe it would have come out better . It could be that I still dont have the skill sets.
Your HDR program will merge your images and give you the option to save them BEFORE tone mapping. Do that and save them as a Tiff. This contain all the information from the light and dark areas and can be opened in Camera Raw and then into photoshop or LR. All your details will be there but with with no extremes caused by tone mapping.
Jun 4, 2015 20:22:36 #
bdk wrote:
I shot a few covered bridges, With HDR i can also see inside the dark bridge, Ive tried editing regular pics to see inside the bridge but it just didnt come out as well as HDR.
Though, if I knew what I was doing, maybe it would have come out better . It could be that I still dont have the skill sets.
Though, if I knew what I was doing, maybe it would have come out better . It could be that I still dont have the skill sets.
Your HDR program will merge your images and give you the option to save them BEFORE tone mapping. Do that and save them as a Tiff. This contain all the information from the light and dark areas and can be opened in Camera Raw and then into photoshop or LR. All your details will be there but with with no extremes caused by tone mapping.
Jun 4, 2015 20:55:38 #
Billyspad wrote:
If we were talking face to face, I would think that you're trying to start an argument. .... for years my man and ....And if you have all these examples fella why not show a few on the Hog huh.....
In my post on your thread, I mentioned two photos. The most recent, of the church, I shared on a thread I started here about two weeks ago.
Jun 4, 2015 21:19:30 #
I never start arguments my man. Outcome is never clear. Im more a headbutt sort of guy and stomp on the face and talk about the problem later lol. Arguing is certainly not my style too damn civilised!!!
I found your picture after looking again. It is indeed very nice so show a few more.
I found your picture after looking again. It is indeed very nice so show a few more.
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