Lightroom vs Photoshop Elements
May 25, 2015 21:42:43 #
mwsilvers wrote:
A real copy takes up space on a hard drive, a virt... (show quote)
Interesting! So, is it using a computer-based flash drive, or the cloud? I haven't had time to use the link you gave, so before I start asking questions that is most likely the place to start. Thank's for the info.
May 25, 2015 21:54:23 #
Lightroom leaves the original filed where it is but keeps a record of that location. When you edit in LR it stores the instructions for the edit in it's own files and links it to the original. So if you go to the edit in the history it keeps of the edits and click it calls up a copy of the original and adds the edits up to the point where you clicked on the history. The original is in one location, the edits in another.
That is why if you move files in any program other than LR it loses track of the original and can only give you a small degraded thumbnail of the photo along with the error message about not being able to find the image.
That is why some call them "virtual" copies. The whole copy doesn't exist anywhere. It is the record of the edit(s) linked to the original so when you click on it in LR it is reconstructed. If you want a copy of it in that version that is viewable in anything other than LR you need to export and save it in that other location.
That is why if you move files in any program other than LR it loses track of the original and can only give you a small degraded thumbnail of the photo along with the error message about not being able to find the image.
That is why some call them "virtual" copies. The whole copy doesn't exist anywhere. It is the record of the edit(s) linked to the original so when you click on it in LR it is reconstructed. If you want a copy of it in that version that is viewable in anything other than LR you need to export and save it in that other location.
May 25, 2015 22:37:01 #
mwsilvers
Loc: Central New Jersey
neilds37 wrote:
Interesting! So, is it using a computer-based flash drive, or the cloud? I haven't had time to use the link you gave, so before I start asking questions that is most likely the place to start. Thank's for the info.
The application allows you to create as many virtual copy of an image you'd like. It does exist anywhere except in the Lightroom catalog as a set of instructions. As with any "real" image file in Lightroom, you can export virtual images once you're happy with the adjustments you've made. In every respect it seems that you are looking at multiple copies of the file. You are not. You are looking at multiple sets of edits of the same file differentiated by overlay instructions. All edits are on the fly until you export a file to Tiff or JPEG. Its actually quite fascinating and hard to get your head around it until you actually see it in action.
May 25, 2015 22:38:47 #
May 26, 2015 01:40:39 #
robertjerl wrote:
Lightroom leaves the original filed where it is bu... (show quote)
Thank you for the complete, understandable explanation. Gives me a base idea for all these "virtual" items popping up. I caught on to what the freaking "cloud" was pretty easy, but "virtual" files has eluded me.
Old dogs, new tricks...
May 26, 2015 06:54:42 #
jeep_daddy wrote:
As far as the difference between LR and PSE: br PS... (show quote)
"MOST" Photographers "DO NOT" pay the outrageous $9.99/month to the bandits @ Adobe when they can own "Stand Alone" programs. Not "MOST"
May 26, 2015 07:33:56 #
Simple answer: LR processes raw images, much like chemicals developed film. LR also allows you to make the type of adjustments that were made by darkroom experts in film days, dodging, burning, exposure, saturation, etc.
PSE allows you to make fine corrections at the pixel level to remove or correct imperfections.
These 2 are different tools for different purposes.
PSE allows you to make fine corrections at the pixel level to remove or correct imperfections.
These 2 are different tools for different purposes.
May 26, 2015 07:37:34 #
Good information.
I teach Elements but do most of my editing in Camera Raw ( CS-6). I dont like the Elements Organizer but you can use the Downloader as a stand alone.
Like LIGHTROOM, Camera Raw is non distructive.
Lightroom' best strength's are batch processing and file organization. I find this most desirable for event & commercial shooters.
I've bee told that if you move files you can have difficulty finding them with Lightroom.
Cataloging files is my weak point. I have not found or developed a system that I like. I dont like renaming my original files. What I do works but could be better.....Bob
I teach Elements but do most of my editing in Camera Raw ( CS-6). I dont like the Elements Organizer but you can use the Downloader as a stand alone.
Like LIGHTROOM, Camera Raw is non distructive.
Lightroom' best strength's are batch processing and file organization. I find this most desirable for event & commercial shooters.
I've bee told that if you move files you can have difficulty finding them with Lightroom.
Cataloging files is my weak point. I have not found or developed a system that I like. I dont like renaming my original files. What I do works but could be better.....Bob
May 26, 2015 07:47:10 #
tomeveritt wrote:
"MOST" Photographers "DO NOT" pay the outrageous $9.99/month to the bandits @ Adobe when they can own "Stand Alone" programs. Not "MOST"
ADOBE :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown:
May 26, 2015 07:51:07 #
ADOBE :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown:
. . . has more problems than a dead dear has ticks!
. . . has more problems than a dead dear has ticks!
May 26, 2015 08:04:13 #
neilds37 wrote:
Simple question. What will Lightroom do that PSElements can't, that would justify the addition/switch-to Lightroom?
As far as processing, nothing. Just like comparing Lr to Ps, Lr is mostly a cataloging and organizing program. It has some easy to use processing features but nothing like the full set of Ps (that are not all that easy to use, but powerful). PSE is becoming more and more like Ps and so should not be snubbed except for really advanced manipulations. I use Ps CS6 daily and have tried out an older copy of PSE, version 9. It beats the sox off the ancient PSE 7 my computer came with. I may get PSE 13 for my wife's computer and keep Ps CS6 for my editing. AS long as I get ACR and a levels adjustment, I'm happy!
May 26, 2015 08:16:41 #
neilds37 wrote:
Simple question. What will Lightroom do that PSElements can't, that would justify the addition/switch-to Lightroom?
Pardon if I missed it, but I didn't see anything about the fact that Lightroom does not actually change your source images. Changes are only made to exported images. It saves only the modifications.
May 26, 2015 08:24:41 #
I Agree ACR is really the strength of Photoshop CS 6. The ACR in elements is a stripped down version but is still very good.
As for paying for subscription;
We are becoming a culture of renters which is OK as long as the money holds out. After spending a rental fee for 5 or 6 years and your circumstances change,you no longer will have a current editing program....... Just Saying.......Bob
As for paying for subscription;
We are becoming a culture of renters which is OK as long as the money holds out. After spending a rental fee for 5 or 6 years and your circumstances change,you no longer will have a current editing program....... Just Saying.......Bob
May 26, 2015 08:49:17 #
tomeveritt wrote:
"MOST" Photographers "DO NOT" pay the outrageous $9.99/month to the bandits @ Adobe when they can own "Stand Alone" programs. Not "MOST"
You're likely correct, considering the number of "photographers" in the world, but over 4 million folks (mostly professional photographers and graphics artists) consider the Creative Cloud a very, very good deal. I'm one of them.
May 26, 2015 08:51:05 #
mwsilvers
Loc: Central New Jersey
neilds37 wrote:
Thank you for the complete, understandable explanation. Gives me a base idea for all these "virtual" items popping up. I caught on to what the freaking "cloud" was pretty easy, but "virtual" files has eluded me.
Old dogs, new tricks...
Old dogs, new tricks...
What do you mean by "virtual items popping up". Virtual copies do not pop up. You explicitly create them. I think you may be confusing this concept with some other feature.
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