Nikon D lenses on "F" bodies (Page 2): Gene, Thank you for the specifics. I probably should have told all at the outset. I have a D5300 body accompanied by: Nikon DX AF-S Nikkor 35mm...

DaveyDitzer Loc: Western PA

Gene51 wrote:

As Don stated, AF-D no motor in the lens, AF-S has... (show quote)

Gene, Thank you for the specifics. I probably should have told all at the outset. I have a D5300 body accompanied by:
Nikon DX AF-S Nikkor 35mm 1:1.8 G
Nikon DX VR AF-S Nikkor18-55mm 1:3.5-5.6 G
Nikon DX AF-S Nikkor 50mm 1:1.8 G
Nikon DX VR AF-S Nikkor 18-140 mm 1:3.5-5.6 G
and a soon to arrive 55-300mm f4-5.6 which I presume to be the same set of specs.

According to the Nikon website, most of these should work on an F series body (the Df being one I have studied). If I follow your explanation correctly, all these have focusing motors. So I have to assume that if the Df or any other "pro series" full frame model has a focusing motor, it must override or work with the lens to achieve automatic focusing. I further assume that some of the higher weight of the Df, for example, has to come from integrating the focusing motor in the body.

BebuLamar

The focusing motor doesn't really account for a lot of weight I don't think. The AF-S lenses with built in motor would work with an FX body like the Df. The camera would use the motor in the lens the shaft that used to focus the lens will not extend and not being used. However what you're talking bout is not DX lenses vs FX lenses. A good number of FX lenses do have motor built in and also there are lenses that doesn't autofocus at all. DX and FX related to the size of the sensor and when using the DX lens on an FX camera (like if you use one of your lens on the Df) the camera would only use the center portion of the sensor and yield a very low MP image. It's not something you want to do that is don't buy the Df to use with your lenses although they will all autofocus on the Df.

sinatraman Loc: Vero Beach Florida, Earth,alpha quaudrant

Nikon F cameras are film CAMERAS f, F2 F3 UP TO F6. THEY are 35mm which is the equivalant to full frame or FX lenses for digital. dx lenses are designed for smaller sensors, thus are not appropriate to put on aany Nikon film camera. by the way if you have a full frame Nikon or plan on getting one, you can ssave money and get a lens that is full frame by buying used af and mf lenses from the film era. they may not be state of the art but they will do the job.

houdel Loc: Chase, Michigan USA

Dngallagher wrote:

G is "gelded" and has no aperture ring.... however D signifies the lens relays DISTANCE information to the camera and has nothing to do with the aperture ring.

Exactly correct. The distance chip was added to "D" series lenses to facilitate 3D Matrix focusing.

wingclui44 wrote:

A couple of Nikon D type lens has built in focus motor, the Nikon 300mm f4.0 D AF-s ED, the Nikon 400mmf2.8 D AF-s ED-IF I & II. I have the 300mm f4.0 D AF-s ED. All have aperture ring.

Also the AF-S 17-35mm f/2.8D, which is a "D" series lens with an aperture ring and a focus motor. AFAIK, all "G" series lenses have a built in focus motor. The "D" series is a mixed bag; all have an aperture ring, most do not have a focus motor although a few do, and then there is the AF 80-400mm f/4-5-5.6D which does not have a focus motor but does have VR....

wingclui44 Loc: CT USA

houdel wrote:

Also the AF-S 17-35mm f/2.8D, which is a "D" series lens with an aperture ring and a focus motor. AFAIK, all "G" series lenses have a built in focus motor. The "D" series is a mixed bag; all have an aperture ring, most do not have a focus motor although a few do, and then there is the AF 80-400mm f/4-5-5.6D which does not have a focus motor but does have VR....

Thank you for your information of the 17-35mm f2.8 D, I did't know it's a AFs. I will put this on my wish-list.
Personally, I like shooting with D type lens than G type, because all the D lenses have aperture ring which I prefer to use for changing aperture than using command wheel.

flip1948 Loc: Hamden, CT

wingclui44 wrote:

Thank you for your information of the 17-35mm f2.8 D, I did't know it's a AFs. I will put this on my wish-list.
Personally, I like shooting with D type lens than G type, because all the D lenses have aperture ring which I prefer to use for changing aperture than using command wheel.

All of the more modern Nikon cameras, including my Nikon F100 35mm film camera, require that you set the lens to the smallest aperture and use the command wheel to change aperture.

If you don't set the lens to the minimum aperture you will get an error code and the camera will not operate.

oldtigger Loc: Roanoke Virginia-USA

flip1948 wrote:

All of the more modern Nikon cameras, including my Nikon F100 35mm film camera, require that you set the lens to the smallest aperture and use the command wheel to change aperture....If you don't set the lens to the minimum aperture you will get an error code and the camera will not operate.

on some of the nikons you can turn them on with aperture set to minimum and then reset iris to where you want it and shoot.

Dngallagher Loc: Wilmington De.

flip1948 wrote:

All of the more modern Nikon cameras, including my Nikon F100 35mm film camera, require that you set the lens to the smallest aperture and use the command wheel to change aperture.

If you don't set the lens to the minimum aperture you will get an error code and the camera will not operate.

On my D7100, I can lock aperture ring to smallest then set control of aperture to sub command dial, or set the control of aperture to aperture ring and use the aperture ring to set the aperture.

houdel Loc: Chase, Michigan USA

Dngallagher wrote:

On my D7100, I can .... set the control of aperture to aperture ring and use the aperture ring to set the aperture.

Interesting. I did not notice that option on my D3X or D610. I don't see the need as the sub-command dial seems easier to use and gives me 1/3 stop control, unless this feature is useful for manual lenses. I wasn't aware that Nikon digital bodies had provision mechanical control of aperture, but I do see a link in the lens opening of my bodies which makes it appear they could perform that function.

wingclui44 Loc: CT USA

flip1948 wrote:

All of the more modern Nikon cameras, including my Nikon F100 35mm film camera, require that you set the lens to the smallest aperture and use the command wheel to change aperture.

If you don't set the lens to the minimum aperture you will get an error code and the camera will not operate.

Thank you! I know this feature of "minimum aperture"setting already, because all my AF lenses are D lens using on my D200. The lens must be set at the minimum aperture and locked, otherwise it won't fire and gets an "Err". Something is different now, my Df can be programmed to use the aperture ring on any AF-D lens to change the aperture. It disable the using of the sub-command dial, it won't be an "Err".

Dngallagher Loc: Wilmington De.

houdel wrote:

Interesting. I did not notice that option on my D3X or D610. I don't see the need as the sub-command dial seems easier to use and gives me 1/3 stop control, unless this feature is useful for manual lenses. I wasn't aware that Nikon digital bodies had provision mechanical control of aperture, but I do see a link in the lens opening of my bodies which makes it appear they could perform that function.

I never noticed the setting myself, until one day using a lens with an aperture ring that suddenly started throwing a FEE error.

I had been using it for some time making use of the aperture ring and it worked fine then one day it kept FEE'ing.

I then set the ring to f/22 and FEE went away - I then was going thru my menu's and low and behold found the setting that sets either aperture ring or sub command dial. Under customize command dials->aperture ring

I prefer the sub command dial as opposed to setting the aperture ring, on my macro the ring is tough for my fingers to get to to turn it, so the sub command dial makes it easy.

BebuLamar

Normally most cameras would display FEE if the lens aperture isn't set at minimum aperture but most would have a custom setting where you can use the aperture ring to set the aperture with lenses that do have the aperture ring.

Dngallagher Loc: Wilmington De.

BebuLamar wrote:

Normally most cameras would display FEE is the lens aperture isn't set at minimum aperture but most would have a custom setting where you can use the aperture ring to set the aperture with lenses that do have the aperture ring.

Clarification: (at least on my Nikon D7100 & Assuming a chipped lens)

If a lens has an aperture ring AND the aperture control is set to APERTURE RING then FEE is not displayed and aperture is set by using the aperture ring on the lens.

If a lens has an aperture ring AND the aperture control is set to SUB COMMAND DIAL, then the lens aperture ring must be set to it's highest setting, f/22, and then the aperture is controlled by the SUB COMMAND DIAL or the camera will display FEE in all modes.