Does Science Argue for or against God?
Apr 25, 2015 13:39:16 #
steve40 wrote:
Getting into a discussion of Predestination, Savin... (show quote)
Perhaps "the real facts" do not agree with you either?
I try to avoid using the term, "facts" as facts to one are not necessarily facts to another.
Apr 25, 2015 13:46:52 #
Pepper wrote:
There are very, very few members here that I am uncivil toward three or four at the most. I try to be civil and genuine even with those liberals who have differing opinions than me. I am perfectly content to allow the members here to decide for themselves who does and does not have "character". I too have had enough of James and his hypocrisy.
BTW: He just tossed out another piece of bait for you.
BTW: He just tossed out another piece of bait for you.
Dead bait - nothing fresh when it comes to James. I try to be civil as well and skip the name calling. When it comes to James it is hard to hold back.
Apr 25, 2015 13:50:36 #
PrairieSeasons wrote:
You may participate or not as you see fit.
I came across this... in the process of reading it.
http://www.graceonlinelibrary.org/reformed-theology/arminianism/calvinism-vs-arminianism-comparison-chart/
could be bias.
Apr 25, 2015 13:55:02 #
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Pepper wrote:
There are very, very few members here that I am uncivil toward three or four at the most. I try to be civil and genuine even with those liberals who have differing opinions than me. I am perfectly content to allow the members here to decide for themselves who does and does not have "character". I too have had enough of James and his hypocrisy.
BTW: He just tossed out another piece of bait for you.
There are very, very few members here that I am uncivil toward three or four at the most. I try to be civil and genuine even with those liberals who have differing opinions than me. I am perfectly content to allow the members here to decide for themselves who does and does not have "character". I too have had enough of James and his hypocrisy.
BTW: He just tossed out another piece of bait for you.
Bangee5 wrote:
Dead bait - nothing fresh when it comes to James. I try to be civil as well and skip the name calling. When it comes to James it is hard to hold back.
But Bangee, it is not name-calling that identifies you; it is the "if you do not believe as I believe then surly you are going to hell." I have heard that so many times from you and names as well. That may be civil in your mind but not in my mind.
You don't see yourself as you really are, only what your pretend to be in your own mind. You are not fooling anyone, well, with the exception of yourself, perhaps.
And don't "hold back," as I am in no way offended by what you say to me. Let it out, and feel the calm that comes your way, if that is possible for you.
Apr 25, 2015 14:12:58 #
Bangee5 wrote:
I came across this... in the process of reading it.
http://www.graceonlinelibrary.org/reformed-theology/arminianism/calvinism-vs-arminianism-comparison-chart/
could be bias.
http://www.graceonlinelibrary.org/reformed-theology/arminianism/calvinism-vs-arminianism-comparison-chart/
could be bias.
Hmmmm . I don't have time to read it now, but expect it to lean towards Calvinism (not free will, saints saved forever) because of the byline attributing it to the Reformed and Puritan beliefs. If you want to read the other side, look for blogs or books authored by John Wesley or someone who attributes his theological origins to Wesley.
Some denominations - Presbyterian and Reformed for example - are relatively purely Calvinist.
Others - Methodist for example - are relatively purely Arminian (free will, possibility of losing salvation).
Still others - Evangelical Free for example - say "we don't know".
The Baptists are a more confusing bunch, and you would need to seek out the theological beliefs of a specific denomination, congregation.
Apr 25, 2015 16:53:54 #
steve40 wrote:
If those words were actually 'inspired' by a god they might have some relevance.Getting into a discussion of Predestination, Savin... (show quote)
Apr 25, 2015 17:27:40 #
Racmanaz
Loc: Sunny Tucson!
Another design by God's hands. No not a depiction of a Liberal or Conservative :)
Apr 25, 2015 17:37:14 #
Bangee5 wrote:
Yes, Jesus died but He is still in charge because He lives. Good for me. He lives for you too!
Good of you to post that rejoinder!! :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
Apr 25, 2015 18:22:46 #
HEART wrote:
Good of you to post that rejoinder!! :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
Isn't that the fullness of the Gospel? That Jesus died yet He lives, the hope of all mankind. Sadly so few will chose the path of redemption, thinking themselves wise in their own eyes yet fools in the eyes of God.
You know that Bill Gaither song, Because He Lives...
Because He lives, I can face tomorrow,
Because He lives, all fear is gone;
Because I know He holds the future,
And life is worth the living,
Just because He lives!
http://www.lyricsmode.com/lyrics/b/bill_gaither/because_he_lives.html
Apr 25, 2015 18:33:34 #
PrairieSeasons wrote:
Hmmmm . I don't have time to read it now, but exp... (show quote)
You might say that we Baptist are a little Calvinist and a little more Arminian. I heard my pastor say one day that he did not believe in predestination that the only person to be predestine in the Bible was Jesus Christ. I have never given predestination much thought until another member of UHH had brought it to my attention on facebook. Since I am saved by the grace of God through Jesus Christ and as Hilary would say - at this point in time what does it matter? As I have said, once saved - always saved. That is my belief.
BTW; not all Baptist are confused. We just wake up confused.
Apr 25, 2015 19:34:57 #
Racmanaz wrote:
Another design by God's hands. No not a depiction of a Liberal or Conservative :)
A most beautiful creature and picture Racemanaz, but it is Evolution's hand at work. I base this on extensive study, not superstition:
http://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/current-exhibitions/the-butterfly-conservatory/evolution
Also Evolution at Work (below), as is my Firewheel (Prairie Blanket) Avatar
Apr 25, 2015 19:35:19 #
Bangee5 wrote:
I came across this... in the process of reading it.
http://www.graceonlinelibrary.org/reformed-theology/arminianism/calvinism-vs-arminianism-comparison-chart/
could be bias.
http://www.graceonlinelibrary.org/reformed-theology/arminianism/calvinism-vs-arminianism-comparison-chart/
could be bias.
I could have commented on the Arminius, and Calvinist doctrines. But at that point, I was not ready. Arminianism Is a doctrine of man, what is called Calvinism is not. In the first place Calvin got the credit wrongly, for what Paul had already taught, and the Scriptures teach.
Ask a Primitive Baptist, if he is Calvinist, he will quickly tell you no. He just follows the teachings of Scripture. There are no more staunch participants in the doctrine of Election on this Earth.
So heavily accepting they are, some do not even think the need to preach the Gospel is necessary. Believing at some point in time, God will save those he has chosen regardless. :)
Apr 25, 2015 19:37:47 #
Bangee5 wrote:
Isn't that the fullness of the Gospel? That Jesus ... (show quote)
As it was man who wrote the Bible; it was man who wrote those words. Amazing Grace lyrics is another beauty that I like very much, whose words were inspired by a man who was involved in the shipping of slaves.
Some who are not superstitious have no problem with "facing tomorrow." Christ was a great man, and I shall leave it at that.
Apr 25, 2015 19:53:56 #
Bangee5 wrote:
You might say that we Baptist are a little Calvini... (show quote)
No problem. I did not mean to say that Baptists were confused, but rather than Baptists are confusing to the person trying to categorize their doctrine. While neither will say it in so many words, the Southern Baptists (and others) follow/believe Calvin's doctrine and the American Baptists (and others) follow/believe Arminius' doctrine.
Apr 25, 2015 20:38:16 #
Chuy
Loc: OUT OF TOWN
Bangee5 wrote:
Only God knows who He has called and who He has called, He called to repentance through Jesus Christ. If I continue in sin then I am not of God's Kingdom. If I deny Christ then I was never saved.
What is sin?
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