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user47602 wrote:
..and no difference between Muslims and Christians besides their beliefs.
Bangee5 wrote:
That is so true... no difference between any of us except for our own personal convictions, what makes each of us individuals. We are born and in the end, we die. Both the genius and the moron go to the grave, both are the same in death.
And when you die both Muslims and Christians end up in the same place. It's called garden soil. Believe as you will.
steve40 wrote:
No, actually God does not!, expect you can do these 10 things. These reveal Gods righteous requirements, from his creation. This is why he sent his Son, to fulfill these for us. And to take the punishment we were due, so we could attain his righteousness by faith in his sacrifice.
On the cross he was made to pay for, and bear all of our Sin, and impute his righteousness to those who believe.
So much more than just being forgiven our sin by the shedding of his blood, we are saved by his life. :thumbup:
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Steve, I respect your zealousness. It would, however, in posting such a comment that your greeting would be
I believe.... I believe you
implied that when you posted. It should be obvious to readers but it comes off as an arrogant statement which might not be the case. This applies to all of us. To come off as
knowing something that is not possible to
know is, well, silly. Rac and Rix have the same approach. Televangelist's claims that they
know make them incredible, to me anyway.
I don't believe in the Christian/Judeo concept of what god is, what happens after we die, etc. but I never claim emphatically that their (your) beliefs are untrue although I
believe them to be with some certainty. I don't
know, you don't
know. I never claim there is no god (supreme being) but that I
believe there is not. If theists and non-theists alike admitted that what they believe is just that then much of the ridicule on both sides of the argument could be avoided.
user47602 wrote:
Maybe rock souls evolve into people souls, eventually or visa versa.
Maybe every time someone dies, a new big bang happens to create a new universe.
Maybe souls merge into oversouls... you know the reality is way cooler than anything we can imagine, :mrgreen:
lol Insoles would be a concept I could stand on.
magicray wrote:
Steve, I respect your zealousness. It would, however, in posting such a comment that your greeting would be I believe.... I believe you implied that when you posted. It should be obvious to readers but it comes off as an arrogant statement which might not be the case. This applies to all of us. To come off as knowing something that is not possible to know is, well, silly. Rac and Rix have the same approach. Televangelist's claims that they know make them incredible, to me anyway.
I don't believe in the Christian/Judeo concept of what god is, what happens after we die, etc. but I never claim emphatically that their (your) beliefs are untrue although I believe them to be with some certainty. I don't know, you don't know. I never claim there is no god (supreme being) but that I believe there is not. If theists and non-theists alike admitted that what they believe is just that then much of the ridicule on both sides of the argument could be avoided.
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I like your attitude. Also I get winded when watching your Avatar!
magicray wrote:
Steve, I respect your zealousness. It would, however, in posting such a comment that your greeting would be I believe.... I believe you implied that when you posted. It should be obvious to readers but it comes off as an arrogant statement which might not be the case. This applies to all of us. To come off as knowing something that is not possible to know is, well, silly. Rac and Rix have the same approach. Televangelist's claims that they know make them incredible, to me anyway.
I don't believe in the Christian/Judeo concept of what god is, what happens after we die, etc. but I never claim emphatically that their (your) beliefs are untrue although I believe them to be with some certainty. I don't know, you don't know. I never claim there is no god (supreme being) but that I believe there is not. If theists and non-theists alike admitted that what they believe is just that then much of the ridicule on both sides of the argument could be avoided.
Steve, I respect your zealousness. It would, howev... (
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I
believe that the God of the Jews exist. I
believe that He exist so strongly that I put my trust in Him and I worship Him as I would my father. I
believe in His Son Jesus Christ, That He not only lived but is God incarnated in the flesh, that He came and dwelled among us for a short time to offer His own body as a sacrifice for the redemption of my soul and that he was resurrected and in doing so, I to shall be with him as well. This I
believe as a fact, nothing less and that by saying I
believe does not make it any less so.
How do I know? Because I am a witness to the fact. God is true to His Word. It does not matter what you
believe Ray. Why do you think so many people through the ages BELIEVE in Jesus? And why so many are willing to die than to deny Him. It is because we receive something in the inner man that you can not possibly know or understand unless - until that day when you truly seek God and confront Him with who you truly are, a lost soul seeking redemption.
But your intent is to cast doubt. Where there is faith there can be no doubt. When I say I
believe - I mean just that... I believe without a doubt.
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steve40 wrote:
No, actually God does not!, expect you can do these 10 things. These reveal Gods righteous requirements, from his creation. This is why he sent his Son, to fulfill these for us. And to take the punishment we were due, so we could attain his righteousness by faith in his sacrifice.
On the cross he was made to pay for, and bear all of our Sin, and impute his righteousness to those who believe.
So much more than just being forgiven our sin by the shedding of his blood, we are saved by his life.
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magicray wrote:
Steve, I respect your zealousness. It would, however, in posting such a comment that your greeting would be I believe.... I believe you implied that when you posted. It should be obvious to readers but it comes off as an arrogant statement which might not be the case. This applies to all of us. To come off as knowing something that is not possible to know is, well, silly. Rac and Rix have the same approach. Televangelist's claims that they know make them incredible, to me anyway.
I don't believe in the Christian/Judeo concept of what god is, what happens after we die, etc. but I never claim emphatically that their (your) beliefs are untrue although I believe them to be with some certainty. I don't know, you don't know. I never claim there is no god (supreme being) but that I believe there is not. If theists and non-theists alike admitted that what they believe is just that then much of the ridicule on both sides of the argument could be avoided.
Steve, I respect your zealousness. It would, howev... (
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Steve40 and the others just cannot admit that they don't really know, as they would then fear for the remainder of their lives that they might not get into heaven. Instilled fear is a good weapon and greatly overshadows rationality in the superstitious.
Bangee5 wrote:
I believe that the God of the Jews exist. I believe that He exist so strongly that I put my trust in Him and I worship Him as I would my father. I believe in His Son Jesus Christ, That He not only lived but is God incarnated in the flesh, that He came and dwelled among us for a short time to offer His own body as a sacrifice for the redemption of my soul and that he was resurrected and in doing so, I to shall be with him as well. This I believe as a fact, nothing less and that by saying I believe does not make it any less so.
How do I know? Because I am a witness to the fact. God is true to His Word. It does not matter what you believe Ray. Why do you think so many people through the ages BELIEVE in Jesus? And why so many are willing to die than to deny Him. It is because we receive something in the inner man that you can not possibly know or understand unless - until that day when you truly seek God and confront Him with who you truly are, a lost soul seeking redemption.
But your intent is to cast doubt. Where there is faith there can be no doubt. When I say I believe - I mean just that... I believe without a doubt.
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Bangee, it matters to ME what I believe or don't believe. More people do not believe in Jesus than believe (Worldwide Christian population is 32%).
When is the last time someone chose to die rather than deny Jesus? The martyr story is as ancient as the bible and not relevant in today's world. More people have died throughout history for NOT being Christian. Christians aren't being killed for not denying Jesus, they are being killed by fellow religious zealots because they are considered infidels . If you thought Jesus wanted you to kill non-believers you would do it. The only difference between you and radical Islam is that you haven't been directed by your higher power to kill those who believe otherwise....yet.
My intent is not to cast doubt but to seek the truth. I don't believe that the Bible is the word of any god and you believe it is. Muslims don't believe in the Bible and Jews don't believe in the NT or that Jesus was divine. Christians that threaten non-believers with eternal damnation should take a hard look as to how they express that concept. It is arrogant and sophomoric. We are all familiar with the dogma but you can continue to relentlessly parrot it. If you are trying to show us how pious you are and that you've been saved we get it.
Also, unlike you, I've never worshiped my father or anyone or anything for that matter.
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magicray wrote:
Bangee, it matters to ME what I believe or don't believe. More people do not believe in Jesus than believe (Worldwide Christian population is 32%).
When is the last time someone chose to die rather than deny Jesus? The martyr story is as ancient as the bible and not relevant in today's world. More people have died throughout history for NOT being Christian. Christians aren't being killed for not denying Jesus, they are being killed by fellow religious zealots because they are considered infidels . If you thought Jesus wanted you to kill non-believers you would do it. The only difference between you and radical Islam is that you haven't been directed by your higher power to kill those who believe otherwise....yet.
My intent is not to cast doubt but to seek the truth. I don't believe that the Bible is the word of any god and you believe it is. Muslims don't believe in the Bible and Jews don't believe in the NT or that Jesus was divine. Christians that threaten non-believers with eternal damnation should take a hard look as to how they express that concept. It is arrogant and sophomoric. We are all familiar with the dogma but you can continue to relentlessly parrot it. If you are trying to show us how pious you are and that you've been saved we get it.
Also, unlike you, I've never worshiped my father or anyone or anything for that matter.
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"God determines the number of Christians in the world - not you" (your words Bangee). That statement is just absolutely asinine.
Why then does God not make all of us Christian, if he determines the numbers of Christians in the world? Just plain asinine.
MajicRay knows what he is talking about. Your words, as usual, are just gibberish.
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James Shaw wrote:
"God determines the number of Christians in the world - not you" (your words Bangee). That statement is just absolutely asinine.
Why then does God not make all of us Christian, if he determines the numbers of Christians in the world? Just plain asinine.
MajicRay knows what he is talking about. Your words, as usual, are just gibberish.
Pepper, once again, uses a cartoon in an attempt to make others think he is clever and intelligent. Poor Pepper.
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